Is Putting your Cue away BEFORE your Opponent has finished running out Gamesmanship?
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TheThaiger
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I used to play in a bar where there lots of Aussie tourist. They pretty much all do the same thing - watch me break and sink a few balls, then make an exaggerated move towards the rack and put there cue away. It used to irritate me to the extent that I'd miss easy balls. Break the cue down or put it back in the rack and the game is over. I think it's perfectly acceptable to break your break cue down if it's done discreetly.
BTW, is the accepted phrase at the conclusion of a match always "good shooting"? I don't think there is an obligatory phrase used here - good game/bad luck or cheers, perhaps.
BTW, is the accepted phrase at the conclusion of a match always "good shooting"? I don't think there is an obligatory phrase used here - good game/bad luck or cheers, perhaps.
There is nothing unclear about it, if you break down your cue do it during your turn or it's a loss of game or match. If you do it during your turn, 1. tell your opponent you need to switch shafts 2. even if you don't, he can't take it as a forefit unless he asks you as you are doing it during your turn. The OP stated clearly that the oponent took apart the cue while he was shooting, or was asking about it. Even standing up off your chair or making a move like you are heading to the table to shake hands before the final ball drops is a forefit of game. Same thing for taking a ball out of the pockets while any balls are in motion.
Had some guy do that to me. He left a fairly easy shot on the last 8, walked up to the table, took some balls out as if to rack them again, then said "oh, you should should that probably". Sorry buddy, you already lost that game when you went up to the table.
You lose. Simple.
If you do need to change shafts:
1. Do it on YOUR turn.
2. Tell your opponent.
As far as your break cue is concerned, if you do it right after the break then just say, "hey, I'm putting my break cue away so I don't leave it out"
or whatever
If you do need to change shafts:
1. Do it on YOUR turn.
2. Tell your opponent.
As far as your break cue is concerned, if you do it right after the break then just say, "hey, I'm putting my break cue away so I don't leave it out"
or whatever
Sigh. I suppose you have to go by whatever the rules are. What has always bothered my is how this rule of conceding by breaking down your cue got started in the first place.
I still contend, and I've been around the game a long time, that if your concentration isn't good enough to ignore this sort of thing you deserve to lose. It's a cheap way to win, just like the ball in hand anywhere and the three foul loss of game rules.
I still contend, and I've been around the game a long time, that if your concentration isn't good enough to ignore this sort of thing you deserve to lose. It's a cheap way to win, just like the ball in hand anywhere and the three foul loss of game rules.
If you aren't patient enough or have the decency to WAIT till the match is over to put away your cue, then you deserve to lose.
It's a shark. That's why people do it. No other reason.
Cheap win? I'll take anything in this economy.
TheThaiger
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Extraordinary.
TurdFerguson
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If you concede the match in WPA and BCA rules...you lose. And, rightfully so.
I saw it in my match in Vegas a couple of years ago. Tough safety battle at end of game, my opponent makes a mistake, leaving me a fairly tough, but makeable 8 ball. He unscrewed his cue. I simply walked from the table, said "good game" and went to post my win result.
The opponent, said "what?" but his friends quickly told him what he had done. He then asked me if i would shoot the shot, just to see if it would go. No thanks.
Also happened in the finals of a bar tourney at a ski resort. The opponent left me a long tough 8 ball, came up to me, shook hands, and said "good game". He then returned to his seat and packed his cue. I simply walked up to the TD and received my first place moneys.
An argument ensued, but the TD had seen it all, and simply stated that I had won due to concession. This one was a winner take all event.
I saw it in my match in Vegas a couple of years ago. Tough safety battle at end of game, my opponent makes a mistake, leaving me a fairly tough, but makeable 8 ball. He unscrewed his cue. I simply walked from the table, said "good game" and went to post my win result.
The opponent, said "what?" but his friends quickly told him what he had done. He then asked me if i would shoot the shot, just to see if it would go. No thanks.
Also happened in the finals of a bar tourney at a ski resort. The opponent left me a long tough 8 ball, came up to me, shook hands, and said "good game". He then returned to his seat and packed his cue. I simply walked up to the TD and received my first place moneys.
An argument ensued, but the TD had seen it all, and simply stated that I had won due to concession. This one was a winner take all event.
WPA rules clearly say playing cue, not break cue. Unscrewing your playing cue while the opponent is shooting is conceeding.
If you aren't patient enough or have the decency to WAIT till the match is over to put away your cue, then you deserve to lose.
It's a shark. That's why people do it. No other reason.
Cheap win? I'll take anything in this economy.
It's only a shark if you let it be so. If you pay attention to someone breaking down their cue, you'll probably miss anyway. I've had stuff pulled on me that would send a lot of people today crying to the TD and their mommie. None of it worked more than once.
TurdFerguson
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Hahahaha. A "cheap" way to win!
Come down and play me some ridiculous "bar" rules, then. And I will show you how, when you are on the 8 ball, I simply knock it behind the "line" and sewer on you 15 times in a row.
Ignorance at its finest.
Come down and play me some ridiculous "bar" rules, then. And I will show you how, when you are on the 8 ball, I simply knock it behind the "line" and sewer on you 15 times in a row.
Ignorance at its finest.
A shark is a shark, whether it works or not.
None of that bs works on me either anymore. It doesn't change the fact that if someone does it, game over. But aside from that, it's damn near impossible to not notice someone breaking down their cue.
While almost everyone I know considers it a concession, I watched Filipino Gene do that in a tournament in San Francisco and get away with it.
He unscrewed, his opponent thought he had conceded and just whacked a ball thinking it didn't matter and went to shake his hand. Gene claimed he was changing shafts.
The TD actually took Gene's side and Gene went on to win. One of the worst examples of sportsmanship I've seen.
He unscrewed, his opponent thought he had conceded and just whacked a ball thinking it didn't matter and went to shake his hand. Gene claimed he was changing shafts.
The TD actually took Gene's side and Gene went on to win. One of the worst examples of sportsmanship I've seen.
That's why you don't shoot the ball. If he unscrews the cue say good game and walk away. Then he can't say anything and if a shitty tourney director says it's not a forfeit then it's still your shot.
I still say it's a forfeit.
LOL!! Sure, that's gonna happen!
For the newer players...
This is the part many fail to realize is that it must be in the opponent's decisive rack of the match... aka they are on the hill and win the match with the rack. Not at any time during the set / match. This was more for the newer players the experienced players realize this I am sure.
This is the part many fail to realize is that it must be in the opponent's decisive rack of the match... aka they are on the hill and win the match with the rack. Not at any time during the set / match. This was more for the newer players the experienced players realize this I am sure.
It's exactly the same as a "tap-out" Lay down your cue shake his hand and take his money.
I remember in the Denver Open in the early 80's and this was the 'tipping point' about taking your cue apart while your oponnets shooting. Chewy Rivera was playing Earl Strickland, here's what happened. Chewy has a shot from the foot of the table to the upper r/h corner pocket. When he was down, and adressing the shot, Earl, in the line of shot sitting along the wall, uncorked his cue during execution of the shot, Chewy missed and lost the match because of this action. After that it was considered so to speak, tossing in the towel and end of match shooter wins.