Magic, Blue Diamond, Pre Flag chalk..

[jrt30004]

Chalk is almost always provided wherever you play. Even in hole in the wall bars there is usually a box sitting somewhere. Where I play regularly there are two pieces in the tray that holds the balls and of course occasionally on the tables themselves. I also find chalk in my cue bag and so does everyone else who is serious about their game. Thanks for cleaning up your hateful rhetoric, I thought for a moment there you were going to apologize. Lets make a deal here!!! I'll stop posting about free chalk and you stop posting about where is all the free chalk! Come on, let's shake on it!

how bout i just shake my head at what a nit you are. because just like i thought and said in my first post, your stealing it from the places you play in. that chalk isn't free for them and it's not for your cheap ass to steal. so you went from saying i made assumptions - to proving exactly what i was saying was true.

 

[pwd72s]

Gotta confess that all the hype prompted me to get some pre flag master...darned if I can tell any difference between it and today's Master...

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

Most Pool Supplies Houses sell, Master, Triangle, Silver Cup, Blue Diamond, Magic, National, some in color that make me wonder, and if you head over to Wall-World you got Wally World Blue.

People all have their favorite brands, be they bad or be they good. Give me Master GREEN.

 

[Scott Lee]

pwd72s...That's 'cause there isn't any difference, according to the owner of the company (Skip Nemencek/Tweeten Fiber). He put the flag on the Master chalk after the 9/11 tragedy, just to be patriotic.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Gotta confess that all the hype prompted me to get some pre flag master...darned if I can tell any difference between it and today's Master...

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

pwd72s...That's 'cause there isn't any difference, according to the owner of the company (Skip Nemencek/Tweeten Fiber). He put the flag on the Master chalk after the 9/11 tragedy, just to be patriotic.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Why did you spill the beans?

 

[spktur]

Mr. Wiggles:

Aha! So you get your free chalk where I get mine! "Hole in the wall" -- specifically sheetrock -- is a great way to chalk your tip, albeit the chalk is white. I like to practice my punch-stroke this way, to get the chalk "started" (i.e. to get past the sheetrock's paper layer, into the white chalk). Then, when you need to chalk, just insert your tip into the hole in the wall, and chalk away. The problem is, the proprietor of the establishment usually doesn't like you making holes in his sheetrock walls, and will get you thrown out of the establishment. Best to do this in the restroom (equals many trips to the restroom -- your opponent will either look at you funny or else be totally sharked that you have to go to the restroom just prior to every shot).



J/K!
-Sean

Sorry but sheetrock is gypsum a different mineral from calcite which chalk is a form of.

 

[beerpressure]

how bout i just shake my head at what a nit you are. because just like i thought and said in my first post, your stealing it from the places you play in. that chalk isn't free for them and it's not for your cheap ass to steal. so you went from saying i made assumptions - to proving exactly what i was saying was true.

When I read his post I figured he was using the chalk, not taking it home with him. This forum really has some crazy arguments. I've often gone to places with my own cue and there are cubes of chalk on the tray of balls. I used the chalk and returned it with the balls. Free chalk, but i didnt take it home with me.

 

[junkbond]

I am fascinated with using these high grade chalks even if it is just in my head. I heard one time that the type of materials in these chalks are potentially dangerous to your health, does anyone have any wisdom to this?

From an old thread:

I ran across this post* which mentions lead in billiards chalk. The date on the web page is November 2003, but it doesn't mention the date of manufacture for the chalk. I have been unable to find the original study.

The Arizona Department of Health Services has warned that at least two brands of green pool-cue chalk available in Arizona - Master and Pioneer - have been found to contain dangerously high levels of lead. Although infants and children are at greatest risk, chronic lead exposure can cause swelling of brain tissue, fatigue, headaches, irritability and kidney effects. Large exposures can even result in death. The ADHS, in coordination with Samaritan Regional Poison Center, tested 18 brands of billiard chalk at a laboratory in Golden, Colo. after pool cue chalk was found to have played a role in the lead poisoning of a two-year-old Phoenix boy. Master green chalk, made in Chicago, tested as high as 8,000 parts per million of lead, and Pioneer green chalk, made in Taipei, Taiwan, exceeded 7,000 ppm. By comparison, lead-based paint, which was discontinued for use in housing in 1978, has a standard lead content of 5,000 ppm. Cheryl Carpenter, a certified poison information specialist, said 40 micrograms per deciliter of blood is considered a toxic level of lead for an adult. That is twice the toxic level for children. Carpenter said the danger for adults is not substantial and is not an issue for an adult who plays pool occasionally. "I'd be concerned about (people who manufacture the chalk), or pool hall employees dealing with it constantly," she said. Other brands tested in the Samaritan study were found to contain either no lead or very insignificant traces of lead. Those include Imperial and National Tournament brands of green chalk, Superior, Triangle and National Tournament brands of orange chalk and all brands of blue chalk tested.

