'Unofficial'..... USA Mosconi Cup Points list tightening up

Nice to see the top three points leaders are not full sponsored like every other year. Good for them. Johnnyt
 
Geez, the frequent bias against Mike Dechaine on this forum is getting a bit stale with me.

Obviously, Van Boening is America's best player today. After Shane, however, Dechaine is as deserving as anybody to be on our Mosconi Cup team. Mike, based on his AZB player profile, has finished 9th or better in 23 of the last 27 events he has entered. In the first half of 2011, he won the Ultimate 10 ball and the George Sansouci Memorial against very tough fields. He also played brilliantly in the US Open 10-ball event in May, including a memorable 8-0 shutout of Archer.

Mike is, by far, America's best young player and has, without question, become one of American pool's superstars. Why he so often finds disfavor with the obviously knowledgeable constituency here at AZB is absolutely beyond me.

Mike's not in Shane's class for sure, and I'm not saying he's a better player than the other dozen or so elite American players, but he's on a par with them, and he's a player who has been in dead stroke in 2011.

At least in my estimation, he belongs on the American Mosconi Cup team.
 
Rick S. said:
Some were changed because of the economy...made them all US events.
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This statement concerns me!

Rule changes mid season or point changes amount to manipulation.

I am truly hoping Earl and Mike Dechaine make it despite the overwhelming forces working against them!!!!!!

Lets see there was only 2 usa points events left before change!!!!!

Now

There is 4 usa points events after change!!!!

KD

http://azbilliards.com/2000storya.php?storynum=8354

Can you see how what was a LOCK with the old schedule is now more up in the air. Must be nice to always have second chances!!!!!!!! And friends in HIGH places!!!!
 
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hmmmm

I don't see this past weekend's tourny on this list either....?? Maybe it wasn't a 'point event'?

Someone in the chat mentioned that it was a point tournament...Now, I'm questioning if it was or not?

Who knows?
 
sjm said:
Geez, the frequent bias against Mike Dechaine on this forum is getting a bit stale with me.

Obviously, Van Boening is America's best player today. After Shane, however, Dechaine is as deserving as anybody to be on our Mosconi Cup team. Mike, based on his AZB player profile, has finished 9th or better in 23 of the last 27 events he has entered. In the first half of 2011, he won the Ultimate 10 ball and the George Sansouci Memorial against very tough fields. He also played brilliantly in the US Open 10-ball event in May, including a memorable 8-0 shutout of Archer.

Mike is, by far, America's best young player and has, without question, become one of American pool's superstars. Why he so often finds disfavor with the obviously knowledgeable constituency here at AZB is absolutely beyond me.

Mike's not in Shane's class for sure, and I'm not saying he's a better player than the other dozen or so elite American players, but he's on a par with them, and he's a player who has been in dead stroke in 2011.

At least in my estimation, he belongs on the American Mosconi Cup team.
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I could not agree more. Mike Dechaine is only 24 and is already in the top 10 or 20 in the world IMO. Mike is coming up fast. Give it a few years and I think he will definitely be the best around hands down. Just my 0.02
 
sjm said:
Geez, the frequent bias against Mike Dechaine on this forum is getting a bit stale with me.

Obviously, Van Boening is America's best player today. After Shane, however, Dechaine is as deserving as anybody to be on our Mosconi Cup team. Mike, based on his AZB player profile, has finished 9th or better in 23 of the last 27 events he has entered. In the first half of 2011, he won the Ultimate 10 ball and the George Sansouci Memorial against very tough fields. He also played brilliantly in the US Open 10-ball event in May, including a memorable 8-0 shutout of Archer.

Mike is, by far, America's best young player and has, without question, become one of American pool's superstars. Why he so often finds disfavor with the obviously knowledgeable constituency here at AZB is absolutely beyond me.

Mike's not in Shane's class for sure, and I'm not saying he's a better player than the other dozen or so elite American players, but he's on a par with them, and he's a player who has been in dead stroke in 2011.

