great players from mexico

jrhendy said:
He might have been the best of the Mexican players before Rafael came along. He matched up pretty well and was kind of undercover, but he could really play all games. He also was a very good three cushion player.

A very happy guy and fun to be around in the pool room. Another good player lost too soon.
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Hi, John,

He hung around northern California for a year or two around 1980. He won a 3C tournament in Yolo against a pretty strong field, and he finished 2nd or 3rd in the big tournament in San Francisco in 1980 in a field that included Sigel, Hall, Varner, David Howard, etc.
 
jrhendy said:
He might have been the best of the Mexican players before Rafael came along. He matched up pretty well and was kind of undercover, but he could really play all games. He also was a very good three cushion player.

A very happy guy and fun to be around in the pool room. Another good player lost too soon.
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Helio played all games well. He was always smiling. I traveled with him a couple of times. Some of us called him "El Mariachi" He liked to sing and did that well also.
Johnny, you've been around us so long that you could be an honorary Mexican player too. You should be speaking fluent Spanish by now.
And for you Mexpoolplayer (Oscar), yes I'm from the place that your dad is from. Who knows we might be related somehow.
 
Chesscat said:
I guess you are an idiot, or have a stupid sense of humor. Do you often find yourself telling jokes and no one laughs? Well, it's your fault.

Re best Mexican player, in the first place you have to distinguish between Bernardo Chavez (King Kong) and Ignacio Chavez, aka Jessie, Mexico, El Mago, etc. Two different people, and Ignacio played much better. Although the fact is, Ignacio had two different careers or stages. When he was in Houston for example, he had to ask for the 8 from Davey G, then say about 2008 in the Derby City Classic he beat Davey G 8 ahead in less than an hour. Ignacio had his weaknesses, he was not a great racker, that is, he didn't master how to put the rack on you, and he was not a great breaker. But he had some notable wins, in '09 he beat Tony Watson in Florida, he won and then lost to Keith Bennett in Florida, he beat Tony Crosby in Florida. But then he really started on a roll. He beat Darren Appleton straight up in Clifton, NJ, race to 21, and then then beat Darren Appleton with the 9 at Master's in Queens. He beat Warren Kiamco with the 9 at Master's. I understand, on very good authority, that he beat John Schmidt playing even 10-ball at Clifton's. Ignacio won the all-around in Atlanta in about '09 with Stevie Moore Sean Putnam and John Schmidt in the field. Ignacio was never a great bettor, in the sense of matching up, and he never had a great break. He almost won a huge tournament in Nicaragua a couple of years ago, but he's now 55 and has diabetes, so his game is up and down. I forgot to mention that a couple of years ago he beat Jeremy Jones with Ignacio having the 9 for 5k. Ignacio played good once he hit 50, kind of unusual. I'd have liked to see him and Bartrum play, and they almost did after the Mike Janus tournament in Atlanta. Whether Ignacio was better than Ernesto, when Ignacio was at his best, is an open question. I think now, Ernesto's son is too strong with those young eyes and young heart. Ignacio at his best was better than Ismael Paez, in my opinion, though I like Ismael. But like all pool players, or almost all, Ignacio is destined to be forgotten, except by the few who were thrilled by his play and choose to remember. He controlled the cue ball like almost no other (Efren and some others excepted), and watching him was like watching a great artist paint an exceptional canvas.
One more thing, his performance at the straight pool in '09, where he beat Thorsten Hohman and other world champions straight up, and I assure you, Ignacio didn't even play straight pool. But he was a monster.
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I thought it was funny. I chuckled. You are a jerk for calling someone an idiot.
 
Javier Franco was from Mexico and has lived in Houston for many years.

He rarely played on his own money but was a great Tourney player.

Always a threat. Very strong short stop but not a World Champion.
 