*the web page is no longer available.

 

[tshughes]

From an old thread:

I ran across this post* which mentions lead in billiards chalk. The date on the web page is November 2003, but it doesn't mention the date of manufacture for the chalk. I have been unable to find the original study.



*the web page is no longer available.

Another study of this can be found at http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/97/6/916
It is an old article and they may have changed their formulas by now or it could be just what they thought caused lead exposure.
It states the following:

PEDIATRICS Vol. 97 No. 6 June 1996, pp. 916-917
Pool Cue Chalk: A Source of Environmental Lead
Mary Beth Miller DO1, Steven C. Curry MD1, Donald B. Kunkel MD2, Patricia Arreola MS2, Ernest Arvizu BS3, Kristina Schaller BS3, , Dennis Salmen RS4

1 Department of Medical Toxicology, Good Samaritan Regional Medical Center, Phoenix, AZ 85006
2 Department of Medical Toxicology Good Samaritan Regional Medical Center Phoenix, AZ 85006
3 Arizona Department of Health Services, Office of Environmental Health, Phoeni, AZ 85015
4 Mecklenburg County Health Department, Environmental Health Division, Charlotte, NC 28202

Lead compounds are used as coloring agents for numerous products. Two cases of children with elevated blood lead concentrations encountered by the authors suggested that pool cue chalk may serve as a source of environmental lead. The objective of this study was to determine lead content of various brands and colors of pool cue chalk. Atomic absorption analyses were conducted of 23 different types of pool cue chalk for lead content. Three of 23 types of pool cue chalk contained more than 7000 ppm (mg/kg) lead: one manufacturer's green and tangerine chalk and another manufacturer's green chalk. It was concluded that some brands of pool cue chalk contain relatively large amounts of lead and could contribute to childhood lead poisoning.
Submitted on December 4, 1995
Accepted on January 25, 1996

 

[Rod]

I live in Phx and owned a pool room until early 2000. Sometime around 1999 I received a letter from the health dept. It come with similar or the same info as posted. It come with a poster that said please don't eat the chalk. We had to post that in the pool room.

I'm not real clear on dates but I posted the info at CCB and kept a copy of my source for a few years. It has since been deleted. Masters then was about 10 bucks for a gross. I still have several pieces of the old pre-flag stuff.

Something that I noticed shortly after that notice was the darker green masters changed to a much lighter green. When I say shortly it was within a year or so as I recall. Maybe masters changed the dye or maybe something else -- like take lead out. Either way, one sure way is to test lead content in the old stuff. Personally I don't really care at this point but it definitely got lighter after the health dept got involved.

Rod

 

[Baxter]

Well, apparently only the green Master's tested for lead, and blue didn't.

I find it kind of funny that is exactly what Coco said he preferred, Green Master's. lol

 

[bearsafety]

Another study of this can be found at http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/97/6/916
It is an old article and they may have changed their formulas by now.
It states the following:

PEDIATRICS Vol. 97 No. 6 June 1996, pp. 916-917
Pool Cue Chalk: A Source of Environmental Lead
Mary Beth Miller DO1, Steven C. Curry MD1, Donald B. Kunkel MD2, Patricia Arreola MS2, Ernest Arvizu BS3, Kristina Schaller BS3, , Dennis Salmen RS4

1 Department of Medical Toxicology, Good Samaritan Regional Medical Center, Phoenix, AZ 85006
2 Department of Medical Toxicology Good Samaritan Regional Medical Center Phoenix, AZ 85006
3 Arizona Department of Health Services, Office of Environmental Health, Phoeni, AZ 85015
4 Mecklenburg County Health Department, Environmental Health Division, Charlotte, NC 28202

Lead compounds are used as coloring agents for numerous products. Two cases of children with elevated blood lead concentrations encountered by the authors suggested that pool cue chalk may serve as a source of environmental lead. The objective of this study was to determine lead content of various brands and colors of pool cue chalk. Atomic absorption analyses were conducted of 23 different types of pool cue chalk for lead content. Three of 23 types of pool cue chalk contained more than 7000 ppm (mg/kg) lead: one manufacturer's green and tangerine chalk and another manufacturer's green chalk. It was concluded that some brands of pool cue chalk contain relatively large amounts of lead and could contribute to childhood lead poisoning.
Submitted on December 4, 1995
Accepted on January 25, 1996

