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The problem comes down to Barry promising more prize money than he can actually guarantee. Barry should analyze his up-front financial risk based on his decades of past tournament experience, determine how much he is willing to actually put in escrow, and make that the full prize fund. Obviously it will be lower than in previous years, but the players will be trading away a richer prize fund for guaranteed immediate pay-outs. And if the tournament does better than expected, Barry will reap the increased profit.
 
maybe Barry should look into taking away paying the past champions entrys. That would save him 10 to 15k! Plus its most of those guys on the list that are complaining about not getting paid on time and they have half of the costs that other players have,
 
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Rich R. said:
In addition to the money in escrow, the ABP wants their members seeded to give them a better chance at winning a share of that prize money.

If there was a lot of money in pool, the money in escrow would not be a problem. However, we all know there is no money in pool. Promoters, including Barry, need the gate money and entry fees to pay prizes. They do not have the money laying around to put in escrow.

The players should be getting together to help promoters, not threatening them with boycotts.

If the ABP thinks it is so easy to promote an event and raise the prize money for an escrow account, why aren't they doing it themselves? No, they rather sit back and make a lot of demands and threaten promoters.
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You are right on the money with your statements.The APB seems to have no clue at all with what they are doing. It actually seems comical, they are acting like they are dealing with billionaire promoters. They have to know that the gate depends alot on the $ being paid in a timely fashion.With the stupidity of how they are approaching this how many spectators want to spend their time and money to see disgruntled players.I read a statement from them that says they need to protect the future for the up and coming stars.I would like to be the 1st. to tell them the future is NOW! Unless another Hustler/Color of Money film comes out the future is dim. APB , BUILD on what you HAVE, do not try to rip it apart there may be no tomorrow and quit reading the sports pages you are not in the NFL.
 
Barry and ABP have first meeting

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justnum...BS! It is BB's show, and the players will have to play by HIS rules, not their's. As long as he pays the players, in a timely manner, he can post whatever rules he wants, and I absolutely guarantee you that EVERYONE will be there to play...well maybe not Archer. I will say that I was distressed to read okinawarob's post about changes in payouts occuring during the tournament itself. IMO that is wrong, and Barry should not be able to get away with it. Whatever payouts and rules are posted at the start of the event should stand...but they're still Barry's rules, not the players.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

justnum said:
if he wants the players he will have to play by the rules they set.
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OK, fine. So the ABP players are on strike.
Here's how to turn it around:
BB can now announce with regret that NONE of the ABP will be present.

Of course, we think there are plenty of those big name players planning to play anyway.
Sorry, Darren and co., you're all on strike. You'll have to talk to Johnny the shop steward.

A number of pissed off pool players resign from the ABP, as it does nothing but get them banned from the biggest events.

The logical conclusion is that the ABP vanishes (or becomes pragmatic...hey, we can hope, right?) and the US Open happens with the best players there.

-tim
 
justnum said:
You are right it is BB's show, and BB doesn't have a show without players, he just provides the set.

Saying one group has more power over the other is an argument that accomplishes nothing. The groups should work cooperatively.

ABP chose to put players together, while Barry uses a technique to divide and conquer them. Both the choices illustrate their distinctive styles of management.

Though the ABP does have the advantage of knowing all of Barry's excuses and how he talks about changing frequently. While Barry hasn't dealt with a boycott, unless the WPBA "girlcott" counts.

Why did they not play prior to 2010 in Barry's events?
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I am curious though, what happens to a player who plays? Does he get thrown out of the organization, beat up, sanctioned? I doubt they even have the power to control their own players much less a guy like Barry. I see the players jumping ship if this is not resolved and playing anyway? This organization will go the way of all the others and be yesterdays news. They have bitten off more then they can chew.

Truth is, most of the players on the list don't matter to the fans. There are a few superstars who people really would like to see but the rest are "who cares" they can't even win the tournament anyway and are not really a draw. Who really cares if they play or not. They don't have the bargaining power they think they do. They can stay home and new stars will emerge to take their places that's the choice. I think he also should cut out the free entries for past champions.
 
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macguy said:
I am curious though, what happens to a player who plays? Does he get thrown out of the organization, beat up, sanctioned? I doubt they even have the power to control their own players much less a guy like Barry. I see the players jumping ship if this is not resolved and playing anyway? This organization will go the way of all the others and be yesterdays news. They have bitten off more then they can chew.

Truth is, most of the players on the list don't matter to the fans. There are a few superstars who people really would like to see but the rest are "who cares" they can't even win the tournament anyway and are not really a draw. Who really cares if they play or not. They don't have the bargaining power they think they do. They can stay home and new stars will emerge to take their places that's the choice. I think he also should cut out the free entries for past champions.
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X2, hear, hear
 
justnum...There's just one thing you're forgetting. The US Open has always had at least 150 players (for the last 15-20 years anyway), and several times over 200. The ABP lists less than 50 members. Barry has plenty of players without them. Yes, lots of them are "stars", but that doesn't cut it, as far I'm concerned. I think macguy's post is right on the money. Those ABP pros need Barry a lot more than he needs them. I do agree that they should work together collectively to accomplish mutual goals. I just don't think this idea of a boycott was well thought out.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

justnum said:
You are right it is BB's show, and BB doesn't have a show without players, he just provides the set.

Saying one group has more power over the other is an argument that accomplishes nothing. The groups should work cooperatively.
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Since when is trying to work two (or three) "angles" that unusual, nor necessarily bad business practice? A CEO has to juggle a lot of personalities and egos, to make a company run smoothly. It's only natural that Barry would be trying to please all sides. We're not apart on the core issues...just how they might be solved.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

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But instead he chose to be their friend and try to workout a deal. He should've let them know who is boss up front, but he is trying to work both angles, trying to keep his vendors happy.
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Look, if I decide to put up $600 entry fee to a tournament that has an ADVERTISED $25K 1st place prize money. I pay the entry fee, show up (travel, Hotel. Meal expenses, etc....)
I play well and win, you are damn right I expect to be handed a check for $25K at the close of the tournament (case closed period)
Barry is making a business decision in promoting/running the US Open 9Ball Championships. Will Barry give the players bonus checks if the ticket sales & Vendors make Barry a nice profit on the event? (NO)
So why would anyone expect the players to wait on THEIR MONEY if the tournament looses money?
As I said above this is a Business decision by Barry Berman to have the US Open 9Ball Championships, if he makes a sweet profit good for Barry and if the tournament looses money tough luck (that's business) take out a loan, sell off some pool tables, do what ever you have to do to pay off the players no excuses.............................................
 
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