Isn't Rafael Martinez actually a first and middle name, His last name Gonzales or something similiar? I have seen him have to use his last name in some tournaments.
 
dabarbr said:
Helio played all games well. He was always smiling. I traveled with him a couple of times. Some of us called him "El Mariachi" He liked to sing and did that well also.
Johnny, you've been around us so long that you could be an honorary Mexican player too. You should be speaking fluent Spanish by now.
And for you Mexpoolplayer (Oscar), yes I'm from the place that your dad is from. Who knows we might be related somehow.
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When there was a lot of action on the 6 x 12 in Hard Times, sometimes I would be the only gringo left in the game with Morro, Ernesto, Little Al and Francisco Galindo.

I told them they could call me Juanito Hernandez from Zacatecas.
 
Chesscat said:
I guess you are an idiot, or have a stupid sense of humor. Do you often find yourself telling jokes and no one laughs? Well, it's your fault.

Re best Mexican player, in the first place you have to distinguish between Bernardo Chavez (King Kong) and Ignacio Chavez, aka Jessie, Mexico, El Mago, etc. Two different people, and Ignacio played much better. Although the fact is, Ignacio had two different careers or stages. When he was in Houston for example, he had to ask for the 8 from Davey G, then say about 2008 in the Derby City Classic he beat Davey G 8 ahead in less than an hour. Ignacio had his weaknesses, he was not a great racker, that is, he didn't master how to put the rack on you, and he was not a great breaker. But he had some notable wins, in '09 he beat Tony Watson in Florida, he won and then lost to Keith Bennett in Florida, he beat Tony Crosby in Florida. But then he really started on a roll. He beat Darren Appleton straight up in Clifton, NJ, race to 21, and then then beat Darren Appleton with the 9 at Master's in Queens. He beat Warren Kiamco with the 9 at Master's. I understand, on very good authority, that he beat John Schmidt playing even 10-ball at Clifton's. Ignacio won the all-around in Atlanta in about '09 with Stevie Moore Sean Putnam and John Schmidt in the field. Ignacio was never a great bettor, in the sense of matching up, and he never had a great break. He almost won a huge tournament in Nicaragua a couple of years ago, but he's now 55 and has diabetes, so his game is up and down. I forgot to mention that a couple of years ago he beat Jeremy Jones with Ignacio having the 9 for 5k. Ignacio played good once he hit 50, kind of unusual. I'd have liked to see him and Bartrum play, and they almost did after the Mike Janus tournament in Atlanta. Whether Ignacio was better than Ernesto, when Ignacio was at his best, is an open question. I think now, Ernesto's son is too strong with those young eyes and young heart. Ignacio at his best was better than Ismael Paez, in my opinion, though I like Ismael. But like all pool players, or almost all, Ignacio is destined to be forgotten, except by the few who were thrilled by his play and choose to remember. He controlled the cue ball like almost no other (Efren and some others excepted), and watching him was like watching a great artist paint an exceptional canvas.
One more thing, his performance at the straight pool in '09, where he beat Thorsten Hohman and other world champions straight up, and I assure you, Ignacio didn't even play straight pool. But he was a monster.
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Yea when i was a kid He wasnt that great of a player..He lost to a lot of ppl playing in Houston..Thats around 99-2000--Then he went to the east coast and I swear he just improved 4 balls in the next 10 years..It is crazy that from 40 to 50 years old is when he started playing the best..
 
Hungarian Nut said:
Javier Franco was from Mexico and has lived in Houston for many years.

He rarely played on his own money but was a great Tourney player.

Always a threat. Very strong short stop but not a World Champion.
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How can someone call Hu a name for no reason? I can see me, but sweet little HU who is always quick to give his frank and earnest opinion?...dosen't make sense.
 
thuglife520 said:
It has been downhill since SB1070..Mexicans frowned upon and we are left with Oscar Dominguez. You all quote old timers...Mexican pool is strong just no $$$$ and the risk of deportation/ shay whitey..not worth the haul from Mexico..cause not all of them coming over to work for $7.oo hr.

I agree though the SW should be full of mexican american hustlaz, just not the economic climate though...ask Obama
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What is SB1070? Never heard of it.
 
jrhendy said:
There was another Red Headed Mexican player that showed up in the late 70's/early 80's that was a terrific player. Called Cannela or something like that.
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I have a source (whom is related to Canelo) that tells me that he despises being called this moniker and the man first name is actually Juan.
 