Thats crazy, So it seems the high lead is better for tips but worse for health. Im sure the newer stuff is lead free wouldnt it be? and if so would Blue Diamond and Magic Chalk have made the lead free change

 

[tshughes]

Thats crazy, So it seems the high lead is better for tips but worse for health. Im sure the newer stuff is lead free wouldnt it be? and if so would Blue Diamond and Magic Chalk have made the lead free change

I would imagine most of them have changed to lead free formulas by now. I could be wrong however. Its hard to find information that is current on the topic. I do however think the exposure to lead through the chalk is minimal. In other words I highly doubt even if it contained a good amount, that casual playing would hinder your health.

I would imagine that the workers in those factories making the chalk would be exposed to more harmful doses of it through the dusting of the product. So as long as you do not eat it, I highly doubt chalking your cue or brushing your table is going to bother you. Then again just my opinion I am no doctor. I just figure it this way, my cigs will get me long before my chalk does....lol

 

[bearsafety]

I contacted Blue Diamond and they gave me a run around... But I contacted Master about Pre-Flag and post flag chalk..

"I'm very interested to know where you heard that there are "high amounts of lead" in Master Chalk?

There are no hazardous or dangerous materials in any of our brands of chalk. Chalk is an organic product!

Again I am very curious to find out where you heard this from so that I may investigate this. I have heard that some of the counterfeit product from China has some suspicions and we are prepared to take legal action if any counterfeit product has reached the shores of North America.

Sincerely,
Tweeten Fibre Co., Inc.

Skip Nemecek,
President "

 

[SLIM]

You are going down a slipery slope.

i contacted blue diamond and they gave me a run around... But i contacted master about pre-flag and post flag chalk..

"i'm very interested to know where you heard that there are "high amounts of lead" in master chalk?

There are no hazardous or dangerous materials in any of our brands of chalk. Chalk is an organic product!

Again i am very curious to find out where you heard this from so that i may investigate this. I have heard that some of the counterfeit product from china has some suspicions and we are prepared to take legal action if any counterfeit product has reached the shores of north america.

Sincerely,
tweeten fibre co., inc.

Skip nemecek,
president "

there are guys on this forum who know way more about chalk than the manufacturers do.

One guy can even date the chalk by the depth of the divot put in it by the manufacturer.

If you really want some wacky input visit fast larry at his website.

Good luck in your quest,

SLIM

 

[sfleinen]

Sorry but sheetrock is gypsum a different mineral from calcite which chalk is a form of.

Hmm.... someone needs to take their humor reinforcement supplements. Per chance, you wouldn't happen to play the character "Data" in Star Trek: The Next Generation, would you?

-Sean

 

[KRJ]

Hmmmm

pwd72s...That's 'cause there isn't any difference, according to the owner of the company (Skip Nemencek/Tweeten Fiber). He put the flag on the Master chalk after the 9/11 tragedy, just to be patriotic.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

WOW... and all these players "needing" the pre-flag stuff. I didn't even know what the heck the pre-flag stuff was, but apparently neither did they... thanks for the inside scoop. The way some of these players "preferred" the pre-flag, maybe the company could of captialized and charged few more pennies for it...

 

[TX Poolnut]

I contacted Blue Diamond and they gave me a run around... But I contacted Master about Pre-Flag and post flag chalk..

"I'm very interested to know where you heard that there are "high amounts of lead" in Master Chalk?

There are no hazardous or dangerous materials in any of our brands of chalk. Chalk is an organic product!

Again I am very curious to find out where you heard this from so that I may investigate this. I have heard that some of the counterfeit product from China has some suspicions and we are prepared to take legal action if any counterfeit product has reached the shores of North America.

Sincerely,
Tweeten Fibre Co., Inc.

Skip Nemecek,
President "

Organic doesn't automatically mean something isn't "hazardous or dangerous." Snake venom is organic.

 

[sfleinen]

Organic doesn't automatically mean something isn't "hazardous or dangerous." Snake venom is organic.

Good point. And so is Ricin.

-Sean

 

[bearsafety]

there are guys on this forum who know way more about chalk than the manufacturers do.

One guy can even date the chalk by the depth of the divot put in it by the manufacturer.

If you really want some wacky input visit fast larry at his website.

Good luck in your quest,

SLIM

I would if i didnt have to register with a phone number.