What is the big deal about pre-flag Masters Chalk???

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I saw that some one is selling grosses of pre-flag Masters Chalk for a pretty penny in the Wanted/For Sale section. I have heard about it on here before but I dont get what is so special about. The Masters I use today works great, why would I try expensive pre-flag Masters or super expensive Blue Diamond? I here Blue Diamond is great but I play just fine with the Masters I use today.
 
Oh boy, then you *DEFINITELY* don't want to know about Kamui chalk, if pre-flag Masters and Blue Diamond make question marks appear above your head!

-Sean
 
Recently I found a zip-loc bag full of chalk that I had accumulated years ago when I used to play in pool rooms. There were around 20 or so pieces of pre-flag Master's Green. I really haven't noticed any difference between the pre-flag and the new flag Master's. I like the green the best because for some reason the blue seems to mark up my cue ball while the green doesn't -- strange.
 
I think some of the old forms of chalk had lead in it. I don't know if that chalk is one of them or not.
 
sfleinen said:
Oh boy, then you *DEFINITELY* don't want to know about Kamui chalk, if pre-flag Masters and Blue Diamond make question marks appear above your head!

-Sean
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yeah! and how about that kamui chalk?!? Whats the deal with that too?
 
I have never seen another genre of human beings with bigger hang-ups than the poolplayers. Seems like there's always some magic "cure-all" or snake oil that we (yes I have hang-ups too) have to have or we just can't function on the table without it. I'm sure that for some reason, the pre-flag Masters may have been a tad better than todays Master, but I doubt the difference is large enough to warrant what some will pay for it. I have a couple cubes of pre-flag blue and I don't find it to be overwhelmingly better than todays Master blue. But.....that's just one man's opinion.

Maniac
 
thats what I suspected Maniac. Its the same with cues as well, I was stuck in El Paso for a month in May and bought a 40$ Minnesota Fats cue and played great with it. Beat one kid out 500$ with it so I guess its all about preference.
 
i saw a post on here a while back about there is no difference between pre flag and flag chalk. i hears that he just started putting the flag on the cubes after 9-11 just for patriatism.

i was just going to start a thread about my experience i have had lately with master chalk but will post it here.

a few weeks ago i was playing a room owner on one of his 9' gold crowns with gold simonis cloth. he requires every one to use gold chalk which he provides. i noticed it adhered to my tip much better than the blue does. i really didnt think much about it at the time.

well 2 nights ago i was playing in league and the bar had green master chalk there. when i used it i noticed it adhered much better than the blue does also.

does anyone know why the gold or green would stick to the tip better than the blue ?
 
I've used Masters and BD chalk with no problems. A AZer sent me some Pre-flag Masters for a great deal so I could see what the deal was. I started playing with it and the only difference I could see was there wasn't so much residue left on my hands and cue. I stop using BD but still use the Pre-flag Masters because of how much cleaner it is. BD chalk is clean also but, I got like 10 cubes of Pre-flag for $9 shipped.
 
ArizonaPete said:
I like the green the best because for some reason the blue seems to mark up my cue ball while the green doesn't -- strange.
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This is why snooker players use almost exclusively green chalk. Chalk on the cue ball transfers to the object balls and causes skid.
 
I like the replies I am getting. got some answers along with some suggestions.

I personally buy gray masters from seyberts. Gray doesnt not show on anything that I can tell! Not your clothes, cue, cue ball, table or whatever. It does show on your hand but you can still feel your hands getting dirty after awhile.
 
lorider said:
i saw a post on here a while back about there is no difference between pre flag and flag chalk. i hears that he just started putting the flag on the cubes after 9-11 just for patriatism.

i was just going to start a thread about my experience i have had lately with master chalk but will post it here.

a few weeks ago i was playing a room owner on one of his 9' gold crowns with gold simonis cloth. he requires every one to use gold chalk which he provides. i noticed it adhered to my tip much better than the blue does. i really didnt think much about it at the time.

well 2 nights ago i was playing in league and the bar had green master chalk there. when i used it i noticed it adhered much better than the blue does also.

does anyone know why the gold or green would stick to the tip better than the blue ?
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I switched to the light green years ago - it just seems to be a finer grade (softer) than the blue so it chalks up easier. Maybe it's the way the different color dyes react to the chalk that makes each color different ???

