BCA Elections -- Pro Pool Remains Orphaned

Guess who made me realize all this? Pocketpoint. This thread brings back memories. I'm glad to see this thread because I was starting to forget his whole manifesto.

I didn't read many of Pocketpoint's threads. The only thing I remember is that he initiated a lot of threads every day, and he was criticized by many members for it. I began to skip over his threads, as they ended up in flame wars. :frown:

I can assure you, C.Milian, my opinion on this topic remains the same as it has always been, and I initiated this thread due to an article on the Main Page of AzBilliards about the new elections of the BCA Board of Directors.
 
Or as Jimi said

"I believe with the new Board of Directors we will be able to get right to work and continue the momentum established from the previous Board," said Chairman Mike Serra.

"Continue the momentum"? Please, Mike Serra, change course and rescue the professional pool players that the BCA is supposed to be representing. Sheesh!

"The ability for the new BCA Board of Directors to stay focused on the BCA mission and maintain the energy put forth by the out-going Board will ensure that the BCA will continue to move in the right direction."

Mumbo jumbo!

Or as Jimi Hendrix said to a reprorter shortly after Woodstock..."Blah Blah Whoof Whoof"
 
I didn't read many of Pocketpoint's threads. The only thing I remember is that he initiated a lot of threads every day, and he was criticized by many members for it. I began to skip over his threads, as they ended up in flame wars. :frown:

I can assure you, C.Milian, my opinion on this topic remains the same as it has always been, and I initiated this thread due to an article on the Main Page of AzBilliards about the new elections of the BCA Board of Directors.

Although my BCA memories are one of the most cherished......You got my signature. SEEEEEEEEND..IT!
 
One other thing that you're not considering here is who the membership consists of. The BCA's primary focus should be on serving the needs of those who pay membership dues every year. Because the vast majority of these members are manufacturers, retailers and room owners, the BCA focuses on finding ways to help those members. Aside from membership dues, the lion's share of the BCA's revenue comes from the trade show. Their annual reports consistently show that the Expo drives 60-75% of their revenue, with membership dues coming in second.

Any individual can join the BCA as an Affiliate member for 200 bucks per year and have a say in the direction the BCA takes.
 
One other thing that you're not considering here is who the membership consists of. The BCA's primary focus should be on serving the needs of those who pay membership dues every year. Because the vast majority of these members are manufacturers, retailers and room owners, the BCA focuses on finding ways to help those members. Aside from membership dues, the lion's share of the BCA's revenue comes from the trade show. Their annual reports consistently show that the Expo drives 60-75% of their revenue, with membership dues coming in second.

Any individual can join the BCA as an Affiliate member for 200 bucks per year and have a say in the direction the BCA takes.

And you have illustrated my point brilliantly, Mike. Should this BCA be looking out for the interests of professional pool players as the authoritative body to the world pool governing body (WPA) when their primary role is to satisfy their members' business interests? :smile:
 
Where would be the payback for BCA?
The average pool player has no interest in 'professional' pool and will not contribute to it, or pay to watch it.

It is clear that BCA is an industry organization of manufacturers, retailers and room owners.

But what is a 'professional pool player'?
What is a professional pool player's organization to which he must belong to be a 'professional' pool player?

Organizations deal with organizations, not with mobs demanding money.


IMO :D:D:D
 
And you have illustrated my point brilliantly, Mike. Should this BCA be looking out for the interests of professional pool players as the authoritative body to the world pool governing body (WPA) when their primary role is to satisfy their members' business interests? :smile:

Nope. In my opinion the BCA should divorce itself from the WPA. As a dues paying member, I want to see the BCA put 100% of its focus on helping me grow our business. The problem is that there is no one else to take that role. Because there isn't a true organized body for professional pool, there is no one to represent the interests of the pro players. Every time someone tries to create such an organization, it either falls apart or creates its own rifts (as it has with the ABP/US Open Theater of the Absurd).

Until a truly organized organization steps forward, the BCA will really have no choice but to continue as the US rep for the WPA.
 
Nope. In my opinion the BCA should divorce itself from the WPA. As a dues paying member, I want to see the BCA put 100% of its focus on helping me grow our business. The problem is that there is no one else to take that role. Because there isn't a true organized body for professional pool, there is no one to represent the interests of the pro players. Every time someone tries to create such an organization, it either falls apart or creates its own rifts (as it has with the ABP/US Open Theater of the Absurd).

