AZB is the 3rd Most influential Voice in American pool.....

The Renfro

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We all miss posts from time to time.... We have contributors to the forum from all parts of the country and all walks of life... We nit pick... we argue... and we walk away only to come back..... We have a voice if we choose to find it... It is not Mike's or Jerry's but a voice of our own.... Chime in and tell the 6 kids that gave it their all that we appreciate them... Here is a post from one of the parents....

We are in the airport in Warsaw waiting to fly home after a long week. It's 6 am. There were six american kids here who played ther hearts out, and ran into the professional level Euro machine supported by the EBPF. You should note that the entire final 8 was all euro; not one kid from Japan, China, North or South America, the Philipines, or the US. Doesn't that tell you something? The reality is that the level of support and training for the europeans is a model for the rest of the world. Team Euro arrives with coaches, equipment support, training camps for weeks before the event, and year around training and organized competition. They are focused, as individual national teams and as team euro, on one thing: total dominance. The American kids arrived with their cues and jet lag. They got at most a couple of hours on the tables before the matches started. The Polish girl who won qualified for the tournament as a walk on the day before it started, and she went through the field undefeated. The boy's side finalists were both polish kids. One of the polish organizers said to me "The US has NASA and can put a man on the moon. Why can't you organize support for junior pool?" It's a good question, isn't it?
All that said, we have the talent and desire, and just need to bring some focus and energy to staying competitive as the europeans raise the bar again and again. Our kids, with the same level of support that the Euros have, can play with any other kids in the world. Before you criticize what our kids accomplished, take a look at how much time and energy you spent helping them get to where they did, and ask yourself, why can't we do a better job supporting our kids in international play?
 
Us junior players

Thank you for bringing this post to our attention.

Just to say a couple of things: the north American juniors have had pretty good success in the few years. obviously, this year was different.

I have witnessed a world's junior event and let me tell you - they play their hearts out!

So how do we get a program going that will support the juniors?

CSI has been working on a nationwide junior program in select pool rooms and other facilities. Randy G. and I have got the basics somewhat worked out and are in process of identifying the rooms and general geographic locations. Hopefully in a few months we wil be able to start promoting the program and soliciting Some financial support.

We are open to suggestions and welcome any assistance that can be offered.

Please contact markg@playcsipool.com for any comments or suggestions.

With luck, we can get this off the ground. The goal is 3-4 sessions a year at each location with NO CHARGE to any and all interested kids. As this developes, we should be able to get a new crop of kids into this great game.

Mark Griffin, CEO
CSI
 
We all miss posts from time to time.... We have contributors to the forum from all parts of the country and all walks of life... We nit pick... we argue... and we walk away only to come back..... We have a voice if we choose to find it... It is not Mike's or Jerry's but a voice of our own.... Chime in and tell the 6 kids that gave it their all that we appreciate them... Here is a post from one of the parents....

You know, I did not even know about this tournament until it concluded when AzBilliards posted the article on the Main Page that said "World Champions." I had no idea that Americans competed in it, either.

We fans might be able to provide more support and enthusiasm if we knew what was happening, but I'm not sure who will inform the public about tournaments like these.

Is it supposed to be the WPA? Is it supposed to be the BCA? Is the tournament organizer supposed to contact AzBilliards and provide a press release about its announcement?

Personally, I think it sucks that we find out about these events after they conclude. How can you support something if you don't know about it?! :angry:

I did donate 50 bucks this year to the Billiard Education Fund, which supports American youth. If anybody would like to provide more support to American junior players, check out their website: Billiard Education Fund

It's a tax writeoff, FWIW! :p
 
What does your title mean?
What does it have to do with the subject of this thread?

pj <- just wondering
chgo
 
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Before you criticize what our kids accomplished, take a look at how much time and energy you spent helping them get to where they did, and ask yourself, why can't we do a better job supporting our kids in international play
What's up with this statement? Who is criticizing anyone (much less kids) for competing at the world level?

Just being able to attend something like this is a great accomplishment. The European attitude towards pool may enable more support for their kids, but that doesn't minimize anyone else's success.

It would be great for the US to sponsor kids in this way. Even getting national press for competing would be great. And even though AZ is a great tool for spreading news, perhaps ABC News (for example) would be a nice start.

