Tipping Etiquette Question

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geocheren

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There's a weekly local tournament where there's a 10 ball run out challenge prior to the beginning of the tournament. Raffle tickets are sold to raise money for the pot. 10% of the pot for each ball made in the run out, challenge ends when player fouls or misses ball. For the last month the pot grew and grew because of dry breaks or scratching on the break. Everyone had tickets today, but one of the few who didnt buy tickets picked the winning raffle, that way there is no bias. The winning ticket holder breaks, makes a ball in, and continues to make 2 more, takes home over 1K, and offers the ticket picker $100 as a tip, but he refuses by saying "I can't take that, its all you, you broke and made the balls, all I did was choose the ticket, your chances of winning is the same with or without me, keep it." Afterwards people were telling him that he shouldve taken it.

Whats the Etiquette regarding tipping in a situation like this? and was the ticket picker right or wrong in refusing to accept the tip? Is tipping in this situation standard?
 
I think this would fall into the same category as tipping your dealer at the craps or poker table if you've had a good night. It is by no means mandatory, (although etiquette at the tables in vegas would lean towards tipping), and the tipp-ee has every right to refuse it if he feels so inclined.

Personally, I would have taken it, and most likely blown it buying drinks for my teammates.... probably would not have had the best league night....
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I don't know if he is right or wrong here. Obviously he didn't feel right about accepting a tip. I have heard of lottery winners giving the person that sold them the winning ticket a little pie.
I think it was a nice gesture that the winner offered him $100, it was 10%.
There are probably people who wouldn't have did that and kept all of it.
 
deadhead said:
I think this would fall into the same category as tipping your dealer at the craps or poker table if you've had a good night. It is by no means mandatory, (although etiquette at the tables in vegas would lean towards tipping), and the tipp-ee has every right to refuse it if he feels so inclined.
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oh man i hate it when i get on a little run and the dealer looks at me like i should tip him/her. yes, if i were up big i'd give u something but no one gets squat until i'm actually up money. i just hate it when u make a little and they expect u to tip them without realizing or considering that before i won this 500, i lost 800 an hour ago. just cuz i'm on a run now doesnt mean i'm actually up any money. no one gets anything until i am.

but OT, he probably felt 100 was too much of a tip. if the guy gave him 20 bucks he probably woulda taken it. its really up to him if he wants to take it or not. there's no proper answer or etiquette/rule.
 
geocheren said:
Whats the Etiquette regarding tipping in a situation like this? and was the ticket picker right or wrong in refusing to accept the tip? Is tipping in this situation standard?
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The Ticket Picker has a FREE CHOICE to Accept or Decline the TIP if they do not work for the HOUSE. If they work for the House, and the HOUSE SAY NO TIPS they are bound by that rule.

Since 1968 my other half has worked as a NURSE, and in many Places SHE WAS EMPLOYED STAFF WERE NOT ALLOWED TO ACCEPT GIFTS, or TIPS FROM FAMILY MEMBERS.
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
The Ticket Picker has a FREE CHOICE to Accept or Decline the TIP if they do not work for the HOUSE. If they work for the House, and the HOUSE SAY NO TIPS they are bound by that rule.
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Pretty sure he didnt work for the house, he was there to watch the 10 ball challenge and tournament every week and doesnt even play in the tournament often and leaves in the middle of the tournament most of the time.
 
geocheren said:
Pretty sure he didnt work for the house, he was there to watch the 10 ball challenge and tournament every week and doesnt even play in the tournament often and leaves in the middle of the tournament most of the time.
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Maybe the person just love watching Pool being played.:thumbup:
 
CarlB said:
I agree. Both were classy moves and very rare to see.

Carl
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Carl your, right, but years ago, it was the norm. INTEGRITY....
Too bad our society of today is more concerned about ME than us.
The warm and fuzzy society we had during the 60's and 70's has been turned into the marketing gurus of things that get ones attention, but offer NOTHING in return. Nowadays people look at what you got, not who you are, pretty sad.
 