At least in my estimation, he belongs on the American Mosconi Cup team.
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Talent perhaps on an individual level but does he get along with the other players? Loading a team full of that moment's superstars hasn't proven to work too well for the Americans as the team chemistry has been poor.

I don't know Mike. I've never seen him shoot in person. Might be the greatest guy in the world. For the live streams I have watched of him and what I have heard of his association with other players, he may not be the best team player to consider.

Does he want & desire to play in the Mosconi Cup?

Golf's Ryder Cup is still the best example of chemistry (Europe) and lack of (USA). Tiger and Phil are absolute poison for the team but how do you deny one of the top two players (at that time)?

When it comes to picking from the top 20 players currently, I'll take five shooters that are cohesive with each other every time rather than who is considered to be the top 5. The cohesive bunch is going to come out ahead more often than not. The Europeans have only been displaying this strategy successfully for the last 15 years in golf and that trend is starting to develop in the Mosconi Cup.

USA should have won in 2006, should have really won in 2007, and shouldn't have been blown out in 2008. 2009 was a big win with better team chemistry and last year was just a good European team to lose to.

Unless SVB's game falters sometime in the near future, he should be on every Mosconi team for the next 15 years regardless where he ends up in the top 20.
 
Derek said:
Talent perhaps on an individual level but does he get along with the other players? Loading a team full of that moment's superstars hasn't proven to work too well for the Americans as the team chemistry has been poor.

I don't know Mike. I've never seen him shoot in person. Might be the greatest guy in the world. For the live streams I have watched of him and what I have heard of his association with other players, he may not be the best team player to consider.

Does he want & desire to play in the Mosconi Cup?

Golf's Ryder Cup is still the best example of chemistry (Europe) and lack of (USA). Tiger and Phil are absolute poison for the team but how do you deny one of the top two players (at that time)?

When it comes to picking from the top 20 players currently, I'll take five shooters that are cohesive with each other every time rather than who is considered to be the top 5. The cohesive bunch is going to come out ahead more often than not. The Europeans have only been displaying this strategy successfully for the last 15 years in golf and that trend is starting to develop in the Mosconi Cup.

USA should have won in 2006, should have really won in 2007, and shouldn't have been blown out in 2008. 2009 was a big win with better team chemistry and last year was just a good European team to lose to.

Unless SVB's game falters sometime in the near future, he should be on every Mosconi team for the next 15 years regardless where he ends up in the top 20.
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Thanks for your reply. I'll admit I had only considered Mike's game, not whether he would blend in with other teammates. I really have no idea how he would fit in, though, as he's the new kid in town and has never played on a Mosconi Cup team.

Still, I persist in my view that on AZB, Mike's game gets too little respect.
 
sjm said:
Geez, the frequent bias against Mike Dechaine on this forum is getting a bit stale with me.

Obviously, Van Boening is America's best player today. After Shane, however, Dechaine is as deserving as anybody to be on our Mosconi Cup team. Mike, based on his AZB player profile, has finished 9th or better in 23 of the last 27 events he has entered. In the first half of 2011, he won the Ultimate 10 ball and the George Sansouci Memorial against very tough fields. He also played brilliantly in the US Open 10-ball event in May, including a memorable 8-0 shutout of Archer.

Mike is, by far, America's best young player and has, without question, become one of American pool's superstars. Why he so often finds disfavor with the obviously knowledgeable constituency here at AZB is absolutely beyond me.

Mike's not in Shane's class for sure, and I'm not saying he's a better player than the other dozen or so elite American players, but he's on a par with them, and he's a player who has been in dead stroke in 2011.

At least in my estimation, he belongs on the American Mosconi Cup team.
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I agree with all the above. Johnnyt
 
sjm said:
Thanks for your reply. I'll admit I had only considered Mike's game, not whether he would blend in with other teammates. I really have no idea how he would fit in, though, as he's the new kid in town and has never played on a Mosconi Cup team.

