What The ABP Should Do......

JCIN

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With all the recent to do surrounding the ABP and various associated topics I have been thinking about the idea of a player organization and the challenges it faces. A few points that have come to mind are:

- If the goal is a unified front to collectively bargain for members interests then in business matters pertaining to the those interests it is vitally important to convey a coherent, concise and consistent message detailing the objectives and reasoning of the group.

Thats a fancy way of saying "Pick a mouthpiece and everyone else shut up." I think the use of of the ABP account on this forum by an unknown number of people shows what not following the above principle can do to undermine public support for a group effort. By having ONE spokesperson and having everything come through them consistently it allows for people to easily tell when something is coming from the group versus an individual member. This not only appears professional but it gives credibility to the messages that are released by this spokesperson.

- Promote the value added aspect of a players organization to fans and promoters.

In other words "You catch more flys with honey than vinegar." A group would be best served by showcasing the positive aspects of working with them. For example: Explain to promoters that by working with the group and using things such as their seeding process and other points they want to see in the event that the promoter will gain value for his event.

Ways to demonstrate this value:

1.Guaranteeing all players in the group will be at the event and any member who can not attend due to a valid reason will not play in any events on the dates of the promoters event.

2. Have the group and its members actively and demonstrably help the promoter publicize the event through group and individual networks. Think what having 30 top players all blast facebook, twitter and email contacts with news about an event could add for a promoter. It's not inconsequential. But for it to really mean something it would have to be organized and consistent.

3. Provide promoters with access to group partners and sponsors. Mike Janis is probably the best in the world at this. When someone signs up to do one of his events they automatically get access to his network of sponsors and companies that he has put together to add value. Another example would be for a group to make strategic alliances with a table company, cloth company and things of that nature so they could provide a one stop shop for promoters. This is not to say that those companies would be exclusive. It is very important to not restrict promoters opportunities for sponsorship by having exclusive requirements on brands of equipment. The option should be there though for a promoter to use if they see fit.

4. Actively and honestly do the small things needed to grow the fan base at a grass roots level. This is a very simple thing but is so often either done poorly or neglected all together. Simple things like signing autographs, playing free challenge matches and pro-am events all matter but only if done as part of a greater strategic initiative to accomplish the goal of having individual fans leave with the impression "Hey these guys are pretty cool. Next time I get the chance to see them I am going to come back." Two examples of groups where this was embedded in the culture are NASCAR and Skateboarding. Both grew from small niche sports beginning with grass roots PR campaigns that are carried through to this day.

There are many more points where a group could add value to fans and promoters. The key is to stress the positive aspects of working with a group. Everyone knows that the groups big stick is a boycott. There is no need to go waving that stick around in public. Much better to have the people who pay your salary to be focused on the carrot.

- If you can't BE organized at least ACT organized.

It is hard as hell to get ten people to agree on anything let alone twenty to forty people who made a living in a dog eat dog individual sport such as pool. Accept that fact and only make statements on things in which the group will stand behind one hundred percent. There is no need to overreach. As soon as the defections start it is essentially over for the group at such an early stage.

-Know who is in the foxhole with you.

In order to be taken seriously a group must have an unshakeable knowledge about who is in the group and the role they play. If this does not happen the group will fail under stress. Be sure the people you say you represent know you are using their name and have an understanding of the the choices and statements being made in their name.

Finally...

- It's a small world after all.....

Pro pool in the U.S. is a tiny world. A group should do their best to leverage all the contacts and outside resources available to it. Do not be afraid to ask for guidance, advice or support. You don't have to take it but just the fact that a group is open to it will build bridges that can open doors and smooth the way for future. Do not be quick to judge people "against the players" if they do not tell you what you want to hear. Take value from as many opinions and statements as you can in order to constantly reshape and sharpen your message with the end goal always being to improve the lot of group members and add value to the fans.

That pretty much sums up my manifesto on group dynamics in the pool world. I would be interested in any opinions, additions or flame posts anyone may have.
 
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Great post. And great advice. I think it will fall of deaf ears though. And that would be a shame.
 
I see a big problem with this one. How many are signed up now? Let's just say they grow and get around 80 members. Many are from overseas on the current list. A number on the list just basically want to show their support for the pros, and don't even intend to play in any of the events. Some have basically no chance of cashing in the events. Do you really want to mandate that they all have to show up??

I think it would be better to guarantee a certain number maybe, but surely not all on the list. I think that if that happens, at least half the list will be basically forced out just do to expenses.