I agree, it was very nice to offer the tip and also very classy to refuse it. I, however, would think offering to buy the guy a couple drinks or buy his table a round of drinks, would of been enough to begin with and would of been easier for the gentleman to accept.
 
PaulieB said:
I agree, it was very nice to offer the tip and also very classy to refuse it. I, however, would think offering to buy the guy a couple drinks or buy his table a round of drinks, would of been enough to begin with and would of been easier for the gentleman to accept.
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Nothin' better than having another good friend in life....
 
I have never understood the mentality of tipping a dealer a % at a casino. But I dont gamble. Its like tipping the counter person % of your winnings at pool. He/ she didnt do anything to make you win at pool. I understand a few bucks for courtesy. But if I win $5000, I am supposed to give the dealer $500 for doing her job? Just weird to me.
 
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cueandcushion said:
I have never understood the mentality of tipping a dealer a % at a casino. But I dont gamble. Its like tipping the counter person % of your winnings at pool. He/ she didnt do anything to make you win at pool. I understand a few bucks for courtesy. But if I win $5000, I am supposed to give the dealer $500 for doing her job? Just weird to me.
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Having spent 14yrs in four different states as a bartender, from San Francisco, to Wisconsin, to New Orleans and Colorado I've found nowadays allot of people have no clue what tipping actually IS.
I've seen people feel ''guilty'' for not tipping, I've seen people having no clue, and of course people that don't feel it's acceptable at any time, I never expect a tip from anyone, but I always treat them as I would like and hope for the best.
Tipping is part of the ''service industry'', and that industry is most often food/beverage (bars and restaurants). Getting a cup of coffee at your local joe place is no different that purchasing a soda at Chipoltes, I don't think this is the place to tip, now if they are making you a high maintenance cup of joe, with certain this and that amounts and have it made special, then tipping comes into play if they are engaging and nice.

Tipping jars show up in too many wrong places and I consider it begging.

Rule of thumb to those that don't know what the heck they are doing, and SURPRISINGLY feel ''guilty'' even when they don't tip in the wrong places.

When I walk in the door to a food/beverage establishment, 15% is the my baseline thinking....and it automatically goes in either direction depending on the.............Service. Servers in most cities get no more than $3 and hour ''survive'' on tips alone, usually your base salary only pays for your taxes, because you have to declare ALL your tips if they are on credit cards and legally up to 8% (unless its changed) on gross sales, regardless if you made ANY tips. This reason alone is why great servers and bartenders make a good living, they give great service, are helpful/engaging and they work hard. Not many are great at this skill, but those that are, do well in life and at work. Those that don't do what's needed to server others properly move on, and that's good for the business (slackers) and those people need to be working in another type of job, plain and simple.

Hope this helps just one person understand how servers think or Should think.
 
I can see why a tip was offered and that it was well-intended but I think it really isn't necessary in that situation and that the person who picked the ticket was right to refuse.
 
Island Drive said:
Having spent 14yrs in four different states as a bartender, from San Francisco, to Wisconsin, to New Orleans and Colorado I've found nowadays allot of people have no clue what tipping actually IS.
I've seen people feel ''guilty'' for not tipping, I've seen people having no clue, and of course people that don't feel it's acceptable at any time, I never expect a tip from anyone, but I always treat them as I would like and hope for the best.
Tipping is part of the ''service industry'', and that industry is most often food/beverage (bars and restaurants). Getting a cup of coffee at your local joe place is no different that purchasing a soda at Chipoltes, I don't think this is the place to tip, now if they are making you a high maintenance cup of joe, with certain this and that amounts and have it made special, then tipping comes into play if they are engaging and nice.

Tipping jars show up in too many wrong places and I consider it begging.

Rule of thumb to those that don't know what the heck they are doing, and SURPRISINGLY feel ''guilty'' even when they don't tip in the wrong places.

