Aiming at "Center Pocket"

[champ2107]

You only actually need to know WHAT pocket is the target. If you dont know the cte/pro1 shot selection well or if its one of those in between shots or a shot that needs an adjustment, then you would use the pocket to help in your aiming. I bottom lined this thread.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

WTF challenge are you trying to accept? The existence of friggin geometry and trigonometry?

You don't need to see the pocket to know exactly where it is. It is simple freaking math involving right angle triangles to determine the angle an object ball needs to travel to go straight into the pocket. I mean, grade 10, sin, cos, tan, A^2+B^2=C^2. Real tough stuff, and you guys actually screwed around making a video and think you proved something that the Greek people over 2000 years ago would have said "well, yeah, duhhh..." to you over? Once you have the angle to the pocket the contact point is exactly opposite that line towards the pocket, there is really nothing else you need to know.

Who cares if you cannot see the pocket? If you know the exact size of the table you know where the pocket is relative to a long rail and a short rail that is ALL I need to know and finding out the exact angle into any pocket on the table is then trivial math.

But with all of this, yes you actually need to KNOW where the pocket is to shoot the shot. You might not see it, but the spatial relations to know where the pocket is still exist.

Since you and the Greeks have this mastered, you can join into whatever test PJ comes up with too.

 

[champ2107]

Since you and the Greeks have this mastered, you can join into whatever test PJ comes up with too.

This will not happen, he can not lead in this debate and he can only follow it and pick and choose at what he wants to post or he will expose his cte ignorance

 

[Mikjary]

Pockets don't move. Basketball rims move...what planet am I on? Dude...I'm about to flip out.

Don't flip out. Understand, the ultimate goal is to discredit Cte and everything associated with it. It is being accepted by many infidels and the status quo in some pool circles is worried. If it was noticed that Cte users were using a certain cue, chalk or tip on their sticks, it would be attacked as garbage. You have stepped into the war zone, that's all. And this is one of the battlefields.

If you figure out how to walk on water, don't post it here. You'll have lots of splainin' ta do. :grin-square:

Best,
Mike

 

[12310bch]

I worked on this all night. It proves that the original question is
nonsensical and proves everybody posting heretofore is either right or wrong (depending on whose ox is getting gored). This is the ultimate solution and I run this through my mind before every shot.


A_{n+1} = \frac{4}{3} A_0 + \sum_{k=2}^n \frac{3 \cdot 4^{k-1}}{9^k} A_0 = (\frac{4}{3} + \frac{1}{3} \sum_{k=2}^n 3\frac{3 \cdot 4^{k-1}}{9^k}) A_0 =(\frac{4}{3} + \frac{1}{3} \sum_{k=2}^n \frac{9 \cdot 4^{k-1}}{9^k}) A_0 = \left (\frac{4}{3} + \frac{1}{3} \sum_{k=1}^n \frac{4^{k}}{9^k} \right ) A_0 \, .

In the limit, as n goes to infinity, the limit of the sum of the powers of 4/9 is 4/5, so

\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} A_n = \left( \frac{4}{3} + \frac{1}{3} \cdot \frac{4}{5} \right ) A_0 = \frac{8}{5} A_0 \, .

TRAMP STEAMER verified the math for me.

I also might add that this thread is no longer about pool and should go to the NPR section.

 

[Mikjary]

I worked on this all night. It proves that the original question is
nonsensical and proves everybody posting heretofore is either right or wrong (depending on whose ox is getting gored). This is the ultimate solution and I run this through my mind before every shot.


A_{n+1} = \frac{4}{3} A_0 + \sum_{k=2}^n \frac{3 \cdot 4^{k-1}}{9^k} A_0 = (\frac{4}{3} + \frac{1}{3} \sum_{k=2}^n 3\frac{3 \cdot 4^{k-1}}{9^k}) A_0 =(\frac{4}{3} + \frac{1}{3} \sum_{k=2}^n \frac{9 \cdot 4^{k-1}}{9^k}) A_0 = \left (\frac{4}{3} + \frac{1}{3} \sum_{k=1}^n \frac{4^{k}}{9^k} \right ) A_0 \, .

In the limit, as n goes to infinity, the limit of the sum of the powers of 4/9 is 4/5, so

\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} A_n = \left( \frac{4}{3} + \frac{1}{3} \cdot \frac{4}{5} \right ) A_0 = \frac{8}{5} A_0 \, .

TRAMP STEAMER verified the math for me.

I also might add that this thread is no longer about pool and should go to the NPR section.

Nonsense! The problem is that you've used all POSITIVE values. In a thread like this, anybody with any kind of a logical thought process knows that you should be using NEGATIVE values! Get with the program and quit being so damn happy!

Best,
Mike

 

[Celtic]

Since you and the Greeks have this mastered, you can join into whatever test PJ comes up with too.

