USPPA Reno players, did they get paid?
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That was Harry Platis that he referred me to in Washington, he really did not want to get involved unless he could sue the Peppermill for a million bucks.
He said that the Peppermill got the full benefit of having all the players stay at their hotel and gamble in their casino and they should have made sure that the money for the tournament was posted, he is about getting PAID, not helping out a fellow pool player.
I talked with him twice. He said he was going to check into Nevada Law, but he did not get back to me.
It would cost too much for him to fly down multiple times to court for this judgement to make it cost effective for him and his firm to take the case. That is why I was asking if anyone knew a Local Lawyer who happens to be a fan of pool.
He said that the Peppermill got the full benefit of having all the players stay at their hotel and gamble in their casino and they should have made sure that the money for the tournament was posted, he is about getting PAID, not helping out a fellow pool player.
I talked with him twice. He said he was going to check into Nevada Law, but he did not get back to me.
It would cost too much for him to fly down multiple times to court for this judgement to make it cost effective for him and his firm to take the case. That is why I was asking if anyone knew a Local Lawyer who happens to be a fan of pool.
Sac. TV
Hey Jeff,
Perhaps giving a call to the news that ran the story for you and see if they have a legal Dept. or if they want to bridge the gap and talk him into paying you! I am sure he does not like his face all over Sac. and Faifield.
I will ask around here to see if I can drum up a lawer. Our DA is now a judge so he can not help.
Good luck to you and all of the players out there.
Hey Jeff,
Perhaps giving a call to the news that ran the story for you and see if they have a legal Dept. or if they want to bridge the gap and talk him into paying you! I am sure he does not like his face all over Sac. and Faifield.
I will ask around here to see if I can drum up a lawer. Our DA is now a judge so he can not help.
Good luck to you and all of the players out there.
kybill9
Banned
No Jeff, I offered you an attorney I use in San Jose. When I went to Seattle and talked to Harry, that was a different avenue.
Annigoni
It is my understanding that the best way to litigate is to use an attorney that is familiar with the court of jurisdiction, in other words, an attorney that practices law in Washoe county. It will be less costly because you won't have the travel fees and the attorney would be familiar with the judges in that court.
The down side is, an attorney there may be reluctant to take on the Peppermill. I think Harry has a point, if you're going to go into litigation, it doesn't make much sense to litigate against someone that has no money. The Peppermill may have some culpability for this. It would seem that they have some responsibility that anyone putting on something like what Tony put on should have the funds to pay off all the players.
It is my understanding that the best way to litigate is to use an attorney that is familiar with the court of jurisdiction, in other words, an attorney that practices law in Washoe county. It will be less costly because you won't have the travel fees and the attorney would be familiar with the judges in that court.
The down side is, an attorney there may be reluctant to take on the Peppermill. I think Harry has a point, if you're going to go into litigation, it doesn't make much sense to litigate against someone that has no money. The Peppermill may have some culpability for this. It would seem that they have some responsibility that anyone putting on something like what Tony put on should have the funds to pay off all the players.
Usppa
I am not an atorney - BUT I just do not see the connection between Annigoni not paying and the Peppermill being responsible.
How in the world would Peppermill (or anyone) determine if a promoter of any event can perform?
This type of thinking would paralyze any event ever taking place in a casino.
The responsible is Annigoni - not the Peppermill, not the printer who printed the flyers, and not the internet provider who Annigoni used to promote the event.
Mark Griffin
I am not an atorney - BUT I just do not see the connection between Annigoni not paying and the Peppermill being responsible.
How in the world would Peppermill (or anyone) determine if a promoter of any event can perform?
This type of thinking would paralyze any event ever taking place in a casino.
The responsible is Annigoni - not the Peppermill, not the printer who printed the flyers, and not the internet provider who Annigoni used to promote the event.