That is part of the cost of doing business. If a group wants to be taken seriously they have to be able to offer something. Nothing is free in life. If you want the benefits of being in a group you have to subject yourself to the rules and policies of that group in order to reap the benefits of membership. Otherwise it is a paper tiger that won't do much for anyone.

A group could have several levels of members and with certain milestones a promoter meets he could get a guarantee of different geographic regions of players. At the end of the day the members have to put something in the middle for it to work. The key is using common sense and reaching compromises that work for as many people as possible.
 
Nice job Jcin.

I think the most important thing is chosing a speaker that meets your criterias. There is plenty of talent in the pool department...its the professionalism aspect that will leave lasting impressions in the minds of prospective sponsers. And believe me there will be sponsors.

Speaking is an artform. Great speakers can move an entire country. I believe John smidt has taken public speaking classes, maybe he is the best candidate for the job....or whoever has the highest crudentials in that regard.
 
JCIN

so what do they have to offer to a tournament besides playing pool?
they have little to no pull for selling tickets to a tournament. if you put
Johnny,Mika,Alex and Ralph on the busiest street corner in New York how
many autographs do you think they would get asked for in a 4 hour period.
do you think any of the news media would notice them and ask for a story.
pool players do to much hit and run to have a fan club.do you think
2 or 3 players will go by a local radio station and ask to get on the air to let
the locals know they are there and sell the tourny.

good post JCIN, i appreciate what you are trying to do for pool!

bill
 
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oscar Domingez

Oscar seems like a very likable, personable character also. I think he's in college so it won't be hard for him to take a few leadership skills courses.
 
K.Mcphee...I happen to like John Schmidt, and feel he speaks pretty well for himself. That said, imo, this group needs a professional PR person, to be the face of the organization. The best person for that job should not come from the ABP. They need to be able to focus on their jobs and the goals of the group. The fact that they need professional representation has been presented by many here...including high level business people, who are close to some in the ABP.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Nice job Jcin.

I think the most important thing is chosing a speaker that meets your criterias. There is plenty of talent in the pool department...its the professionalism aspect that will leave lasting impressions in the minds of prospective sponsers. And believe me there will be sponsors.

Speaking is an artform. Great speakers can move an entire country. I believe John smidt has taken public speaking classes, maybe he is the best candidate for the job....or whoever has the highest crudentials in that regard.
 
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I normally don't say anything about typos, but that one gave me a good chuckle! :D All the talk about the pros should keep their mouths shut more, and you come up with crudentials.

:shrug::shrug: oops. :smile:... I haven't been following much of whats happening.
 
K.Mcphee...I happen to like John Schmidt, and feel he speaks pretty well for himself. That said, imo, this group needs a professional PR person, to be the face of the organization. The best person for that job should not come from the ABP. They need to be able to focus on their jobs and the goals of the group. The fact that they need professional representation has been presented by many here...including high level business people, who are close to some in the ABP.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Yeah, that's exactly what they need. Good public relationship, and a person that will drive the rest to build towards that goal.
 
JCIN

so what do they have to offer to a tournament besides playing pool?
they have little to no pull for selling tickets to a tournament. if you put
Johnny,Mika,Alex and Ralph on the busiest street corner in New York how
many autographs do you think they would get asked for in a 4 hour period.
do you think any of the news media would notice them and ask for a story.
pool players do to much hit and run to have a fan club.do you think
2 or 3 players will go by a local radio station and ask to get on the air to let
the locals know they are there and sell the tourny.

good post JCIN, i appreciate what you are trying to do for pool!

bill

There are plenty of ways a players group can help promote an event. Besides getting the word out to their fans through FB, Twitter, emails, blogs, and their own websites I can see member pros coming to the venue city a couple of days in advance and having groups of three or four hit different pool halls in the town for the couple of nights before the event to drum up interest, maybe setting up challenge matches or short exhibitions, glad handing with league players, maybe even visit a couple of Boys Clubs to do some trick shots and perhaps the local news media would get interested.

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Justin, very good post. And I notice that the ABP hasn't done any of the stuff you suggest that I can think of.
 
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With all the recent to do surrounding the ABP and various associated topics I have been thinking about the idea of a player organization and the challenges it faces. A few points that have come to mind are:

- If the goal is a unified front to collectively bargain for members interests then in business matters pertaining to the those interests it is vitally important to convey a coherent, concise and consistent message detailing the objectives and reasoning of the group.

