Exactly what I did! If I forget and leave a cube on the table when I go home, it only costs me a mere $.16 :thumbup:!!!
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Exactly what I did! If I forget and leave a cube on the table when I go home, it only costs me a mere $.16 :thumbup:!!!
Maniac
I tried a cube of Kamui chalk at SBE and the results were simply amazing.
I, literally, had to beat back scores of hot women who wanted me.
Alternatively, it may have been my Hai Karate cologne.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtwh3nQP5Uo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKenJMjHsVc&feature=related
Best,
Brian kc
I, literally, had to beat back scores of hot women who wanted me.
Alternatively, it may have been my Hai Karate cologne.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtwh3nQP5Uo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKenJMjHsVc&feature=related
Best,
Brian kc
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Forget the Advocate, I'm the Devil.
I start by carving each cube of chalk from a huge clump of about 1,000 ounces. When I have widdled the chalk down to shape, I put it in my electrospectromitor. I do this simply for fun but 7 out of 10 cubes are ruined by the process, but to me, this is essential. With the remaining 3 cubes of chalk, I put them in a climate controlled room for 5 years. After that, I import the finest paper known to man and make the labels. After all this, 3 cubes of chalk have cost me $2,536 to make. I eat that cost and pass my love onto you for a few handfuls of dollars. Now I ask you, Is $25 too much to pay for such fine craftsmanship?
If you haven't figured it out by now... Yes. $25 for a cube of chalk is too expensive. But suckers make the economy go round. If I hock a cube for $5, I have to sell 5 cubes. Someone buys at $25 per cube, less work and same $$ for me. Forget it all. Run off to Waldensylvania and leave it all behind. Or buy Master Chalk, which is the same formula that hasn't changed since William A. Spinks and chemist William Hoskins made it in 1897. 144 cubes of blue chalk for $25. If you want 144 cubes of green, that will cost you a little more.
Aaaaand I'm Spent. :thumbup:
Please NOTE: This was written for laughters sake. My feelings are in line with Mr. branpureza on the next page. In all seriousness, buy what you want to buy folks.
I start by carving each cube of chalk from a huge clump of about 1,000 ounces. When I have widdled the chalk down to shape, I put it in my electrospectromitor. I do this simply for fun but 7 out of 10 cubes are ruined by the process, but to me, this is essential. With the remaining 3 cubes of chalk, I put them in a climate controlled room for 5 years. After that, I import the finest paper known to man and make the labels. After all this, 3 cubes of chalk have cost me $2,536 to make. I eat that cost and pass my love onto you for a few handfuls of dollars. Now I ask you, Is $25 too much to pay for such fine craftsmanship?
If you haven't figured it out by now... Yes. $25 for a cube of chalk is too expensive. But suckers make the economy go round. If I hock a cube for $5, I have to sell 5 cubes. Someone buys at $25 per cube, less work and same $$ for me. Forget it all. Run off to Waldensylvania and leave it all behind. Or buy Master Chalk, which is the same formula that hasn't changed since William A. Spinks and chemist William Hoskins made it in 1897. 144 cubes of blue chalk for $25. If you want 144 cubes of green, that will cost you a little more.
Aaaaand I'm Spent. :thumbup:Please NOTE: This was written for laughters sake. My feelings are in line with Mr. branpureza on the next page. In all seriousness, buy what you want to buy folks.
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just tossing my two cents in 
I've tried the Kamui Chalk as many have. It is different and was instantly able to see and feel the difference on my cue and playing. Is it pricey? Yes, but that is due to some of the materials that are used from what I understand. Just like the difference between a BMW and a VW. Both are good, both will get you around from point A to B, however the finishes and materials used in a BMW are not the same as a VW...hence the price difference.
I would love a cube of Kamui in my case to say the least, but still trying to figure out of to install a LoJack on the little square since I woefully tend to leave my chalk in rooms too often.
I've tried the Kamui Chalk as many have. It is different and was instantly able to see and feel the difference on my cue and playing. Is it pricey? Yes, but that is due to some of the materials that are used from what I understand. Just like the difference between a BMW and a VW. Both are good, both will get you around from point A to B, however the finishes and materials used in a BMW are not the same as a VW...hence the price difference. I would love a cube of Kamui in my case to say the least, but still trying to figure out of to install a LoJack on the little square since I woefully tend to leave my chalk in rooms too often.
