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Embassy147, you should consider paying the full escrow amount, again another effort to cut your losses.

Marcus "Fast and Loose" is very trusted for handling cues and money.
Or use the guy who volunteered to assist with this issue.

You'll simply have to get our local "guy who does dishonest cue sales" (CHRIS - SINGERNAK) to send the package to Marcus, instead of your house, (which I'm sure Chris will try to have a problem with that).
And you'll most likely have to pay an additional freight or two to get things finished.

It's amazing as to how a thief thinks he's entitled to the sh!t he steals.
 
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singernak said:
I have said what I am going to say, I have made a fair offer and most people who sell things would do the same especially when your dealing with an overseas customer.

What would be my recourse if I sent him a refund and for some reason he never sent back the cue? I would have none so i refuse to take that risk and if that makes me a moron, i am sorry you feel that way.

I am done talking about this, my offer stands to refund him once the cue is back I'm my hands.
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DUH, Escrow will provide safety for both sides.

Now, We've got proof you're a MORON. What an excuse, LOL.
 
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half fast bankr said:
I wouldn't be so fast to do that as it may effect the outcome in a bad way. I'd give him the chance to make right, and make right soon. Thereafter, I'd stop at nothing...

The quick and easy version is: either a bad guy did a bad thing, or an honest man made an honest mistake. The bad guy ain't gonna try too hard to make it right, the honest man will make it right no matter what.

And I'm not sure about escrow costs either, but just to see this thing finished acceptably to both parties, I'd middle-man for free. As in I'd charge nothing, but it better not cost me anything either (except a trip or two to the PO, and the short drive).
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Thanks for your offer. I will be glad to do that. But I doubt that the seller would use Escrow even it is free. He has my money and does not seem like he would let go even the cue is not as described. He probably thinks everyone here is dishonest like himself.
 
singernak said:
I have said what I am going to say, I have made a fair offer and most people who sell things would do the same especially when your dealing with an overseas customer.

What would be my recourse if I sent him a refund and for some reason he never sent back the cue? I would have none so i refuse to take that risk and if that makes me a moron, i am sorry you feel that way.

I am done talking about this, my offer stands to refund him once the cue is back I'm my hands.
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What recourse would Embassy147 have if he sent the cue back to you and you did not send a refund. Based on how this situation came about, its likely or at least probable that you are scamming Embassy147.

A solution to this problem has been provided that eliminates the risk that you would not receive the cue back and eliminates the risk Embassy147 does not receive a refund. Its called escrow. Escrow fees are very reasonable. I think an honest person would be willing to eat the nominal escrow cost to do the right thing. In fact, one person has already volunteered to be the escrow agent for free.

If you are unwilling to use an escrow agent, then all I can say is if it looks like, sounds like, and smells like, then it must be a crook.

Steven
 
And Now I see why "Chris - Singernak" wants to hold out...he sees easy pickins...as the buyer is from outside of the states...

...that makes it alright, to hold out...

...and to put up an ultimatum...

...and to hold his money hostage...

...and to not agree with any reasonable solution...
 
It's very simple really, he sends me the cue back and i will send him a refund for the cue. As far as any Escrow service that is for new people on AZ trying to established themselves.

I have bought and sold over 500 cues in the 5 years i have been a member, if i would have know about the Itrader before i would have great feedback.

I feel i am being reasonable considering all the negative comments, Just send the cue back, and get your refund and move on.
 
There aren't many businesses that would refund your money without returning the product. Can you go to walmart, get your money back then go home and mail them the product back?

The buyer, screwed or not, still asked for additional free goods after refusing a reasonable partial refund.

Now I'm not defending a crappy description or the inability to use escrow because I know I would have accepted that compromise but refunding money overseas to a buyer that's already attempted to capitalize on free additional favors would have me leery. So I'm sympathetic to that. I wouldn't refund prior to a returned product.

With that said. The seller needs to accept escrow as that's the only solution when both parties feel slighted. I support the op's desire to not offer a refund without the cue but there's no excuse for refusing escrow. All your doing is hurting yourself at this point, some deals go bad, so cut your loses and be done with it.
 
Bishop said:
There aren't many businesses that would refund your money without returning the product. Can you go to walmart, get your money back then go home and mail them the product back?

The buyer, screwed or not, still asked for additional free goods after refusing a reasonable partial refund.

Now I'm not defending a crappy description or the inability to use escrow because I know I would have accepted that compromise but refunding money overseas to a buyer that's already attempted to capitalize on free additional favors would have me leery. So I'm sympathetic to that. I wouldn't refund prior to a returned product.