Until a truly organized organization steps forward, the BCA will really have no choice but to continue as the US rep for the WPA.

You know, I've never actually heard it worded this way, but you're right on the money [pun intended]. I agree with your thoughts, 100 percent!
 
Nope. In my opinion the BCA should divorce itself from the WPA. As a dues paying member, I want to see the BCA put 100% of its focus on helping me grow our business. The problem is that there is no one else to take that role. Because there isn't a true organized body for professional pool, there is no one to represent the interests of the pro players. Every time someone tries to create such an organization, it either falls apart or creates its own rifts (as it has with the ABP/US Open Theater of the Absurd).

Until a truly organized organization steps forward, the BCA will really have no choice but to continue as the US rep for the WPA
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This is your calling Jam. Leave some purse marks.
 
This is your calling Jam. Leave some purse marks.

Unlike the ABP, I would never embark on something like this unless I had a management team in place along with a set of strategies to achieve the organizational goals. It's definitely doable, but as long as the BCA is controlling the purse strings, it would be difficult to gain momentum as a new organization with no track record to garner the support needed to pull it off.
 
Great thread guys. Unfortunately our entities have for the most part been self serving. Mike's right though, the BCA for the most part has to serve it's members first or it has no hope of surviving.
 
Any individual can join the BCA as an Affiliate member for 200 bucks per year and have a say in the direction the BCA takes.

Not really. For $200 bucks your are just an associate member. It costs much. much more to become a voting member. The last time I was a voting member it cost $1,000. A voting member has a say and associate does not and if they treat voting member like they did last time I was a voting member I don't want anything to do with them at all...... I loved how they handled the BOD votes the last time I was a member. They had 2 opening for new people and about 20? people applied. However they have a voting committee and that committee only accepted 2 people you could vote for to become members... Just a little unfair, inept and rigged, IMO.
 
Great thread guys. Unfortunately our entities have for the most part been self serving. Mike's right though, the BCA for the most part has to serve it's members first or it has no hope of surviving.

The irony of that is they take from their members and give little or nothing directly effecting their Room Memebers bottom line. The BCA All American Tour is a perfect example. Room members were paying $150 a year, and the member numbers were substantial (4-500 hundered) in the early 2000's when the BCA moved to C/Spgs. The annual budget for the Tour was $46,000 which included advertising. Ironically at that time, there were two billiard magazine owners on the board and they both had Full Page Colored ads, promoting the venues (conflict of interest come to mind?). Even back then, the cost was easily $1,000 for the ad, and here we have two mags and these mags have monthly issues. I proposed (I ran that tour/2 yrs) to half the amount utilized for national advertising and support our room members by guaranteeing $1,000 added to their venues, from there we would of increased room membership drastically, guarantee added dollars just as long as member room operators would show proof of advertising locally in their area for an Up and Coming BCA All Am Tour....+++.... I wanted to develop a national ranking system within this tour and take it from there. When I proposed this to the executive director as a way to save the BCA bank account $23,000 a yr I was told, ''we can't do that''?
In this life, you give and you get.
BCA, pick the friuit and GET the bounty, but don't ever tend to your orchard. At this point, the trees in the orchard are dying and losing their flavor. Where is red 3 ball apple at anyways? :)
 
-The BCA has been around since the late 40s (60 plus years) To help run qualifiers for USA 14.1 championship

-The BCA use to own the 14.1 USA Championships tournament

-The BCA started leagues in the 70s, sold the league in 2005 to Mark Griffin and still going strong

-Now it is called the BCAPL and doesn't have anything to do with the Billiard Congress of America. And still going and growning strong.

-The BCA started running trade shows/conventions where only room owners and retail outlets for billiard equipment could attend. I went to a couple, last one in Nashville and first one in Louisville.

-No leagues and no tournaments, just trade shows and a fund for sending needy Pro players (not just USA players but forien players also) on road trips overseas.

Other than that, the BCA is a very positive institution and only does positive functions for their business. They are a non-profit organization and represent the USA for the World Pool Association.

Do they have to be active in the day to day tournament/player/league/promoter operations? IMO it would make their standing the pool world more acceptable.

But, I am not a Board Member.
 