Hungarian Nut said:
Javier Franco was from Mexico and has lived in Houston for many years.

He rarely played on his own money but was a great Tourney player.

Always a threat. Very strong short stop but not a World Champion.
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Javier came to California for a couple McDermott tournaments the year after he was the McDermott Tour points leader.

He did play much better in tournaments. I gambled with him at Bucktooths. Not much of an action man and not any fun to match up with. Serious as a heart attack for a $50 set.
 
was kind of funny . . .

C.Milian said:
How can someone call Hu a name for no reason? I can see me, but sweet little HU who is always quick to give his frank and earnest opinion?...dosen't make sense.
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I get called a lot of names but not by strangers. I figured it was probably one of the folks with multiple personality disorders on here writing under one of their many aliases.

I am impressed that you called me sweet. Assuming you are under eighty you are the first person under eighty to refer to me that way that I can recall. Heck you might be the first person to refer to me that way since I learned how to walk and talk. I do meet most people halfway or a little more, so nice people like yourself usually think well of me. Met the other party outside a courtroom after winning a civil case years ago and they told me I was the biggest something or another they had ever seen. I told them I considered it quite a compliment coming from someone with such expert and intimate knowledge of the subject. I meet that type of person halfway and a bit more too, not sure that is what the priest meant when he delivered the sermon to an impressionable youth long decades ago! :D :D :D

Oh yeah, to keep things slightly on topic, Becky was the best Mexican pool player I ever played. A lady with a lot of talent!

Hu
 
I understand Ignacio Chavez has been and still is a very good player. He plays and matches up good for the money.But I find it ridiculous to compare him to Rafael Martinez,Ismael Paez or Marco Marquez.
These 3 at their prime played better than Ignacio in his prime.

I think Ignacio played more like King Kong's speed.
A lot of people underrates King Kong's game,and overrates Ignacio's

Rafael beat Bustamante for big money in Germany playing even 9ball.
Even though he lost to him a few more times, I don't see Ignacio ever beating Bustamante.

Marquez beat guys like Rempe for the money. I dont see Ignacio doing that.

Paez was a set away to win one of the most prestigious 9Ball World Tournaments,and I certainly dont see Ignacio Chavez ever getting that close to win a World Tournament
 
Jesse Pedia

OK! WHEW!

I scanned/read all 55 posts looking for this guy's name. No one ever mentions his name. This Mexican was well educated, spoke English and Spanish but what he could do on a pool table was incredible. I understand he also had his right chunk of change. Just yesterday, this fellow's name came up in a discussion at Buffalo Billiards.

His cue ball control was second to none. Once upon a time, Roger Griffis (sp?) passed through Baton Rouge and Lambert forced Jesse to play Roger. After losing practically every game Roger quit, complaining, "All the guy ever does is run out". Jesse Pedia (sp?) was an extremely nice guy and in INCREDIBLE pool player who rarely played pool. I understand that Jesse is back living in Mexico. VIVA JESSE PEDIA!

Many players attempted to compete against Jesse and they always seemed to come up short. In fact, out of the few times I saw Jesse play, he NEVER LOST a match. When he practiced, you would think to yourself that he had some kind of magical spell over the cue ball (and did).

I don't ever remember Jesse hustling anyone for the record.......
 
DoubleA said:
Isn't Rafael Martinez actually a first and middle name, His last name Gonzales or something similiar? I have seen him have to use his last name in some tournaments.
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No. Martinez is his father's surname and Chavez is his mother's surname.

"With roots in the middle ages, Spanish surnames have been around since the 12th century. Hispanic surnames can be especially important to genealogists because children are commonly given two surnames, one from each parent. The middle name (1st surname) comes from the father's name (apellido paterno), and the last name (2nd surname) is the mother's maiden name (apellido materno). Sometimes, these two surnames may be found separated by y (meaning "and"), although this is no longer as common as it once was. Recent changes to laws in Spain mean that you may also find the two surnames reversed - first the mother's surname, and then the father's surname. "

This practice has been common in Iberia for centuries and has recently become popular in some Latin American countries.
 
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