The Right Shot

kybill9

kybill9

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Our friend Lenny posted a great shot from the California Billiards one pocket tournament by Ellerman. First of all, Lenny, thanks for your generosity, and second, please make sure people know you don't do this for fun but not as your business either. Lenny does this as a sideline because he loves pool and one pocket. There are cost involved and we should be supporting Lenny when he sells his fabulously UNDERPRICED DVD's.
By supporting Lennys hobby, we all have a resource that provides us with reasonably priced DVD,s.
Myself one pocket is all about imagination and wininng. This shot by Ellerman that so many have said it's, NOT THE CORRECT SHOT, do not, in my opinion understand how to get into someone's head to win.
It's called making a shot that is so out of one pocket character, that the shooter makes it look easy and planned, also gets his opponent to thinking, is there a safe place to leave this guy?
Being predictable in one pocket can cost you a game same as missing a shot. If you're the type of player that will not shoot at a shot if there is a 10% chance of missing, sets you up for a player to take a few chances knowing you won't shoot if there's a gun to your head. Subsequently if you go, go, go, a guy who can let you make three or four knowing your going to miss, will set you up by letting you shoot until you miss. The problem with going for shot after shot is once a lock up player starts locking you up, a shooter will grow cold, and the long shot he was making, becomes six and out for his opponent.
The shot by Ellerman was a practiced shot that even if missed was fairly safe. The fact he made it only enhance his reputation as someone that you can't leave safe practically anywhere.
I would rather be the guy that goes down shooting, than a guy that needs a gun to his head to fire at a liitle cut.
There are right shots and wrong shots and every player has a different shot of his right and wrong.
This idea of CORRECT SHOTS, especially from the layout that I saw is bunk. What I saw was a great way to win and play safe.
I'm at Clifornia billiards almost every day and if I'm not your speed someone there is, from Frank, shaking Dave, Bryce, and on down the line. I'm the weakest player that comes in to play for cheeseburgers so if you can't beat me, sell your cues.
In the meantime, make shots like Ellerman did on a regular basis and then they will become, THE RIGHT SHOT. Yee Haw, y'all.:cool::cool::cool::cool:
 
How many times out of 10 you think Mitch pockets that ball???? 2? 3? .....1? It's low percentage. Therefor, the wrong shot. He wasn't even trying to pocket the ball, it was a nice bonus for clearing the balls well. I've done similar things, making a ball in my hole just like this. The balls can do funny things sometimes.
 
cleary said:
How many times out of 10 you think Mitch pockets that ball???? 2? 3? .....1? It's low percentage. Therefor, the wrong shot. He wasn't even trying to pocket the ball, it was a nice bonus for clearing the balls well. I've done similar things, making a ball in my hole just like this. The balls can do funny things sometimes.
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How many times does he leave it in the pocket 2-3? And safe 2-3, so 2-2-2:6, and 3-3-3:9. He clears both balls out of his opponents side, makes a ball, and has a chance for the cheese. You say it's the wrong shot using only the percentage of times he makes the ball, not the other times he leaves a safe and removes two balls. Maybe you think the competition in this particular tournament was weak or something? This tournament was a warm up for the Las Vegas one pocket tournament and had forty of the worlds best players.
You don't win this tournament being a nit.
 
Cleary the deal here is it's most likely only rarely a sell out... If he makes the ball he is a hero if he hits it thick the cueball squats pretty much in his opponents corner... A little thin he hangs it up... Only way it's the wrong shot is if he hits it way thin.... It's pretty much a freebie if you can come up with it under fire....
 
The Renfro said:
Cleary the deal here is it's most likely only rarely a sell out... If he makes the ball he is a hero if he hits it thick the cueball squats pretty much in his opponents corner... A little thin he hangs it up... Only way it's the wrong shot is if he hits it way thin.... It's pretty much a freebie if you can come up with it under fire....
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That would be my take on it after practicing for the many different variations that may appear. I practice a double kiss shot with a ball in my pocket I cannot reach by shooting straight at it. Every time I make it, someone says, lucky shot. Luck ain't got nothin to do with imagination.
 