Why is everyone so butt hurt over a piece of chalk?
If you don't want it don't buy it?
How many of you guys have ever had a $25 dollar steak that you only enjoyed for 5 minutes?
How many of you guys spend 1000 bucks on cigarettes each year when all they do is kill you?
How many of you guys are in any position to tell another person how to spend their money?
Everything is relative. It's a piece of chalk, If someone wants to try it out and likes it, and they feel like they play better with it, and it makes them happy, then more power to them. They made a great purchase.
If you don't want it don't buy it?
How many of you guys have ever had a $25 dollar steak that you only enjoyed for 5 minutes?
How many of you guys spend 1000 bucks on cigarettes each year when all they do is kill you?
How many of you guys are in any position to tell another person how to spend their money?
Everything is relative. It's a piece of chalk, If someone wants to try it out and likes it, and they feel like they play better with it, and it makes them happy, then more power to them. They made a great purchase.
I really don't have an opinion either way, but people crack me up. I get a kick out of some of the people who are talking about the outrageous price of things. If you look at some of these same people's signature line, they have 10+ custom cues and 3 cases with 37 shafts. It's just funny to me what people will argue about.
Is it expensive, sure. So is a Scruggs or a Schick cue, a Barton or a Justis case. You can hit balls just as well with a Cuetec or even a house cue. I bought a 1x1 case at walmart for $8. Hell, I could even carry my 2 piece cue to the pool room.
I have a nice case and a few four figure cues so I am not saying anything is wrong with that.
I guess my question is why are the people who are complaining about the price of Kamui chalk choosing to complain about this one specific topic?
I'm guessing your house is bigger than you need, your car is probably nicer than what is necessary to get you around. I'm sure you have a custom cue. If not, you have a custom thimble or tea set, a big ass tv, or some other crap that you pile up and don't need, or could have spent less on.
You can buy a little television at walmart for $75, why did you spend $1000 on yours?
I'm not taking sides, just something to think about. Everyone spends money on stuff they don't need. The only persons that have a leg to stand on is someone who walks to the poolroom from their small house and uses a house cue with whatever chalk the room provides.
What is it about Kamui chalk that has everyone up in arms?
<--- Haven't tried it, but really wants to know either way
Is it expensive, sure. So is a Scruggs or a Schick cue, a Barton or a Justis case. You can hit balls just as well with a Cuetec or even a house cue. I bought a 1x1 case at walmart for $8. Hell, I could even carry my 2 piece cue to the pool room.
I have a nice case and a few four figure cues so I am not saying anything is wrong with that.
I guess my question is why are the people who are complaining about the price of Kamui chalk choosing to complain about this one specific topic?
I'm guessing your house is bigger than you need, your car is probably nicer than what is necessary to get you around. I'm sure you have a custom cue. If not, you have a custom thimble or tea set, a big ass tv, or some other crap that you pile up and don't need, or could have spent less on.
You can buy a little television at walmart for $75, why did you spend $1000 on yours?
I'm not taking sides, just something to think about. Everyone spends money on stuff they don't need. The only persons that have a leg to stand on is someone who walks to the poolroom from their small house and uses a house cue with whatever chalk the room provides.
What is it about Kamui chalk that has everyone up in arms?
<--- Haven't tried it, but really wants to know either way
Strike First
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If I could buy 1 steak for 25$ or 155 steaks for 25$ guess which one I'm buying? :thumbup:
Brandon:
Great post. And a great comparative cost analysis with things we already own. You make several good points.
If you'll allow me, I'd like to take the other side of your devil's advocate debate. I think the root of this issue, the root-cause of why people seem to be up in arms about the price tag that Kamui attached to a single piece of chalk, is because chalk is considered a consumable item. The other items you mentioned are not consumables at all; they're either tools (cues, tip/shaft maintenance tools, your/my collection of Snap-On tools in that huge wheeled toolbox in the garage, etc.), vehicles (your/my car), residence (your/my house), heirloom (your/my furniture inherited from our grandparents), etc. None of those possibly-high-priced items you listed are items you consume in a rapid manner, like, say, soap, toilet paper, cleaners, 3-in-1 oil, firewood, etc.