What test? Do you need me to show you the simple math that determines the angle to the corner of a rectangle on any placement of a point into that rectangular plane? Are you seriously trying to act like the math does not exist to work this out?

Do you want to bet that a person cannot work out the angle to any corner of a rectagular plane given the perpendicular distances from any point within that plane to the sides of that rectangle? Is that what you want to bet against? Because that is what I said is trivial, and you seem to act like you invented something that is magical, when it is simple math.

 

[12310bch]

Nonsense! The problem is that you've used all POSITIVE values. In a thread like this, anybody with any kind of a logical thought process knows that you should be using NEGATIVE values! Get with the program and quit being so damn happy!

Best,
Mike

Mike you know the old wisdom that 2 negatives = a positive. Well I hereby proclaim that 2 positives = a negative. So you may substitute that, as you wish, into the algorithm. :rotflmao1: Peace, Bro .

 

[SpiderWebComm]

What test? Do you need me to show you the simple math that determines the angle to the corner of a rectangle on any placement of a point into that rectangular plane? Are you seriously trying to act like the math does not exist to work this out?

Do you want to bet that a person cannot work out the angle to any corner of a rectagular plane given the perpendicular distances from any point within that plane to the sides of that rectangle? Is that what you want to bet against? Because that is what I said is trivial, and you seem to act like you invented something that is magical, when it is simple math.

If it's simple math--- let's see you post a video of making blind shots to any pocket. Triangles aren't going to help you much. Sorry.

Here's my pythagorean theorem: Celtic^2 + BlindShots^2 = LookingStupid^2

 

[Robert Raiford]

I worked on this all night. It proves that the original question is
nonsensical and proves everybody posting heretofore is either right or wrong (depending on whose ox is getting gored). This is the ultimate solution and I run this through my mind before every shot.


A_{n+1} = \frac{4}{3} A_0 + \sum_{k=2}^n \frac{3 \cdot 4^{k-1}}{9^k} A_0 = (\frac{4}{3} + \frac{1}{3} \sum_{k=2}^n 3\frac{3 \cdot 4^{k-1}}{9^k}) A_0 =(\frac{4}{3} + \frac{1}{3} \sum_{k=2}^n \frac{9 \cdot 4^{k-1}}{9^k}) A_0 = \left (\frac{4}{3} + \frac{1}{3} \sum_{k=1}^n \frac{4^{k}}{9^k} \right ) A_0 \, .

In the limit, as n goes to infinity, the limit of the sum of the powers of 4/9 is 4/5, so

\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} A_n = \left( \frac{4}{3} + \frac{1}{3} \cdot \frac{4}{5} \right ) A_0 = \frac{8}{5} A_0 \, .

LOL. Just for fun, I plugged in the LaTeX code you posted into an online image renderer and attached the results.

Robert

 

[ThePoliteSniper]

Finally something that makes sense.

 

[lfigueroa]

Dude, you know everything. I forgot to mention banking as well (since you battled with Freddy the Beard on the one pocket forum about his technique and the use of side spin).

Maybe I'm an overgrown frat boy --- but at least I never got perma-banned from a pool room for being a know it all big-mouth. hahaha

Now THAT'S funny..... here, here's a little winky for you too:

;-)

Hey Lou, when you get some time, we're all interested in learning more about String Theory and maybe even M-Theory's impact on getting closer to a unified theory. I was going to ask Steven Hawking, but why bother since we have you on staff.

Yes, but I think you got banned -- from here -- for the same offense. Besides, the place was a pit. I have moved on to much cleaner and better pastures

By the way, Freddy, though we've battle back and forth over the years, not so much over spin but "wrist induced" OB spin, was kind enough to nominate me a couple of weeks ago to be the onepocket.org sponsored player for the US Open 1Pocket Open in Vegas. I declined because I felt I hadn't been participating enough there as of late and I thought someone else could use the financial support more than me. So, though Freddy and I have disagreed, there has been a modicum of mutual respect.

But you... other than CTE-induced diarrhea of the mouth, what are you known for in pool? I mean, what have you done, or do? See, when I think of a player like say, Joey, even though we poke each other in the eye a lot, I know he is an accomplished player. And IMO, he is entitled to say what he says because of that. But you: all I know is that you have a table in your house and like to make funny videos of yourself and cartoons mocking other people.

So what have you done? I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but you like to mock me, which is fine, but what have you done in pool? And to be perfectly clear: this isn't about who can beat who, either. I'm just trying to figure out what your pool bona fides are.

Do you get out of your house ever and mix it up gambling in town? Across the country? Do you play in tournaments like the DCC, any of the Opens, maybe regional events or tours? Play pro players occasionally? Bar leagues? What? Any titles?