I also do like the Blue Diamond but I'm so used to the green that it feels strange now to use blue :grin:
 
Meezer Girl said:
I switched to the light green years ago - it just seems to be a finer grade (softer) than the blue so it chalks up easier. Maybe it's the way the different color dyes react to the chalk that makes each color different ???

I also do like the Blue Diamond but I'm so used to the green that it feels strange now to use blue :grin:
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Meezer Girl:

That light green you speak of -- is that the almost fluorescent-looking light green? There was a player in the room here that, every time he saw that stuff, he'd call it "transvestite lipstick." "Get that trannie chalk away from me," he'd say. The way he'd say it, would crack us up. Of course, we would josh him back, saying how would he know that's the color a TV wears? :D

-Sean
 
center pocket said:
... I personally buy gray masters from seyberts. Gray doesnt not show on anything that I can tell! Not your clothes, cue, cue ball, table or whatever. ...
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But doesn't the gray actually transfer to other things (balls, table, skin, clothes) the same way blue or green does? Isn't it better to be able to see it easily so it can be cleaned off rather than just accumulate even more?
 
center pocket said:
I saw that some one is selling grosses of pre-flag Masters Chalk for a pretty penny in the Wanted/For Sale section. I have heard about it on here before but I dont get what is so special about. The Masters I use today works great, why would I try expensive pre-flag Masters or super expensive Blue Diamond? I here Blue Diamond is great but I play just fine with the Masters I use today.
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I think if the chalk you are using works great for you there is no reason to change.

The difference between the old and the new Master Chalk is the formula they used to make it. You will here many different stories, like the older Chalk had Lead in it and so on, but I am not certainly what was changed and what remains the same or if it all is just a mythe.

However, I have more than a Gross of the old stuff (144 pieces) and the only difference I can see between the two is that the older stuff is a little more Gritty / Ruff so I think it does grind in and stay on the tip better, but that is just an opinion. I can also say I do not see anything wrong with the new Masters Chalk or even the Triangle for that matter.

Lets face the facts, part of having good fundimentals to become a player is Chalking your cue. I for one was taught to Chalk between shots and I mean every Shot, so this has become part of my pre-shot routine. While I am deciding what to do next I am chalking my cue and I think that if you do this almost any chalk will work. I have also found that when I Miscue it is due to a Poor Stroke and not the Chalk I am using!!!!


JIMO
 
AtLarge said:
But doesn't the gray actually transfer to other things (balls, table, skin, clothes) the same way blue or green does? Isn't it better to be able to see it easily so it can be cleaned off rather than just accumulate even more?
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To each there own. I would rather not see it, especially that nasty blueing of your shafts on your cues.
 
center pocket said:
To each there own. I would rather not see it, especially that nasty blueing of your shafts on your cues.
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Yes, I forgot to mention the shaft! I'd much rather see the chalk as soon as it begins to accumulate, so I can clean it off. With less noticeable colors, one might let it accumulate to a more significant degree -- with possibly more of an adverse effect on the shaft -- before doing anything about it. But I understand your point.
 
center pocket said:
I saw that some one is selling grosses of pre-flag Masters Chalk for a pretty penny in the Wanted/For Sale section. I have heard about it on here before but I dont get what is so special about. The Masters I use today works great, why would I try expensive pre-flag Masters or super expensive Blue Diamond? I here Blue Diamond is great but I play just fine with the Masters I use today.
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The big deal is it is better - better at what chalk is suposed to do.

If you can't tell any difference - then you should just use the current
chalk.

There isn't so much difference in dry conditions - like say January with
the heat on. But, when it is humid, I can tell a world of difference.

Dale<who has lots>
 
center pocket said:
thats what I suspected Maniac. Its the same with cues as well, I was stuck in El Paso for a month in May and bought a 40$ Minnesota Fats cue and played great with it. Beat one kid out 500$ with it so I guess its all about preference.
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I can prove you wrong on this one!
 
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