Chalk is essential, yes. You can't get through a game (or would have extreme difficulty doing so) without chalking. It is a very crucial consumable in our sport. But it is not a tool (like a tip maintenance tool is), it is not an implement (like a cue is), etc. The difference between chalk and the other items is that at some point you will use the cube up -- given enough time and usage. Unless you abuse the heck out of your cues (i.e. treating them like throw-away items), your cues will be with your the rest of your life. If you take care of your tip maintenance tools (cleaning them often, replacing any refills [e.g. with Ultimate Tip Tool], etc.), theoretically, you should have them the rest of your life.
I don't mind spending more for tools, heirlooms, vehicles, residences, etc., because they are a one-time purchase. (In essence, anyway -- I can always trade-in stuff for new models, move to a new house, etc. -- but I trade the value of that older item in to get the newer item.)
However, I have a problem with spending $25.00 for a single roll of Charmin, no matter *how* convincing those cartoon bears say that it won't leave lint on my bum-bum, and that I need to only use four sheets for each wipe vs. twice that. Those Charmin bears will have to do a better job than that to convince me of the $25.00 value affixed to a single roll of that consumable.
For example, you may've seen my open letter to the Kamuitipsdotcom guy in another thread, to please answer the question about the correct usage of their product, the post of which went unanswered? That evasiveness is the kind of stuff that doesn't help the vendor's case at all.
I personally would give the product a try, if only the vendor would answer some BASIC questions.
Hope this helps,
-Sean
Sean, very well thought out and organized. I can appreciate the consumable argument. I do contend that a car is a consumable asset. It depreciates over time.
Actually, cars fit quite well into the argument. A more expensive car will depreciate faster, or at a greater percentage over time. I can buy a BMW 750 IL for $90k and in 4 years it will be worth $40,000. If I buy a $25,000 Ford Focus, in 4 years it's worth $15k. The Ford has dropped 40% and the BMW nearly 60%. Essentially, I have "consumed" this while driving it.
So the argument stands, why drive a Beamer when a Ford will do? Why eat Donato's when a hot-n-ready fills my stomach and provides the necessary calories for a quarter of the price?
I am not saying your wrong, but if someone feels like the chalk helps them and they "enjoy" the use (for lack of a better term), then isn't it worth the price they paid?
I enjoy the point counter-point banter. It is quite refreshing to have a conversation without degrading to fifth grade. We should make this a sticky so people can see that you can disagree without having to belittle someone; not to say that we even disagree.
And for what it's worth, I can understand your point regarding the mystery of the manufacturer. To be honest, I would probably purchase one piece just to decide for myself. But I probably wouldn't spend that much on a regular basis. I just don't understand the animosity when there are obviously those who now swear by it.
-Brandon
Actually, cars fit quite well into the argument. A more expensive car will depreciate faster, or at a greater percentage over time. I can buy a BMW 750 IL for $90k and in 4 years it will be worth $40,000. If I buy a $25,000 Ford Focus, in 4 years it's worth $15k. The Ford has dropped 40% and the BMW nearly 60%. Essentially, I have "consumed" this while driving it.
So the argument stands, why drive a Beamer when a Ford will do? Why eat Donato's when a hot-n-ready fills my stomach and provides the necessary calories for a quarter of the price?
I am not saying your wrong, but if someone feels like the chalk helps them and they "enjoy" the use (for lack of a better term), then isn't it worth the price they paid?
I enjoy the point counter-point banter. It is quite refreshing to have a conversation without degrading to fifth grade. We should make this a sticky so people can see that you can disagree without having to belittle someone; not to say that we even disagree.
And for what it's worth, I can understand your point regarding the mystery of the manufacturer. To be honest, I would probably purchase one piece just to decide for myself. But I probably wouldn't spend that much on a regular basis. I just don't understand the animosity when there are obviously those who now swear by it.