Or do you just like to run your mouth?

Lou Figueroa
oh, sorry... wrong thread

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Yes, but I think you got banned -- from here -- for the same offense. Besides, the place was a pit. I have moved on to much cleaner and better pastures

By the way, Freddy, though we've battle back and forth over the years, not so much over spin but "wrist induced" OB spin, was kind enough to nominate me a couple of weeks ago to be the onepocket.org sponsored player for the US Open 1Pocket Open in Vegas. I declined because I felt I hadn't been participating enough there as of late and I thought someone else could use the financial support more than me. So, though Freddy and I have disagreed, there has been a modicum of mutual respect.

But you... other than CTE-induced diarrhea of the mouth, what are you known for in pool? I mean, what have you done, or do? See, when I think of a player like say, Joey, even though we poke each other in the eye a lot, I know he is an accomplished player. And IMO, he is entitled to say what he says because of that. But you: all I know is that you have a table in your house and like to make funny videos of yourself and cartoons mocking other people.

So what have you done? I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but you like to mock me, which is fine, but what have you done in pool? And to be perfectly clear: this isn't about who can beat who, either. I'm just trying to figure out what your pool bona fides are.

Do you get out of your house ever and mix it up gambling in town? Across the country? Do you play in tournaments like the DCC, any of the Opens, maybe regional events or tours? Play pro players occasionally? Bar leagues? What? Any titles?

Or do you just like to run your mouth?

Lou Figueroa
oh, sorry... wrong thread

That "pit" was your every day hang-out until they got the shits of you and barred you from coming back. What are your pool "bona fides" outside of a bunch of 30th and 50th places in your player profile? You're probably a 1st place nit head.

 

[Celtic]

If it's simple math--- let's see you post a video of making blind shots to any pocket. Triangles aren't going to help you much. Sorry.

The fact that you think it being a blind pocket means you don't know where the pocket is makes SpiderWebComm look stupid actually. Blind pocket /= not knowing where the pocket is, thus your answer for this poll and whole arguement are idiotic.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

The fact that you think it being a blind pocket means you don't know where the pocket is makes SpiderWebComm look stupid actually. Blind pocket /= not knowing where the pocket is, thus your answer for this poll and whole arguement are idiotic.

Let's meet--- throw a bed sheet over the entire table--- and we'll see who makes more balls. Then, we'll see who's idiotic.

 

[Roger Long]

That "pit" was your every day hang-out until they got the shits of you and barred you from coming back. What are your pool "bona fides" outside of a bunch of 30th and 50th places in your player profile? You're probably a 1st place nit head.

I dunno, I went to Lou's profile and saw some 16th, 18th, and 20th place finishes in big fields that featured many of the best one-pocket players in the world. Seems pretty good to me. Do we have any other participants in this thread with better performances than that? Just curious.

Roger

 

[Nick B]

Easy Junior...you want no part of this Greek.

Nick

This will not happen, he can not lead in this debate and he can only follow it and pick and choose at what he wants to post or he will expose his cte ignorance

 

[lfigueroa]

That "pit" was your every day hang-out until they got the shits of you and barred you from coming back. What are your pool "bona fides" outside of a bunch of 30th and 50th places in your player profile? You're probably a 1st place nit head.

I played there out of loyalty to the man who ran the place because he treated me very well on several cue purchases. He died, the place went downhill, and I continued to play there out of loyalty. The issue of their tables playing like crap came up and one of the kids running the place took umbrage and told Mom (literally) it was him or me. Guess who lost, but I don't miss the place.

So, I see from the rest of your answer that you've got nothing. Just to be clear again: I wasn't asking for high finishes, I asked if you even played in any tournaments or had any other pool credentials. Let's look at the questions again:

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But you... other than CTE-induced diarrhea of the mouth, what are you known for in pool? I mean, what have you done, or do? See, when I think of a player like say, Joey, even though we poke each other in the eye a lot, I know he is an accomplished player. And IMO, he is entitled to say what he says because of that. But you: all I know is that you have a table in your house and like to make funny videos of yourself and cartoons mocking other people.

So what have you done? I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but you like to mock me, which is fine, but what have you done in pool? And to be perfectly clear: this isn't about who can beat who, either. I'm just trying to figure out what your pool bona fides are.

Do you get out of your house ever and mix it up gambling in town? Across the country? Do you play in tournaments like the DCC, any of the Opens, maybe regional events or tours? Play pro players occasionally? Bar leagues? What? Any titles?