When I walk in the door to a food/beverage establishment, 15% is the my baseline thinking....and it automatically goes in either direction depending on the.............Service. Servers in most cities get no more than $3 and hour ''survive'' on tips alone, usually your base salary only pays for your taxes, because you have to declare ALL your tips if they are on credit cards and legally up to 8% (unless its changed) on gross sales, regardless if you made ANY tips. This reason alone is why great servers and bartenders make a good living, they give great service, are helpful/engaging and they work hard. Not many are great at this skill, but those that are, do well in life and at work. Those that don't do what's needed to server others properly move on, and that's good for the business (slackers) and those people need to be working in another type of job, plain and simple.

Hope this helps just one person understand how servers think or Should think.
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I can't agree enough, TRUE SERVICE, seems to be a thing of bygone eras. I grew up in the service industry, and have over 25 years experience in the restaurant trades, both BOH, and FOH. It seems to me that servers in moderately priced establishments have no concept of what "service" means, or how to provide it, feeling instead a sort of "entitlement" to my tipping money. The bare fact is that I am not responsible to pay your salary, instead American custom dictates that I give you a "tip" (defined as an extra amount given to acknowledge exemplary performance), if I feel it is warranted. I WILL NOT give you a tip you didn't earn. in fact, I will leave a 1 or 2 penny tip if service is bad enough to require me to notify you of the extent that you failed. (leaving no tip just looks like ignorance, whereas an excessively small tip conveys the message that I know what I am doing, and you should try to figure out why I did it--no, I will NEVER complain to your manager and try to get you fired, unless the situation is truly extreme, and it is warranted).
On the other hand, if the service is up to par, or above I have absolutely no problem tipping obscene percentages. Once I was eating lunch in a Mexican restaurant and they put beef all over my vegetarian food, (one of my most common grievances while eating out), and when I called it to there attention, and highlighted my need to get back to work in a timely manner, they not only remade my food in a matter of minutes, but took 50% off the already deeply discounted lunch special price, and gave me a coupon for another meal, all without my asking for anything except to get the food I ordered. The total on the check was 5 dollars and change, and I left 25 on the table when I left, yup, thats right, that is the same as 400% tip. I think nothing of tipping 25-50% if I feel like the service warrants it, or 1% for that matter.

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oh, island guy.... where in CO you at?
 
deadhead said:
I can't agree enough, TRUE SERVICE, seems to be a thing of bygone eras. I grew up in the service industry, and have over 25 years experience in the restaurant trades, both BOH, and FOH. It seems to me that servers in moderately priced establishments have no concept of what "service" means, or how to provide it, feeling instead a sort of "entitlement" to my tipping money. The bare fact is that I am not responsible to pay your salary, instead American custom dictates that I give you a "tip" (defined as an extra amount given to acknowledge exemplary performance), if I feel it is warranted. I WILL NOT give you a tip you didn't earn. in fact, I will leave a 1 or 2 penny tip if service is bad enough to require me to notify you of the extent that you failed. (leaving no tip just looks like ignorance, whereas an excessively small tip conveys the message that I know what I am doing, and you should try to figure out why I did it--no, I will NEVER complain to your manager and try to get you fired, unless the situation is truly extreme, and it is warranted).
On the other hand, if the service is up to par, or above I have absolutely no problem tipping obscene percentages. Once I was eating lunch in a Mexican restaurant and they put beef all over my vegetarian food, (one of my most common grievances while eating out), and when I called it to there attention, and highlighted my need to get back to work in a timely manner, they not only remade my food in a matter of minutes, but took 50% off the already deeply discounted lunch special price, and gave me a coupon for another meal, all without my asking for anything except to get the food I ordered. The total on the check was 5 dollars and change, and I left 25 on the table when I left, yup, thats right, that is the same as 400% tip. I think nothing of tipping 25-50% if I feel like the service warrants it, or 1% for that matter.

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oh, island guy.... where in CO you at?
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Colorado Springs

The ''essence'' of tipping is COMMUNICATION between you and your server on how well you did or DID NOT do your job, plain and simple.
When other servers ''here you complain'' about the tip (I'm talking good servers, not the misery loves company slackers) they know who you are and that you'll be hittin the door pretty soon (unless you have a manager slacker).
 
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