-Brandon
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TheThaiger
Banned
To be fair to Kamui, those questions are pretty basic, with the answers being given repeatedly by those who have already used it. I emailed them about something else, and had a very helpful and pleasant conversation with Kamui's MD. Would the MD of Tweeten do the same?
TheThaiger
Banned
Seriously? It's not made in America...
Brandon:
Thanks for the civil point-counterpoint banter, and you make some great points about cars in particular. However, out of the population, I would think very few people classify cars under the official classification as "consumables." Rather, they're classified as depreciable items. (But when you think about it, aren't almost all items -- with very few exceptions [e.g. extreme collectibles, rare/precious metals] -- vulnerable to depreciation to a greater or lesser extent?) Certain other items could be classified as "luxury" items as well. Your BMW would be considered a luxury car, even though it depreciates the instant you drive it off the lot probably faster than a standard or economy car. By way of comparison, I doubt any of us would consider chalk, a necessary consumable, as a "luxury" item.
You mentioned the topic of food, as well. Here the classification of luxury can be applied. Sure, you can satisfy your hunger with the cheapest of sustenance. But doesn't premium / professionally-prepared cuisine offer a taste "experience" that justifies the cost? I doubt any of us would consider applying chalk to our cue tip as an "experience." We don't go "Mmmmm!" as we do when a perfectly-cooked piece of fillet Mignon is "applied" inside our mouth.
Now, if on the other hand, we're talking about psychosomatic satisfaction (e.g. "the Kamui chalk makes me feel more confident about my game"), then that's another matter. The price of that psychosomatic satisfaction really has no ceiling -- but it does quickly creep into the realm of "opportunistic exploitation" on the part of the vendor. And methinks that might be the root of the uproar.
Again, I would give this product a try before I offer an opinion about the product itself. But I do have some basic requirements, and those *could* be easily handled if the vendor would answer some pre-sales questions that themselves are basic in nature.
Thanks again for the opportunity to engage in some civil banter. I'm enjoying this!
-Sean
P.S.: See folks? This is the way civil banter is supposed to be done.
Thanks for the civil point-counterpoint banter, and you make some great points about cars in particular. However, out of the population, I would think very few people classify cars under the official classification as "consumables." Rather, they're classified as depreciable items. (But when you think about it, aren't almost all items -- with very few exceptions [e.g. extreme collectibles, rare/precious metals] -- vulnerable to depreciation to a greater or lesser extent?) Certain other items could be classified as "luxury" items as well. Your BMW would be considered a luxury car, even though it depreciates the instant you drive it off the lot probably faster than a standard or economy car. By way of comparison, I doubt any of us would consider chalk, a necessary consumable, as a "luxury" item.
You mentioned the topic of food, as well. Here the classification of luxury can be applied. Sure, you can satisfy your hunger with the cheapest of sustenance. But doesn't premium / professionally-prepared cuisine offer a taste "experience" that justifies the cost? I doubt any of us would consider applying chalk to our cue tip as an "experience."
We don't go "Mmmmm!" as we do when a perfectly-cooked piece of fillet Mignon is "applied" inside our mouth. Now, if on the other hand, we're talking about psychosomatic satisfaction (e.g. "the Kamui chalk makes me feel more confident about my game"), then that's another matter. The price of that psychosomatic satisfaction really has no ceiling -- but it does quickly creep into the realm of "opportunistic exploitation" on the part of the vendor. And methinks that might be the root of the uproar.
Again, I would give this product a try before I offer an opinion about the product itself. But I do have some basic requirements, and those *could* be easily handled if the vendor would answer some pre-sales questions that themselves are basic in nature.
Thanks again for the opportunity to engage in some civil banter. I'm enjoying this!
-Sean
P.S.: See folks? This is the way civil banter is supposed to be done.
I seriously hope you would buy the $25 dollar steak because the alternative would be cheaper than dog food.
I don't eat red meat myself but I surely wouldn't put a 16 cent steak into my body.
And to be fair in response, I disagree, respectfully. Noone has answered the question of committed-to-muscle-memory chalking that is a subconscious part of the pre-shot routine. Noone -- from Kamui, anyway -- has answered the question about whether the chalk is "not supposed to" be applied after every shot. (Every vendor has recommended instructions for the use of their products -- especially if the changes in the product are "so profound" that people are reporting that they need to chalk only once a rack.)