Thats a fancy way of saying "Pick a mouthpiece and everyone else shut up." I think the use of of the ABP account on this forum by an unknown number of people shows what not following the above principle can do to undermine public support for a group effort. By having ONE spokesperson and having everything come through them consistently it allows for people to easily tell when something is coming from the group versus an individual member. This not only appears professional but it gives credibility to the messages that are released by this spokesperson.

- Promote the value added aspect of a players organization to fans and promoters.

In other words "You catch more flys with honey than vinegar." A group would be best served by showcasing the positive aspects of working with them. For example: Explain to promoters that by working with the group and using things such as their seeding process and other points they want to see in the event that the promoter will gain value for his event.

Ways to demonstrate this value:

1.Guaranteeing all players in the group will be at the event and any member who can not attend due to a valid reason will not play in any events on the dates of the promoters event.

2. Have the group and its members actively and demonstrably help the promoter publicize the event through group and individual networks. Think what having 30 top players all blast facebook, twitter and email contacts with news about an event could add for a promoter. It's not inconsequential. But for it to really mean something it would have to be organized and consistent.

3. Provide promoters with access to group partners and sponsors. Mike Janis is probably the best in the world at this. When someone signs up to do one of his events they automatically get access to his network of sponsors and companies that he has put together to add value. Another example would be for a group to make strategic alliances with a table company, cloth company and things of that nature so they could provide a one stop shop for promoters. This is not to say that those companies would be exclusive. It is very important to not restrict promoters opportunities for sponsorship by having exclusive requirements on brands of equipment. The option should be there though for a promoter to use if they see fit.

4. Actively and honestly do the small things needed to grow the fan base at a grass roots level. This is a very simple thing but is so often either done poorly or neglected all together. Simple things like signing autographs, playing free challenge matches and pro-am events all matter but only if done as part of a greater strategic initiative to accomplish the goal of having individual fans leave with the impression "Hey these guys are pretty cool. Next time I get the chance to see them I am going to come back." Two examples of groups where this was embedded in the culture are NASCAR and Skateboarding. Both grew from small niche sports beginning with grass roots PR campaigns that are carried through to this day.

There are many more points where a group could add value to fans and promoters. The key is to stress the positive aspects of working with a group. Everyone knows that the groups big stick is a boycott. There is no need to go waving that stick around in public. Much better to have the people who pay your salary to be focused on the carrot.

- If you can't BE organized at least ACT organized.

It is hard as hell to get ten people to agree on anything let alone twenty to forty people who made a living in a dog eat dog individual sport such as pool. Accept that fact and only make statements on things in which the group will stand behind one hundred percent. There is no need to overreach. As soon as the defections start it is essentially over for the group at such an early stage.

-Know who is in the foxhole with you.

In order to be taken seriously a group must have an unshakeable knowledge about who is in the group and the role they play. If this does not happen the group will fail under stress. Be sure the people you say you represent know you are using their name and have an understanding of the the choices and statements being made in their name.

Finally...

- It's a small world after all.....

Pro pool in the U.S. is a tiny world. A group should do their best to leverage all the contacts and outside resources available to it. Do not be afraid to ask for guidance, advice or support. You don't have to take it but just the fact that a group is open to it will build bridges that can open doors and smooth the way for future. Do not be quick to judge people "against the players" if they do not tell you what you want to hear. Take value from as many opinions and statements as you can in order to constantly reshape and sharpen your message with the end goal always being to improve the lot of group members and add value to the fans.

That pretty much sums up my manifesto on group dynamics in the pool world. I would be interested in any opinions, additions or flame posts anyone may have.

100% spot on!

This past week was poorly handled, and hasn't helped their cause at all.

Perhaps they can regroup and try again, public relations-wise.
 
justadub...Pretty tough to get the genie back in the bottle, once it's out! That said, if it were to happen, with a professional PR person, I would certainly be willing to support the cause.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

100% spot on!

This past week was poorly handled, and hasn't helped their cause at all.

Perhaps they can regroup and try again, public relations-wise.
 
It's funny how there is a thread about official drinks and snacks in the midst of all this talk and demand for change. I see it all being very realistic.....I'm slightly crazy though:smile-us-down:
 
With all the recent to do surrounding the ABP and various associated topics I have been thinking about the idea of a player organization and the challenges it faces. A few points that have come to mind are:

- If the goal is a unified front to collectively bargain for members interests then in business matters pertaining to the those interests it is vitally important to convey a coherent, concise and consistent message detailing the objectives and reasoning of the group.