Or do you just like to run your mouth?
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Judging from your knowledge about me, I will guess that you already know I've been to quite a few DCCs and as Roger has pointed out, cashed in several. I've played in a half dozen or so US 1Pocket Opens. I play in tournaments here, Chicago, and KC. I think you know I won a qualifier for the World 14.1 Championship a year ago up in Chicago. (I give Bob's 14.1 Challenge a whirl most years but have only managed a 42, though I've run 100 over half a dozen times with a high run of 124.) I've played a World Champion in an exhibition match and acquitted myself well (running 48). I won a state 8ball championship many years ago and here in MO have finished 4th and 5th a couple of years in the state tournament. Way back, I won the USAF 14. European championship. I've played and beaten several pros in tournament play, including a US Open champion (Larry Nevel), and lost to guys like Efren, Buddy, Cliff, Frost, et al. I gamble at the game regularly and have had established games with a number of players in St. Louis for anywhere between $25 - $300. I've won several 1pocket tournaments in St. Louis. I try and travel to other major events and have been to the Mosconi Cup in Vegas a couple of times, the US 14.1 Open in NYC, and the SBE in Philly. I was invited by Mark Griffin last year to write daily reports for AZ Billiards from the US 10Ball Open event in Vegas. As previously noted, I was nominated to be the onepocket.org sponsored player this year to the US 1Pocket Open, but declined. (I am, though, organizing a dinner the night before the Open for the guys from the group at the hotel steakhouse.) I have been fortunate enough that, in my travels the last few years, I've played in a dozen rooms all over the country from LA to NYC. Going back maybe 15 years to RSB, I've written on pool instruction, trip reports, original stories, product reviews, shot layouts, and stuff like that.

I know that's not much of a resume, but I try.

So the question is....

Lou Figueroa

 

[SpiderWebComm]

I played there out of loyalty to the man who ran the place because he treated me very well on several cue purchases. He died, the place went downhill, and I continued to play there out of loyalty. The issue of their tables playing like crap came up and one of the kids running the place took umbrage and told Mom (literally) it was him or me. Guess who lost, but I don't miss the place.

So, I see from the rest of your answer that you've got nothing. Just to be clear again: I wasn't asking for high finishes, I asked if you even played in any tournaments or had any other pool credentials. Let's look at the questions again:

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But you... other than CTE-induced diarrhea of the mouth, what are you known for in pool? I mean, what have you done, or do? See, when I think of a player like say, Joey, even though we poke each other in the eye a lot, I know he is an accomplished player. And IMO, he is entitled to say what he says because of that. But you: all I know is that you have a table in your house and like to make funny videos of yourself and cartoons mocking other people.

So what have you done? I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but you like to mock me, which is fine, but what have you done in pool? And to be perfectly clear: this isn't about who can beat who, either. I'm just trying to figure out what your pool bona fides are.

Do you get out of your house ever and mix it up gambling in town? Across the country? Do you play in tournaments like the DCC, any of the Opens, maybe regional events or tours? Play pro players occasionally? Bar leagues? What? Any titles?

Or do you just like to run your mouth?
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Judging from your knowledge about me, I will guess that you already know I've been to quite a few DCCs and as Roger has pointed out, cashed in several. I've played in a half dozen or so US 1Pocket Opens. I play in tournaments here, Chicago, and KC. I think you know I won a qualifier for the World 14.1 Championship a year ago up in Chicago. (I give Bob's 14.1 Challenge a whirl most years but have only managed a 42, though I've run 100 over half a dozen times with a high run of 124.) I've played a World Champion in an exhibition match and acquitted myself well (running 48). I won a state 8ball championship many years ago and here in MO have finished 4th and 5th a couple of years in the state tournament. Way back, I won the USAF 14. European championship. I've played and beaten several pros in tournament play, including a US Open champion (Larry Nevel), and lost to guys like Efren, Buddy, Cliff, Frost, et al. I gamble at the game regularly and have had established games with a number of players in St. Louis for anywhere between $25 - $300. I've won several 1pocket tournaments in St. Louis. I try and travel to other major events and have been to the Mosconi Cup in Vegas a couple of times, the US 14.1 Open in NYC, and the SBE in Philly. I was invited by Mark Griffin last year to write daily reports for AZ Billiards from the US 10Ball Open event in Vegas. As previously noted, I was nominated to be the onepocket.org sponsored player this year to the US 1Pocket Open, but declined. (I am, though, organizing a dinner the night before the Open for the guys from the group at the hotel steakhouse.) I have been fortunate enough that, in my travels the last few years, I've played in a dozen rooms all over the country from LA to NYC. Going back maybe 15 years to RSB, I've written on pool instruction, trip reports, original stories, product reviews, shot layouts, and stuff like that.

I know that's not much of a resume, but I try.

So the question is....

Lou Figueroa

Wow... you're gooooood. Like I told you a few times via PM.... if you run into me, don't be shy to try to make a game Mr. Player.

 

[champ2107]

Easy Junior...you want no part of this Greek.

Nick

Relax son...did you get your ass handed to you again in toronto at shooters?