For someone that doesn't think (and doesn't have to think) about chalking, this is a HUGE change if he/she "now" has to suddenly *start* thinking about the chalking regimen -- i.e. keeping track, where previously he/she didn't have to. The vendor is now asking the player to take a subconscious action, and *make* it a conscious action. That's asking a lot, actually. You (not you personally, TheThaiger) are asking the consumer to change his/her pre-shot routine altogether. That's big!
Hope this helps clarify,
-Sean
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to brandoncook26 again.
Bravo!
The pissing and moaning is beyond silly, in my own little humble opinion.
I haven't tried kamui chalk , but here's something thats happened and I find interesting, a dear friend of mine who is not a great player, he is an average pool player , whenever I play him he miscue 5-6 times in a set, and i'm not exaggerating, sometimes even more. he went to replace his tip where a guy who works there happened to own some Kamui chalks for sale, and he asked my friend (While the tip is being replaced) do you want to try a Kamui chalk? my friend had nothing to do while waiting so he said OK.
and my friend sworn to me, that he chalked only one time with Kamui chalks, then started shooting draw shots and full spin shots, he said, and I believe him, that he had shot 25 shots in a row without chalking with full spin, and it didn't miscue.
and I know that friend very well, he miscues ALOT.
he called me while he was changing the tip to tell me this, but I suggested to him not to buy that chalk as its for pro use (in my opinion) a guy who travels for tournament, buy plane tickets, hotel, and all that, he will find it cheap to buy a 25$ chalk just for the fact that he will feel its less chance for a miscue, and really, if I am traveling playing for tournaments I really would buy a 25$ chalk no problem, but as for a casual player, plays in pool hall every now and then, its not worth it.
I just felt like passing the story, I still wouldn't buy that expensive chalk unless i'm a pro and take pool seriously, but yea thats just me.
and my friend sworn to me, that he chalked only one time with Kamui chalks, then started shooting draw shots and full spin shots, he said, and I believe him, that he had shot 25 shots in a row without chalking with full spin, and it didn't miscue.
and I know that friend very well, he miscues ALOT.
he called me while he was changing the tip to tell me this, but I suggested to him not to buy that chalk as its for pro use (in my opinion) a guy who travels for tournament, buy plane tickets, hotel, and all that, he will find it cheap to buy a 25$ chalk just for the fact that he will feel its less chance for a miscue, and really, if I am traveling playing for tournaments I really would buy a 25$ chalk no problem, but as for a casual player, plays in pool hall every now and then, its not worth it.
I just felt like passing the story, I still wouldn't buy that expensive chalk unless i'm a pro and take pool seriously, but yea thats just me.
TheThaiger
Banned
Sure, I got you, and I had the same thoughts myself. I couldn't get my head around when you chalk. I came to the conclusion you need to figure that out for yourself, and a lot depends on your stroke and how you shoot. That's not an answer a rep can give you.
I like the idea of a chalk providing a coating that lasts, but like the psychological crutch of chalking before each shot too. Combine a $25 kamui with a $0.25 Master and I'm all over it.
I don't care what anyone says about pricing - I want this chalk!
TheThaiger
Banned
Did your friend buy the chalk? I miscue A LOT, too. It's the bane of my existence, or one of them. I'd snatch the hand off anyone who said they could eliminate even 10% of my miscues for $25. Money. Well. Spent.
P.S.: See folks? This is the way civil banter is supposed to be done.
This can happen when the conversation doesn't start out with calling people thieves and con artists.
Talking about cost/benefit usually leads to rational and civil conversation. Starting out with ad hominem attacks with no factual or experiential basis generally leads to emotion driven drama screeching.
Which one is more fun? Well as Dr. Phil says, everyone does what they do for some payoff, so looking at the amount of insulting drama posts vs. the amount of civil topical posts I'd say that for most people the payoff is the adrenaline spike they get from the virtual fist pumping associated with being on the "I'm gonna get those thieves bandwagon". Even if there are no thieve. (insert pitchfork and torch here).