Uh oh. Berhman/ABP
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She was rich well before she worked for APA-at least a decade.
I've been in a state of Deja Vu over the whole situation, reminds me a lot of the UPA Contract issues with Barry and all promoters around 10 years ago. What does that tell us?
Wait a minute, are telling us that the same old tired approach won't work this time around? How can you be so sure?
No No... I totally agree, Jeanette has made alot of money from the sport and through her own self promoting. I met her a long time ago, through mutual pro women players and I know she is well off. Attitude and disposition is a big reason why the women players are still there on TV, with sponsorships, and being offered the money. But talking to her at a local pool hall last year when she was doing an APA exhibition, she was getting $20 for a race to 3 and a signed picture from the members. $5 for a picture, not to mention she gets paid a decent sum for just going out to the shows. She makes a great income being a face for Pool Players.
Nope, sorry to burst this bubble, but Jeanette made her fortune scuffling around bars playing dead beats for $5 - $20 per game. Why can't you guys understand this? No one ever made any money promoting themselves! That's just unthinkable, really. Every now and then, she found a backer and made a "score" of around $5000, which she then frittered away in the casino. Now THAT's a pool player for you!
Jason...Well to be a bit more accurate, not that she has not continually marketed herself over the years, but Jeanette is represented by Octagon, which is a BIG agency, representing many celebrities (sports and others). That goes a long way in making her as recognizable as she is. They got her the contract with Bass Sports, and some other companies that she represents. She is, imo, a perfect fit for the APA.
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
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Hmmmm. That's a specific name right there, hint hint hint! Perhaps more players should inquire about the services rendered by Octagon and others like it.
Promote, advertise, promote, advertise, etc...
Ah, but wait. To do that you have to create an image, and uphold that image. Are they ready to do that? Jeanette Lee has showed the way for years, how many have attempted to follow her lead?
Of course jeanette lee is more recognizeable world wide. The APA is the AMERICAN poolplayers association. They also include the Canadian PA and the Japanese PA, but yeah, not so much worldwide marketing of a US-mainly organization. :grin:
That and the APA isn't a MILF, so it's not as nice to look at.
That list may be true for dollars spent, but how about brand recognition? I think Coke is #1 in the world for that. Nike also. Show a kid in India or Iraq a GE or Verizon logo or washer and they'll scratch their head, a Coke can, Martians that visit Earth will be asking for one.
A bit more on topic, I was on the fence about who to support, after the terms that the player's rejected (basically they were told that they'd own the US Open if they were failed to be paid), I'm very much on Barry's side.
I'd like to have a post on their official site on the tournament their members are playing in now, and will play, and what the money in escrow is there as well as seeding and whatever else they are demanding of the US Open.
Just about every player interview they get asked what is the tournament you are most proud of winning or want to win, somehow the answer used to be almost always the US Open. Bit odd for something they are now boycotting.
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Lou...Actually the numbers are put out by the SGMA, not the BCA. As far as my stats, about 'hard core players'...that comes from many years of traveling all over the country, and seeing how pool leagues operate in small town USA. I'm not that far off. There are FAR more small local independent pool leagues than there are sanctioned league players...and there are 400K of those.
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
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Jeanette makes plent of money from doing the APA work. Bottom line, the APA is a huge source of money in the billiards world, which she is getting a substantial part of it. I would know, my father owned a franchise for quite a while.
hang-the-9...I agree, and that bit about Martians is probably true! LOL
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Of course jeanette lee is more recognizeable world wide. The APA is the AMERICAN poolplayers association. They also include the Canadian PA and the Japanese PA, but yeah, not so much worldwide marketing of a US-mainly organization. :grin:
That and the APA isn't a MILF, so it's not as nice to look at.
Hot chicks = marketing. The hospital I work at got in some hot water for using models in malls getting swabs for the organ donor registry. They broke the record for collections by like 1,000%.
Well, at least Florian is one who seems to get it. Observe:
"Hi guys!
Has been a long time I haven't post out there so I'll fix that by posting here the link of my new video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbn_F...mment_received
I'm actually really experimentating on this one.I asked myself which new tricks non pool player would enjoy without sacryfing the players. I don't know if I succeed, I will need to check your reactions but all I can say is that I try to do something faster that old tricks, something we may turn to a real show for a large public...You guys let me know what you think "
Here's his new thread (with some great new shots and pizazz)
So, at least someone is out there trying to get some new fans interested!
"Hi guys!
Has been a long time I haven't post out there so I'll fix that by posting here the link of my new video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbn_F...mment_received
I'm actually really experimentating on this one.I asked myself which new tricks non pool player would enjoy without sacryfing the players. I don't know if I succeed, I will need to check your reactions but all I can say is that I try to do something faster that old tricks, something we may turn to a real show for a large public...You guys let me know what you think "
Here's his new thread (with some great new shots and pizazz)
So, at least someone is out there trying to get some new fans interested!
Chris...That's a bit of a stretch imo. The APA (local) generates gross annual revenues of somewhere around $40,000,000*. APA Corporate gets 20% of that as royalty payments. To say that Jeanette is getting a substancial part of $8 million is ludicrous at best. Her salary from APA, although direct #'s are known to only a few, is likely around $100K, which is something probably reasonably close to what they were paying AF. Not really trying to denigrate what you said, which I agree with...but wanting to be a bit more accurate, from a dollars and cents standpoint. Now...how the APA distributes that money...that's a thread for another day! One thing they certainly could do is up the prize money in their national events. In fact, they could triple it right now, and never even miss it!
*edited to reflect accurate gross earnings
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
*edited to reflect accurate gross earnings
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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Actually Mr. Griffin has started such a league, the USAPL.
But in response to your post I guess I'm stuck on trying to understand why existing league players should donate to professional pool, other than sticking their dead money in to open event entries. I would be more open to making a $1 weekly donation to the American Cancer Society, the Red Cross, or some other charity. Professional pool is not a charity, or at least not a deserving one. It just seems to me that if league players are going to be giving money to funding a viable professional tour then it is the league players (and not the league owner or the pro players) who should own the tour and reap any financial rewards.
Now don't get me wrong, I like Marks idea with the USAPL. And one of the things I like about it is that he is doing this with a brand new league rather than "forcing" players in his existing league to donate to funding a professional tour that either he or the pro players would own. I would imagine Mr. Griffin thought of this when starting the USAPL. This way anyone joining the league knows up front this is the deal and those interested in supporting professional pool this way can join and everyone is on the same page.
Having the BCA or APA charge all of it's players $1 week say to help fund a professional tour may be a good way to acquire the capital to start such a business venture but then the investors should reap the rewards if it works. Professional pool is not a charity, it's a business. Business don't have a right to succeed or even exist. If it isn't a viable business or isn't properly managed, maybe it just isn't supposed to exist, as much as some of us would like it to.