The Renfro said:
Cleary the deal here is it's most likely only rarely a sell out...
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He sold out both balls on the shot we saw. The only thing that prevented it was the ball lucking into his pocket (it was luck even though he clearly hoped to make it).

pj
chgo
 
Great shot and although not the shot I would take, it worked out for him.

Sometimes you get the rolls, sometimes you get the shits.

:D
 
kybill9 said:
Our friend Lenny posted a great shot from the California Billiards one pocket tournament by Ellerman. First of all, Lenny, thanks for your generosity, and second, please make sure people know you don't do this for fun but not as your business either. Lenny does this as a sideline because he loves pool and one pocket. There are cost involved and we should be supporting Lenny when he sells his fabulously UNDERPRICED DVD's.
By supporting Lennys hobby, we all have a resource that provides us with reasonably priced DVD,s.
Myself one pocket is all about imagination and wininng. This shot by Ellerman that so many have said it's, NOT THE CORRECT SHOT, do not, in my opinion understand how to get into someone's head to win.
It's called making a shot that is so out of one pocket character, that the shooter makes it look easy and planned, also gets his opponent to thinking, is there a safe place to leave this guy?
Being predictable in one pocket can cost you a game same as missing a shot. If you're the type of player that will not shoot at a shot if there is a 10% chance of missing, sets you up for a player to take a few chances knowing you won't shoot if there's a gun to your head. Subsequently if you go, go, go, a guy who can let you make three or four knowing your going to miss, will set you up by letting you shoot until you miss. The problem with going for shot after shot is once a lock up player starts locking you up, a shooter will grow cold, and the long shot he was making, becomes six and out for his opponent.
The shot by Ellerman was a practiced shot that even if missed was fairly safe. The fact he made it only enhance his reputation as someone that you can't leave safe practically anywhere.
I would rather be the guy that goes down shooting, than a guy that needs a gun to his head to fire at a liitle cut.
There are right shots and wrong shots and every player has a different shot of his right and wrong.
This idea of CORRECT SHOTS, especially from the layout that I saw is bunk. What I saw was a great way to win and play safe.
I'm at Clifornia billiards almost every day and if I'm not your speed someone there is, from Frank, shaking Dave, Bryce, and on down the line. I'm the weakest player that comes in to play for cheeseburgers so if you can't beat me, sell your cues.
In the meantime, make shots like Ellerman did on a regular basis and then they will become, THE RIGHT SHOT. Yee Haw, y'all.:cool::cool::cool::cool:
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I agree sir.
I am, as Buddy Hall said "Not usually a high diver" but if I play someone who only shoots at their hole if they can get safe, I will shoot at anything I can hit with pocket speed , just because I know they will move that ball if I get it near the hole, rather than shoot a tough shot first.
I've had the pleasure of playing Mitch and he has all the ingredients of a champion.When I look at the shot, I think he meant to hit the first ball just a little thicker , banking it up toward the end on his side. He was playing the carom but when he hit the first ball thin , the cueball hit the second ball thicker and it got more speed on it. I think he played the shot to run out by caroming the second ball in and playing the first ball back up for a 3 railer or a 1 long rail bank . If he missed the second ball would be near his hole and the first ball hit would end up on his side just above the side pocket?
I play 2 railers from there with inside english and 3 rails to the opposite corner for safe , why wouldn't someone who plays his speed , shoot that shot?
Thats without taking into consideration he is way better off shooting with Ike than playing safe with him. {imo}
 
And a related thought...

Mitch might be smart enough to realize that if (and only if)he hits it well enough to make it, he sells out the other ball. Flip side of that is, if he hits it bad, the first ball struck does not end up where it did on the vid.