Still, I persist in my view that on AZB, Mike's game gets too little respect.
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I always like seeing new blood on the team. I remember the first time Shane was on the team, and then Dennis' first time as well was fun to watch. I have a feeling that Mike is going to get there, with his point lead at the time of this writing. It will be exciting for sure! :smile:
 
brandoncook26 said:
I really didn't want Earl to be there because he absolutely destroys team chemistry. However, with the mess that the ABP has stirred up, I am starting to want Earl on the team. Mainly I just want to see which of the guys that said they would boycott this event if Earl got in are actually willing to give up $10,000 out of principle. My guess is none.

I'm guessing if the top three stays as it is, the two chosen spots will go to Archer and Van Boening. That seems to be what they usually choose. I think Corey might end up getting in on points. It looks like Dechaine is a virtual lock to make it, especially with how he's been playing.
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I think shane would still play but not sure about the others..Shane has said before he likes earl. Now would they give up 10,000 I think they would cause there botcotting the us open and chance at 40,000.
 
billiardspro said:
I think shane would still play but not sure about the others..Shane has said before he likes earl. Now would they give up 10,000 I think they would cause there botcotting the us open and chance at 40,000.
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If any player boycotts the MC that has the points to go because Earl or anyone else is going should be banned from playing in the cup forever. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
If any player boycotts the MC that has the points to go because Earl or anyone else is going should be banned from playing in the cup forever. Johnnyt
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I can't see that happening. What is the payout for the teams?
 
The difference is the players are boycotting the US Open because of the late payouts and not getting their money. The players that have said they wouldn't play the MC have done so to oppose Earl playing. The money is not in question. They know if they are invited they are guaranteed a payday of at least $10k. They don't have to play well for the money, it is a sure thing.

That's why I said, even though some said they would boycott, I don't think anyone is giving up a guaranteed payday regardless of who else is on the team. They don't have to play into the money, they're getting paid and they know it.
 
sjm said:
Thanks for your reply. I'll admit I had only considered Mike's game, not whether he would blend in with other teammates. I really have no idea how he would fit in, though, as he's the new kid in town and has never played on a Mosconi Cup team.

Still, I persist in my view that on AZB, Mike's game gets too little respect.
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I couldn't agree more, Stu.
Mike is playing as good as it gets right now and he seems to be really maturing as well. The last few times I have watched him I've been really impressed by his demeanor. Very respectful and humble.
 
Rick S. said:
After the Seminole tournament this past weekend it seems we are going to have a real run for the money to make the 2011 Mosconi Cup Team.

Top 3 players w/most points are IN automatically. Matchroom Sports picks the remaining 2 members.

Seems the Seminole Tour lists the payouts thru 20th place. Points are awarded through 32 places. I'm not sure if Corey, and Shane placed in between the 21st and 32nd spot? If they did, they have a few more points than showing here.

Biggest change was Earl vaulting from the 7th spot up to the number 2 slot with a 3rd place finish.

1. Mike Dechaine ............. 465 points
2. Earl Strickland...............390 points
3. Dennis Hatch................380 points
4. Shane Van....................375 points
4. Corey Duel....................375 points
6. Charlie Williams..............363.5 points
7. Mike Davis....................347 points
8. Shawn Putnam..............310 points
9. Stevie Moore................279 points
10. Johnny Archer...............217.5 points


Who's going to Las Vegas..???? Who's staying home this year?
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I didn't think that the Seminole Event this past week was a Mosconi Cup Ranking Event just a BCA one. As I understood it the Mosconi Events are:

Steve Mizerak Championship 4-7 November
Turning Stone Winter 16-19 December
The Masters 1-5 March
Players Championship, Valley Forge 13-16 March
Ultimate 10 Ball Championship 21-24 April
US Open 10 Ball Championship 16-21 May
Seminole Tour Event 3 5-7 August
Turning Stone Summer 8-11 September
Seminole Tour Event 5, Steve Mizerak Championship 16-18 September
The US Open 9-Ball Championship 16-22 October
 
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