Thats a fancy way of saying "Pick a mouthpiece and everyone else shut up." I think the use of of the ABP account on this forum by an unknown number of people shows what not following the above principle can do to undermine public support for a group effort. By having ONE spokesperson and having everything come through them consistently it allows for people to easily tell when something is coming from the group versus an individual member. This not only appears professional but it gives credibility to the messages that are released by this spokesperson.

- Promote the value added aspect of a players organization to fans and promoters.

In other words "You catch more flys with honey than vinegar." A group would be best served by showcasing the positive aspects of working with them. For example: Explain to promoters that by working with the group and using things such as their seeding process and other points they want to see in the event that the promoter will gain value for his event.

Ways to demonstrate this value:

1.Guaranteeing all players in the group will be at the event and any member who can not attend due to a valid reason will not play in any events on the dates of the promoters event.

2. Have the group and its members actively and demonstrably help the promoter publicize the event through group and individual networks. Think what having 30 top players all blast facebook, twitter and email contacts with news about an event could add for a promoter. It's not inconsequential. But for it to really mean something it would have to be organized and consistent.

3. Provide promoters with access to group partners and sponsors. Mike Janis is probably the best in the world at this. When someone signs up to do one of his events they automatically get access to his network of sponsors and companies that he has put together to add value. Another example would be for a group to make strategic alliances with a table company, cloth company and things of that nature so they could provide a one stop shop for promoters. This is not to say that those companies would be exclusive. It is very important to not restrict promoters opportunities for sponsorship by having exclusive requirements on brands of equipment. The option should be there though for a promoter to use if they see fit.

4. Actively and honestly do the small things needed to grow the fan base at a grass roots level. This is a very simple thing but is so often either done poorly or neglected all together. Simple things like signing autographs, playing free challenge matches and pro-am events all matter but only if done as part of a greater strategic initiative to accomplish the goal of having individual fans leave with the impression "Hey these guys are pretty cool. Next time I get the chance to see them I am going to come back." Two examples of groups where this was embedded in the culture are NASCAR and Skateboarding. Both grew from small niche sports beginning with grass roots PR campaigns that are carried through to this day.

There are many more points where a group could add value to fans and promoters. The key is to stress the positive aspects of working with a group. Everyone knows that the groups big stick is a boycott. There is no need to go waving that stick around in public. Much better to have the people who pay your salary to be focused on the carrot.

- If you can't BE organized at least ACT organized.

It is hard as hell to get ten people to agree on anything let alone twenty to forty people who made a living in a dog eat dog individual sport such as pool. Accept that fact and only make statements on things in which the group will stand behind one hundred percent. There is no need to overreach. As soon as the defections start it is essentially over for the group at such an early stage.

-Know who is in the foxhole with you.

In order to be taken seriously a group must have an unshakeable knowledge about who is in the group and the role they play. If this does not happen the group will fail under stress. Be sure the people you say you represent know you are using their name and have an understanding of the the choices and statements being made in their name.

Finally...

- It's a small world after all.....

Pro pool in the U.S. is a tiny world. A group should do their best to leverage all the contacts and outside resources available to it. Do not be afraid to ask for guidance, advice or support. You don't have to take it but just the fact that a group is open to it will build bridges that can open doors and smooth the way for future. Do not be quick to judge people "against the players" if they do not tell you what you want to hear. Take value from as many opinions and statements as you can in order to constantly reshape and sharpen your message with the end goal always being to improve the lot of group members and add value to the fans.

That pretty much sums up my manifesto on group dynamics in the pool world. I would be interested in any opinions, additions or flame posts anyone may have.

Justin for President! Great, thoughtful post. Really? Pool players running a business/organization? - they need a professional (PR or otherwise) to run it and be the spokesperson as others have mentioned.

By the way, how do we know you are not Charlie Williams using JCIN's account? How many fingers am I holding up? :D

Dave
 
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justadub...Pretty tough to get the genie back in the bottle, once it's out! That said, if it were to happen, with a professional PR person, I would certainly be willing to support the cause.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

I certainly agree with that. It's damned difficult changing a "first impression...."

Nonetheless, they need to try and repair their public image, as an organization. Unfortunately, this past week has set back their cause. If they start to do some of the things that Justin and others here have suggested, perhaps they will make some progress, as an organization.

I'm hoping they do. Regardless of how the situation with Barry plays out.
 
It's funny how there is a thread about official drinks and snacks in the midst of all this talk and demand for change. I see it all being very realistic.....I'm slightly crazy though:smile-us-down:

You have to take into account who is starting those threads and what they really add to the forums.
 
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