Mark Griffin
The location provider for the tournament did not scrutinize enough in who they rent out to. At the least the location should do basic background work to make sure they aren't renting out to an illegitimate company, it happens a lot in banks people want to open accounts but don't have the identification points needed to qualify.
It would be great if the location of tournaments did some background screening this way they don't expose themselves to a potential pyramid salesman. The last I heard about pyramid salesmen were they went underground to basements of religious buildings or community halls, nothing with a professional reputation.
Still this is another case of what happens when the billiards industry is left to operate in "free market" regions.
It would be great if the location of tournaments did some background screening this way they don't expose themselves to a potential pyramid salesman. The last I heard about pyramid salesmen were they went underground to basements of religious buildings or community halls, nothing with a professional reputation.
Still this is another case of what happens when the billiards industry is left to operate in "free market" regions.
I'm not an attorney either. That being said, I would think if I was a CEO of a casino and someone wanted to host a poker game and a pool tournament in my casino, I'd want to see his business plan. I would not want somebody hosting any event in my casino that didn't have a good business plan. After all, if he looks bad, you look bad.
I'm sure there is some responsibility that the Peppermill has in all of this. How much responsibility is the question. Also, the point I was really trying to make is, litigating against a guy that has no money is just a waste of time and money. There is no sense to litigate if there is no money to win.
One part of the equation is the players getting their money of course, but the other part is holding Annigoni accountable. Don't ever let him off the hook. I hope that will never be forgotten or forgiven. Anywhere he goes people should shun him!!
I'm against trying to squeeze the Peppermill. That seems like a bad idea. Maybe they can comp the players a room in the future or something but I would not go after them.
--Jeff
I'm against trying to squeeze the Peppermill. That seems like a bad idea. Maybe they can comp the players a room in the future or something but I would not go after them.
--Jeff
The concern about not involving as many people as possible is suspicious to me as well.
The peppermill won't want a reputation as the casino that rents out to conmen. They might want to play a proactive role and help players out. The players could contact executives at the casino to discuss a situation they feel relates to the Peppermill's reputation as a place for quality gambling. The players might make friends by getting them involved. The casino community is small enough that they might be able to help out in a small way, like a potential blacklist or other friend or even legal assistance about how to proceed because they were the location the theft took place.
Considering the casino as part of the scam is in poor taste but not considering them friendly or helpful is bad policy. They were involved and they might need some direction about how they can play a role now.
probably not
If he's still in this country, it must be awful hard to be Tony these days, trying to avoid people?
If he's still in this country, it must be awful hard to be Tony these days, trying to avoid people?
The last thing I heard was that Tony will not pay any one person anything because it's "not fair" to the other players.:banghead:
Well that is not cool for POOL.
He has not paid me anything of the $5000 he owes me and has not called me like he said he was going to. I heard he has been playing in several Snooker tournaments around the Bay area, I heard he got some money back in one of the tournaments and he paid Jeff Szfransky? some of the money he was owed from Reno.
I also heard he did not show up to play the Snooker tournament at CBC since half the people there he probably owed money too. Still have no answers on what he did with our money. I heard a rumor that he lost it on a football game up in Reno. At this point, I dont know what to believe, just want my $5000 plus interest. It was on Dec 6th that I won this tourney, so it has been 7 months now.........
I also heard he did not show up to play the Snooker tournament at CBC since half the people there he probably owed money too. Still have no answers on what he did with our money. I heard a rumor that he lost it on a football game up in Reno. At this point, I dont know what to believe, just want my $5000 plus interest. It was on Dec 6th that I won this tourney, so it has been 7 months now.........
So are you actively doing anything to get the money aside from hoping Tony pays?
He published a story via the local news media awhile back, it should still be on the thread. (I am feeling lazy to grab the link.)
kybill9
Banned
Jeff, Call Nick Emanual in San Jose when you are here and take his advice whatever it is. If he says go after Peppermill, USPPA owner, two cushion owner, what ever his LEGAL advice will be. Quit f$@&ing around on this thread and get into action, Action Central.
