APA Rules question.
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no they dont if the object ball is one of their balls pocketed.
Thank you. I looked it up and you are correct. I only looked in the "understanding defensive shots" section.
I read the other responses. I'm curious, I just want to be sure I'm understanding correctly........
Is a 'announcing a defensive shot' in your example the same as 'calling a safety' ?
Not trying to be a (insert derogatory term here), just want to clarify.
Perfectly reasonable question. In APA, yes, a defensive shot and a safety is the same shot. Unlike BCA (and maybe other leagues as well), you cannot call a safety/defensive shot in the APA, make one of your category of balls, and give up the table. You must keep shooting if you make one of your own balls.
I hope this helps!!!
Maniac
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There is no "call a safety in APA" If you make one of your balls, you must keep shooting. I have seen some one shoot a safety shot when shooting the 8 ball. If no pocket is called and the 8 ball falls in a hole.... loss of game.... if you scratch.... loss of game.
Kim
Kim
So, hypothetically, if I'm playing eight-ball..........
Let's say there's a three ball combo (my ball, opponent's ball, my ball) in front of a pocket. There's nothing else on the table, save for the eight ball. And the eight ball is in such a position that, if I play the three-ball combo, the natural angle/cue ball speed/hocus-pocus will give me a lock-up safety.
(Note : I know the odds of this exact shot happening are unlikely, but I only use it for illustration/explanation purposes).
I call a 'defensive shot', hit my ball into your ball into my ball (thereby legally sinking my ball), and send the cueball to hide behind the eight ball (creating my lock-up safety)........
I have to shoot again ??? :scratchhead:
Let's say there's a three ball combo (my ball, opponent's ball, my ball) in front of a pocket. There's nothing else on the table, save for the eight ball. And the eight ball is in such a position that, if I play the three-ball combo, the natural angle/cue ball speed/hocus-pocus will give me a lock-up safety.
(Note : I know the odds of this exact shot happening are unlikely, but I only use it for illustration/explanation purposes).
I call a 'defensive shot', hit my ball into your ball into my ball (thereby legally sinking my ball), and send the cueball to hide behind the eight ball (creating my lock-up safety)........
I have to shoot again ??? :scratchhead:
Yes.
Pocket one of your own balls, keep shooting. APA isn't called shot, so anything of yours that falls, after a legal hit on one of your own balls, counts. And the shooter continues.
In the APA; Yes, you would shoot again.
I have done this and seen this done by other people. The reason I did it was because I was about to take a shot at the 8-ball with no intention of trying to pocket it (too tough a shot). Now, imo, the proper way to shoot a safety/defensive shot in the APA is to make your intention known to the scorekeepers (yes, both of them!) either before the shot or tell them it was a safety/defensive shot after you shoot it. It is imperative that all defensive shots are marked on an APA scoresheet for the Equalizer handicap system to work, so it's best NOT left to the judgement of scorekeepers whether they are inexperienced or not at making the call on if a shot was played as defense or not. I always call my safeties in APA league play, most of the time before the shot is taken. I wish everybody else did too!!!
Keep in mind that since there are no scoresheets involved in BCA and similar formats, calling safety/defensive shots aren't necessary UNLESS you are planning on pocketing a ball and giving up the table.
Maniac
You're the exception. Many APA players try to hide their safeties to keep their handicap down. And it works. That's why I stopped playing APA. The Equalizer System doesn't work. If you're honest about your ability, you're always giving weight to players of equal skill.
I never understood the APA's obsession with innings anyway. Innings are the easiest thing to manipulate, especially with lower level scorekeepers and higher level players.
Having said that, I was always honest about my handicap.
a.p.a= Any pocket anytime
You're the exception. Many APA players try to hide their safeties to keep their handicap down. And it works. That's why I stopped playing APA. The Equalizer System doesn't work. If you're honest about your ability, you're always giving weight to players of equal skill.
I never understood the APA's obsession with innings anyway. Innings are the easiest thing to manipulate, especially with lower level scorekeepers and higher level players.
Having said that, I was always honest about my handicap.
I too was always honest about my handicap. I quit shooting APA for the very reasons that you stated above. I was always giving games on-the-wire to players that shot as good as me, sometimes better than me. It was getting harder and harder to win a match. I'm not obsessed with winning, but it's certainly no fun losing all the time to the ones that won't play you a fair match. APA Masters is the only way I'll go down that road again.
My hat's off to you for your honesty, my friend!!!
Maniac
Just my 2 cents
Dumb rule. I came across this a few times. Like someone mentioned, calling a safe is a courteous act when playing pool. It lets your opponent know what you are doing. So if you want to pocket your ball and give up the table, under this rule you can’t be courteous and call a safe. You simply have to resort to being a liar and just call another pocket. The wrong pocket. Then tell your opponent Oops, now its your turn. It is sad that all of the great players just can't come up with a standard set of rules that make sense. I guess just to many asinine pool wannabes involved in making the rules. Tony is definitely not a want a bee and I wonder where or how this rule got introduced to the APA.
Dumb rule. I came across this a few times. Like someone mentioned, calling a safe is a courteous act when playing pool. It lets your opponent know what you are doing. So if you want to pocket your ball and give up the table, under this rule you can’t be courteous and call a safe. You simply have to resort to being a liar and just call another pocket. The wrong pocket. Then tell your opponent Oops, now its your turn. It is sad that all of the great players just can't come up with a standard set of rules that make sense. I guess just to many asinine pool wannabes involved in making the rules. Tony is definitely not a want a bee and I wonder where or how this rule got introduced to the APA.