Is Putting your Cue away BEFORE your Opponent has finished running out Gamesmanship?

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Desmondp

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Ok it's 8-8, double hill in a race to 9. Your opponent has just broken and it's a beauty, 2 balls down, legal break and all other 7 balls nicely in the open

At this point in time, would you consider blatantly and obviously unscrewing your cue and putting it away a form of gamesmanship ?

Your mentally trying to tell your opponent he's already got the rack , maybe so he/she becomes complacent and misses something easy

I never do this, i always wait until the last ball is down before dismantling my cue

I have had it done to me and whilst it didn't affect me too much, i didn't think it was too cool
 
20 years ago if you would of done that in the room i worked at.....you lose....that meant you gave up.....and today it is still rude to do.....if you dont need your cue anymore, there is no reason for me to keep shooting...jmo....mickey
 
Desmondp said:
Ok it's 8-8, double hill in a race to 9. Your opponent has just broken and it's a beauty, 2 balls down, legal break and all other 7 balls nicely in the open

At this point in time, would you consider blatantly and obviously unscrewing your cue and putting it away a form of gamesmanship ?

Your mentally trying to tell your opponent he's already got the rack , maybe so he/she becomes complacent and misses something easy

I never do this, i always wait until the last ball is down before dismantling my cue

I have had it done to me and whilst it didn't affect me too much, i didn't think it was too cool
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If I ever see anyone doing it I ask them right away if they are conceding the match. Some tournament formats it is an auto forfeit. Above all though even if there isn't a rule against doing it, it's D-bag thing to do as is all sharking.
 
game over

As soon as the guy reaches for his cue and breaks it loose from the butt all you have to say is good match. And pack up... that's a forfeit, don't even entertain the possibility that it couldn't be...

:) Enjoy the victories
 
Desmondp said:
Ok it's 8-8, double hill in a race to 9. Your opponent has just broken and it's a beauty, 2 balls down, legal break and all other 7 balls nicely in the open

At this point in time, would you consider blatantly and obviously unscrewing your cue and putting it away a form of gamesmanship ?

Your mentally trying to tell your opponent he's already got the rack , maybe so he/she becomes complacent and misses something easy

I never do this, i always wait until the last ball is down before dismantling my cue

I have had it done to me and whilst it didn't affect me too much, i didn't think it was too cool
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Sure, any movement or activity like that by your opponent is going to be a distraction. Sometimes it's unintentional, like a player breaking down their break cue without thinking in a hill/hill game. It is not necessarily gamesmanship but it is impolite.

I was just watching a match a few weeks ago at Hard Times and a guy was on the hill and running out, and his (female) opponent started unscrewing in his line of vision, and he missed an easy shot on the 9. She is not one of the more experienced players. I was hoping he would say something to her about it but he didn't. He was well ahead of her and won the match anyway.

Chris
 
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It's certainly rude, but I wouldn't consider it conceding. He/she has every right to take apart and put together cues as he/she sees fit. What if I've decided to change shafts? I know it doesn't seem likely and it's more than likely just the d-bag move, but it's plausible that it would come up at some point where a player was merely sitting on the stool changing shafts after the break or breaking down their break cue. In the example above that would be the last break of the match, makes sense you would put away your break cue.

I wouldn't do it to someone, I've had it done to me, it's your job to get past any sharking, it doesn't call off a bet or count as a forfeit merely because you'd like it to. There's just no logic to that. If there's a rule to it, it has to be definable, distinguishable, and agreed upon before a match. Sharking happens, it's part of gambling. You have the right not to play that a*hole again, but you've got the duty to run out the balls on the table. If he pulls it all back out after a miss, you just hit him in the face.
 
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It's definitely conceeding! Laugh at the guy the whole time he is paying you afterwards.
 
Under WPA (World-Standardized) rules, it's a concession:

1.11 Concession
If a player concedes, he loses the match. For example, if a player unscrews his jointed playing cue stick while the opponent is at the table and during the opponent’s decisive rack of a match, it will be considered a concession of the match.​

Caveat: not all matches are played under WPA rules.
 
Desmondp said:
Ok it's 8-8, double hill in a race to 9. Your opponent has just broken and it's a beauty, 2 balls down, legal break and all other 7 balls nicely in the open

At this point in time, would you consider blatantly and obviously unscrewing your cue and putting it away a form of gamesmanship ?

Your mentally trying to tell your opponent he's already got the rack , maybe so he/she becomes complacent and misses something easy

I never do this, i always wait until the last ball is down before dismantling my cue

I have had it done to me and whilst it didn't affect me too much, i didn't think it was too cool
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It's a concession is what it is.
 
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It is hill hill.

The other player breaks. Can you break down your break cue?

You break and make nothing. Can you break down your break cue?

I lost a break cue because I didn't put it away during the last game and now when I don't need it I make sure that it goes back into my case.



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If you're breaking down your cue, then that tells me you don't want to play anymore.
Reverse the scenario... You're in the middle of your runout, and someone breaks down their cue...

You break down the cue, you're conceding the match. Plain and simple...

laserbrn said:
What if I've decided to change shafts?
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That's fine... But either do it when it's your turn, or speak up before I step up to the table. Suprisingly, saying something as simple as "I'm gonna change shafts" or "I'm just taking apart my break cue" can work wonders :rolleyes:
 
Depending on the rules you are playing under, you can break down your cue, switch shafts, etc ... when it is YOUR turn to shoot. When your opponent is shooting and you start unscrewing, it's a concession most places and at the very least a sharking D-bag move.
 
See, but it's all so unclear. Obiously if I wait until you are in the middle or shooting or have addressed the table then I'm clearly sending the message that I concede. But if I break and it's the last match and I start disjointing my cue AS I'm walking back to the table, that's not a concession.
 
Its a concession, no ifs ands or buts.

It is for sure a concession in every league format too. Unless the guy who did it is buddies with the LO or something :lol:
 
laserbrn said:
See, but it's all so unclear. Obiously if I wait until you are in the middle or shooting or have addressed the table then I'm clearly sending the message that I concede. But if I break and it's the last match and I start disjointing my cue AS I'm walking back to the table, that's not a concession.
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My understanding has always been that if you break down your cue while it's your opponents turn at the table, it's a forfeit. You can break it down while it is your turn. I know rules are different everywhere, but because it can be called a concession/forfeit, why risk it?
 
TheBook said:
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It is hill hill.

The other player breaks. Can you break down your break cue?

You break and make nothing. Can you break down your break cue?

I lost a break cue because I didn't put it away during the last game and now when I don't need it I make sure that it goes back into my case.



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Sure, just don't do it in the line of the player's vision while they are shooting.
 
Desmondp said:
Ok it's 8-8, double hill in a race to 9. Your opponent has just broken and it's a beauty, 2 balls down, legal break and all other 7 balls nicely in the open

At this point in time, would you consider blatantly and obviously unscrewing your cue and putting it away a form of gamesmanship ?

Your mentally trying to tell your opponent he's already got the rack , maybe so he/she becomes complacent and misses something easy

I never do this, i always wait until the last ball is down before dismantling my cue

I have had it done to me and whilst it didn't affect me too much, i didn't think it was too cool
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Under the rule set I play by it's certainly not unsportsmanlike but it is a concession. Which rules do you play by?
 
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