Not really. For $200 bucks your are just an associate member. It costs much. much more to become a voting member. The last time I was a voting member it cost $1,000. A voting member has a say and associate does not and if they treat voting member like they did last time I was a voting member I don't want anything to do with them at all...... I loved how they handled the BOD votes the last time I was a member. They had 2 opening for new people and about 20? people applied. However they have a voting committee and that committee only accepted 2 people you could vote for to become members... Just a little unfair, inept and rigged, IMO.

Unless you're a large distributor/manufacturer, it doesn't cost more than a few hundo regardless of what your company does. Here's the rate breakdown:

Category 1 (Manufacturer/Distributor)
_ (Annual Revenues >$3 Million)...................$1,500
_ (Annual Revenues $1-$3 Million)...................$750
_ (Annual Revenues < $1 Million)....................$400
Category 2 (Retailer)
_ (1 Retail Location)...............................$200
_ (2 Retail Locations) .............................$300
_ (3+ Retail Locations).............................$400
_ (Online Retailer) ................................$250
Category 3 (Room Operator)
_ (1 or 2 Locations) ...............................$300
_ (3+ Locations)....................................$500
Category 4 (Affiliate) .............................$200
 
So are you saying that they changed it to: Any membership category has voting rights on policy and/or who can be on the BOD and and anyone in any membership category can be on the BOD?

Unless you're a large distributor/manufacturer, it doesn't cost more than a few hundo regardless of what your company does. Here's the rate breakdown:

Category 1 (Manufacturer/Distributor)
_ (Annual Revenues >$3 Million)...................$1,500
_ (Annual Revenues $1-$3 Million)...................$750
_ (Annual Revenues < $1 Million)....................$400
Category 2 (Retailer)
_ (1 Retail Location)...............................$200
_ (2 Retail Locations) .............................$300
_ (3+ Retail Locations).............................$400
_ (Online Retailer) ................................$250
Category 3 (Room Operator)
_ (1 or 2 Locations) ...............................$300
_ (3+ Locations)....................................$500
Category 4 (Affiliate) .............................$200
 
I’ve been attending the trade show for many years. Over that span, I’ve seen attendance (both in terms of vendors and attendees) drop precipitously. It’s safe to say that it’s on life support and will die if something doesn’t change soon. It’ll be very interesting to see how the show in Chicago goes next year.

The organization has changed a lot over the past decade or so. The previous CEO (Ducoff) was a bit weak. His replacement (Rob Johnson) is strong, but the organization- such as it is, isn’t. Irony, anyone?

As others in this thread have rightly suggested, the Billiards Congress of America exists to serve its members first and foremost. Promotion of the sport, in-and-of-itself, as noble as it sounds, is not its prime directive. One could argue that there is a tangential promotional effect to be gained (for the industry as a whole) if the directive is met. But promoting the sport of pool specifically is not its mandate.

Man, if I had a dime for every time someone said, “We need an organization that helps the pros of our sport”! I’ve spoken to more than a handful of well-intention entrepreneurial-types who've wanted to try over the years. But, they eventually throw up their hands and ask, “What’s the point?”

An unfortunate reality that few want to admit about pool is that amateurs care little about pros and pros care NOTHING about amateurs (unless they’ve got cash in their pocket)! You might say that it’s a reverse symbiotic relationship- one in which neither benefits from the existence of the other. In that unhealthy regard, pool professionals could learn a LOT from professionals from other sports.

Most (operative word obviously- I know there are exceptions) pros in pool have always (and probably always will) promoted themselves to the exclusion and detriment of the whole. Everyone is looking for an angle, or someone with deep pockets (hello Mr. Trudeau) to be the savior. The sad reality; the former never pans out and the later eventually wises up.

To those (particularly within this thread) who lament that the BCA doesn’t do enough to support professional pool, I say this: No one expects the AA to help people who aren’t ready to be helped. And no one should expect the BCA to bend over backward promoting people who refuse to cooperate with those footing the bill, who won’t abide by a set of “standards of conduct” (like no gambling in public), and who just happen to participate in a TV-unfriendly sport. Especially when the only things to be gained are frustration, potential lawsuits, and empty bank accounts.

Is there someone (or something) out there that can corral cats? Perhaps. But they’d better have pockets as deep as Trudeau's, the character of a saint, the patience of Job, and the best lawyers in town...

(Note to anyone who actually read through all of the above drivel: I didn’t have time to proof, so please don’t hammer me over grammar and/or spelling.)
 
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