Only hitch to that theory: how hard he hit the ball toward his pocket. If it banks, it ends up back on opponent's side.
 
Black-Balled said:
And a related thought...

Mitch might be smart enough to realize that if (and only if)he hits it well enough to make it, he sells out the other ball. Flip side of that is, if he hits it bad, the first ball struck does not end up where it did on the vid.

Only hitch to that theory: how hard he hit the ball toward his pocket. If it banks, it ends up back on opponent's side.
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Exactly what I'm saying. Everyone acts like these players are superhuman because they make some amazing stuff happen. We all have mad amazing things happen too just not on camera! He got lucky and pocketed a ball...
 
correct eh

I did not see the "shot" in question. I am however familiar with the premise of the "Correct Shot". Which inevitably ensues a debate between 2 oppossing pool philosphies, the more aggressive offensive player & the more cautious defensive player. These 2 styles percieve the game from diametrically opposed viewpoints. While both sides have their obvious points, the idea that there is a one size fits all "Correct Shot" is untenable.

While different shots, patterns etc. may have a purported higher % success rate overall, it may not be the "Correct Shot" for the individulal player under a specific set of circumstances. If you believe that the "Winners" all follow the "Correct Shot" Philosphy then view some of the televised "Pro" matches with commentary by other "Pros". The comments that the actual player will do this or that thereby coming to an end result prophasied by the commentator is a good % of the time conflicting with what the actual player does.

It is in the end subjective, to the individual player, his circumstances, his abilties & his personal philosphy as a player. It never ceased to amaze me when a shot, match etc. is concluded with whatever outcome arises that one camp will tout that particular outcome as proof positive that their particular philosophical camp is of course "Correct". I disagree. It simply proves that any particular outcome can fall on either side of the issue.

As was so aptly put by "Book Collector" one must be aware of ones opponents propensities and strengths & play accordingly. Not only to my own strengths but away from the opponents. The following example is not 1P but it illustates my point. If I am playing a rhythm player,..slow down. If I am playing a mythodical, measured player resume my natural tempo. The point is I can make adjustments to "put the ball in my court". At times that requires me to take a calculated risk that may go against the "Correct Shot" grain.

As a footnote I am at this point attempting to come more to the center of both philosphies. I have been throughout my pool life an offensive player due to my confidence & ball pocketing abilities. However to become a more well balanced player I am incorporating more defensive stratagies in my overall philosphy. Well I know they are 2 large pennies, but that's my 2cents folks. :grin:

Good luck & good pool,

Billy Bones :thumbup:
 
Part of what I was trying to imply was in one pocket there is the mental game. Having a player shoot a shot on you for the cheese that you would not even have considered can be devastating. It is, who the hell am I playing or where did that come from. One pocket more than any other game is knowledge, ability, and deception.
 
I've heard the theory before, that the right shot is sometimes to shoot a lower percentage one to get in the opponent's head and strike fear in their hearts.

Not buying it. If I'm the opponent and I see my opponent taking a flyer, and he gets away with it, then I'm still grinning a little inside because he's going to eventually sell out of he keeps taking shots like that. Hell I'll compliment the flyer and act impressed to encourage it.

It seems to me if you need to take the wrong shot in an effort to psyche out your opponent... he's gotten in your head, not the other way around.
 
kybill9 said:
One pocket more than any other game is knowledge, ability, and deception.
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I don't know about the deception part - I'd just say that 1 pocket is the game in which your opponent matters the most. That's what I like about 1P - it isn't just you against the balls and table for awhile and then your opponent against the balls and table for awhile. It's trading (usually) single shots to apply pressure to and defend against your opponent, a true sparring match.

pj
chgo
 
The simple answer would be to make him shoot the shot 20 times. The math will speak for it's self. We all take "flyers". The point is that he had lots of options that did not come with a game losing option.

Nick
 
Mitch plays better than everyone in this thread unless your playing on the WEI table of course. :p
 
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