With that said. The seller needs to accept escrow as that's the only solution when both parties feel slighted. I support the op's desire to not offer a refund without the cue but there's no excuse for refusing escrow. All your doing is hurting yourself at this point, some deals go bad, so cut your loses and be done with it.
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I don't think anyone is now suggesting he refund the money and wait for the cue to be returned. I think everyone except singernak believes escrow is the best solution to the problem. Singernak has not provided any reasonable answer to not use escrow. Using some lame excuse of escrow is for new members is not reasonable.

At this point, I can't believe anything other than this is a scam by singernak.

Steven
 
Well Steven just like I said in a earlier post, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and regardless of whether you think I am handling this the way you would like, I am handling this the best way I see fit and although appreciate the input and advice, in the end it is my decision.

And since I have never used Escrow, I am not going to start now. This is no scam, I am a real person in Las Vegas who will issue a refund as long as I receive the cue back.

Chris
 
refund = full amount plus shipping? Surely the tricked buyer shouldn't have to pay for someone else's error.

my offer to middle-man for free still stands, hopefully to appease both parties.
 
Chris did not desribe the cue adequately. He F'd up.

The fact that he won't use an Escrow and make this right only proves that he is a BAD person to deal with.

Red rep sent...:angry:
 
This guy has gone South on 2 or 3 cue deals in a row.

Who needs him here?

Not I.

Kevin
 
singernak said:
I have nothing to HIDE, so go ahead. I tried to make it right, and you just got greedy and wanted a free SW shaft, which will never happen..

I will replace the other shaft if you send back the smaller tip sized one..
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I challenge your statement that you have nothing to hide!!! You obviously had the actual diameter and condition of the two shafts to hide. How can you post a cue for sale with shafts listed as 12.75mm and 13mm and neither shaft is over 12.5mm. In my opinion this alone is reason enough to undo the entire deal. Accuracy in description is critical to successful and smooth cue deals and you were way off in my opinion.

-don
 
I have made attempts to right any bad deals including this one, if for some reason you don't like the way I choose to handle it, then last I checked wr live in a free country, so piss off!

I am tired of trying to defend myself and my character, this is crazy all the red rep WHATEVER !! I sell stuff on AZ obviously regardless of feedback as I am still selling cues and cloth, even after people are saying derogatory things.

If the cue is returned I will give a full refund if it is not, then there is nothing to talk about.

I appreciate the offers of a free middle man, bit in this situation that's not needed as I have never had to have a middle man.

Chris
 
Don I agree with your statement, however I am not prepare to put myself in a situation in which I can get burned.

That's exactly what I am proposing is to undo the entire deal as I wasn't thorough with the shaft sizes as I dont normally measure anything.
 
singernak said:
Don I agree with your statement, however I am not prepare to put myself in a situation in which I can get burned.

That's exactly what I am proposing is to undo the entire deal as I wasn't thorough with the shaft sizes as I dont normally measure anything.
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Singernak, explain to us how you think you will get burned using an escrow agent? Maybe we can come up with something that will eliminate that concern.

Steven
 
singernak said:
Don I agree with your statement, however I am not prepare to put myself in a situation in which I can get burned.

That's exactly what I am proposing is to undo the entire deal as I wasn't thorough with the shaft sizes as I dont normally measure anything.
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The whole point of escrow is to avoid being burned.
 
Gmanpoke said:
Singernak, explain to us how you think you will get burned using an escrow agent? Maybe we can come up with something that will eliminate that concern.

Steven
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By using Escrow, that means the seller agrees to return my money, so he got burnt. If he refused to use Escrow, he can keep my money because he knows that I will not return the cue to him without an Escrow agent.
 
Maybe someone should give Laura a call at SouthWest Cues ...to let her know of the pathetic situation that "Chris - Singernak" has created...and maybe she'll think "WOW, what a dirt bag", and maybe she'll help by providing a local, in his town, in his face, solution to allow some protection for the buyer.

Otherwise, Chris is trying to stack all the cards to his advantage, so that he can create "ANY EXCUSE" (like used in other transactions) to not send the money, and thus he is trying to allow absolutely no protection for the buyer, which is what a scammer needs.

And, maybe you could send the cue to Laura...for her to hold...until you receive the money...or he could hand the money to Laura for her to send it to you.

And that way, our local "shade tree cue salesman/moron" will know that the cue is right there in front of him...

Either way, I'm sure Laura would be amused of the integrity of one of her local guys and his behavior behind the handling of a sale of one of her cues.

Just a thought...
 
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