At Pool sharks is Las Vegas, Scott Frost spotted Shane Van Boening 8 - 7 in an 8-ahead contest for $15K. It pitted the long established champion play and superior one-pocket knowledge of Scott against the unparalleled shooting ability of Shane who has only been playing one-pocket for a year. It was all over in a a few hours with Shane the clear victor. It looked easy, with Shane often running the table, but the truth is, it could have gone either way. I am looking forward to seeing the two matched up even sometime in the near future.
Shane / Scott Showdown
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anything on Dippy/Scott round 4?
SVB is a beast
Just read this from the main page also
"Van Boening had recently returned from a lengthy sojourn in Asia which included a number of highly successful match ups in Manila. He played seven sets against the likes of Ronnie Alcano, Francisco Bustamante and Jeff De Luna and was undefeated."
Just read this from the main page also
"Van Boening had recently returned from a lengthy sojourn in Asia which included a number of highly successful match ups in Manila. He played seven sets against the likes of Ronnie Alcano, Francisco Bustamante and Jeff De Luna and was undefeated."
Shane was in the room studying Scott's "Power One Pocket" before the match
Shane's still got a little of the Hustla in him.
I find that whenever I play a good player who isn't a one pocket player that they pick up the moves REAL fast. So whatever Scott does to Shane that Shane doesn't already know how to do will be absorbed almost instantly and used against Scott in subsequent play.
Was a sad day in Manila when that happened I bet.
Shane is a " Power Ball Pocketing Machine". I never went for this "he out moved him" crap. Now that a lot of the top pros are playing it (1-hole) you can see that they do just as well as the "kings of one pocket". It's a good game if you enjoy a slower pace but if you can make balls, kick, and bank the rest comes with playing good players for a short time. For playes like Shane, a very short time. Just like 14.1, if the top pros played it often they would all be 200+ runners. Johnnyt
That is an excellant point.
That brings some memory of something I read in the book ' Rags to Riffleman '.Buddy and Grady matched up in Johnston city and Grady did not think Buddy was playing the game of one pocket game as it was supposed to be played. Grady suggested to Buddy that he has to make 'Moves'.Buddy replied saying why he had to make moves when he could pocket the balls to run out.
When Jeremy Jones won US open one pocket in (?) 1999 he did not make too many moves.He won it with aggressive shot making from every where.
Tony REX, also a very aggressive shot maker with his banking,kicking,cutting etc from everywhere.
But in the recently concluded US one pocket most of the players played old style-moves,moves & moves.
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The problem for unexperienced 1p players but otherwise great shooters isn't perhaps the lack of some mysterious deep knowledge, but comfortability with shots that don't come up in other games. Of course, you can come up with better shots with better percentages if you're more experienced, but the game of one pocket gives so much leverage to the execution of shots that a shooter like Shane can overcome anything he might give up strategically.
I feel like the "old schoolers" often disapprove even Efren's shot choices, but at his prime and even today, Efren is so great at executing complicated and touchy shots that no one could beat him. Playing one pocket you are constantly faced with shots that require very fine control of the object ball and the cue ball. I'm not saying that rotation games or 8-ball are easy. Only that one pocket gives more leverage. By executing the position play an inch more accurate, you might be making the job for your opponent much more difficult.
(Obviously I'm not an expert, this is just my feeling about the issue.)
I feel like the "old schoolers" often disapprove even Efren's shot choices, but at his prime and even today, Efren is so great at executing complicated and touchy shots that no one could beat him. Playing one pocket you are constantly faced with shots that require very fine control of the object ball and the cue ball. I'm not saying that rotation games or 8-ball are easy. Only that one pocket gives more leverage. By executing the position play an inch more accurate, you might be making the job for your opponent much more difficult.
(Obviously I'm not an expert, this is just my feeling about the issue.
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Shane has been playing 1 hole for a long time . I been playing big matches over sea's getting back that killer we all saw when he saw winning the bg tournaments with ease.. He's is a very well rounded player .. and does come from a line of great road players .. I think his granddad was a great player...
The problem for unexperienced 1p players but otherwise great shooters isn't perhaps the lack of some mysterious deep knowledge, but comfortability with shots that don't come up in other games. Of course, you can come up with better shots with better percentages if you're more experienced, but the game of one pocket gives so much leverage to the execution of shots that a shooter like Shane can overcome anything he might give up strategically.
I feel like the "old schoolers" often disapprove even Efren's shot choices, but at his prime and even today, Efren is so great at executing complicated and touchy shots that no one could beat him. Playing one pocket you are constantly faced with shots that require very fine control of the object ball and the cue ball. I'm not saying that rotation games or 8-ball are easy. Only that one pocket gives more leverage. By executing the position play an inch more accurate, you might be making the job for your opponent much more difficult.
(Obviously I'm not an expert, this is just my feeling about the issue.
What a great analysis, worth reading again! :thumbup2:
Lol thats true. Shane has been gambling 1hole for years. He played chohan 9-7 2 years ago and got beat quick.
obviously hes improved alot since
The problem for unexperienced 1p players but otherwise great shooters isn't perhaps the lack of some mysterious deep knowledge, but comfortability with shots that don't come up in other games. Of course, you can come up with better shots with better percentages if you're more experienced, but the game of one pocket gives so much leverage to the execution of shots that a shooter like Shane can overcome anything he might give up strategically.
I feel like the "old schoolers" often disapprove even Efren's shot choices, but at his prime and even today, Efren is so great at executing complicated and touchy shots that no one could beat him. Playing one pocket you are constantly faced with shots that require very fine control of the object ball and the cue ball. I'm not saying that rotation games or 8-ball are easy. Only that one pocket gives more leverage. By executing the position play an inch more accurate, you might be making the job for your opponent much more difficult.
(Obviously I'm not an expert, this is just my feeling about the issue.
Agreed, good analysis.
Robert Le Blanc told me that he and Artie Bodendorfer were watching the finals of the One-Pocket event in Vegas and were surprised at how often some known moves were passed up, most likely because the players flat didn't know them.
I'm sure the fine control you speak of can overcome some of the "moves" that the old-schoolers might have learned many years ago.
No expert here either. Just a railbird who thinks he knows something.
It sounds like Shane is ready for Efren. Everyone seems to think Scott is better than Efren now. So since shane won 8 to 7 against scott, Efren and Shane should be an even match. The next TAR should be Efren and Shane one pocket, 10 ball, big table 8 ball, best 2 out of 3 for all the cheese
At the 2007 DCC he played Chohan getting 9-7 with a coach and beat Chohan the first 4 games. Chohan's camp pulled up.
SVB is the best
Efren's still the best for a little while longer. His creativity, shot making and execution is still superlative at One Pocket. But Shane and others are breathing down his neck. Contrary to what has been said so far, great moves still win games. And seeing and then executing that move is a skill all it's own.