-td
 
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Great Post with a some what misleading title!
Intent of OP is what matters so here is my big THANK YOU to the US
Juniors.
Randy G get in touch with me if I can help in any way.
Thanks ,Jack
 
Sorry for the bait and switch last time... I was actually headed somewhere else with the thread and then I read the post by saddlebow which immediately had me switching gears.... I was reading this article for those of you who have not seen it..... It has AZB at 5 but I removed Matchroom and Efren because they are more international..... http://nycgrind.com/?p=14077

I have heard countless people criticize the AZB community for the infighting that goes on in some of the threads.... mostly from people who never post here, but occasionally I will hear the same thing from actual industry insiders...

In many instances this is true and we like to roll in the mud from time to time with each other but for those people and some industry members to discount our ability to collectively have a voice and influence on the game is absurd....

A thank you goes out to everyone who jumped up and emailed Pepsi for their support... A thanks goes out to all of you who have reached into your pockets to help with folks from Danny D. to Wade's family to Ginky all the way down the line....

We can be a force if we all pull in a single direction when the time requires it... Someone needs to print up some khaki t-shirts with " The AZB Army wants you". All it requires for us to become an army is for us to mobilize... be it with our voices, our email accounts, our contacts, or our dollars... So far the industry sees no value in promoting our sport as it should be supported.... There may be no value in their assumption but there can be a cost associated with NOT supporting the sport... Think about that the next time you are ready to make a purchase...
 
td873...I think it was misunderstood when I mentioned that I was surprised and dismayed that no American kids finished in the top spots at the recent Junior World tournament. I also mentioned that I hoped the US kids played their best, and just got beat by better prepared players. It seems quite evident that this was the case. I never critcized anyone, and if it was misinterpreted as such, I apologize to the junior players. I'm proud of all the kids...the ones who competed in the junior national qualifiers, the ones who made it to the junior national tournament, and the ones who just represented our country at the world junior tournament, just concluded in Poland. I love young people to be involved in pool, and have supported it all of my adult life, in many ways.

Although Mark didn't mention it, I am involved with Randy in the CSI youth program. On top of that, I am spearheading a project to bring together 10 of the best instructors in the country, to work together at a summer camp for kids. This is not a BCA camp, it is for kids from all over the USA...the teachers come from all parts of the country, and all are very well known. They have all agreed to come together, in one place, to work together to try to help train what hopefully can be the next generation of young American poolplayers. Something like this has never happened before, and along with the CSI program, it may well be a grass roots starting point for developing American youth talent for the future.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

What's up with this statement? Who is criticizing anyone (much less kids) for competing at the world level?

Just being able to attend something like this is a great accomplishment. The European attitude towards pool may enable more support for their kids, but that doesn't minimize anyone else's success.

It would be great for the US to sponsor kids in this way. Even getting national press for competing would be great. And even though AZ is a great tool for spreading news, perhaps ABC News (for example) would be a nice start.

-td
 
Scott keep the info coming on the Summer Camp plans.... If you need staff to help and it's not out in BFE I might be able to find the time and donate it to a worthy cause.......
 
The Renfro...Thanks for your support, and I will keep that in mind! I am currently trying to find a national "outside industry" sponsor for the camp. When Coca-Cola teamed up with the BCA, I thought they might be interested, but to no avail. Now that Pepsi has gotten involved (at least at the local level) with a major US professional tournament, perhaps Pepsi National might take an interest in the kids. It's certainly worth a shot. :thumbup:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Scott keep the info coming on the Summer Camp plans.... If you need staff to help and it's not out in BFE I might be able to find the time and donate it to a worthy cause.......
 
I wanted to repost this here, for the widest readership. It is a post made by Brendan Crockett's father, who, with his son, just returned from the World Junior Tournament...

Just got home to Los Angeles from Poland by way of Paris, probably won't sleep for a day or two until we all get adjusted. So here are some more or less random observations about the world of junior pool competition.

First, I need to report that the event was virtually flawless, imho, from beginning to end. The facility was a hotel with a small convention facility and virtually all of the players and guests were there for the week. Marcin Krzeminski is the owner of MAK marketing which put on the event, and he is the driving force behind junior pool in Poland for the last 20 years. The referees were all well trained, the equipment was in excellent condition, all ten tables had live streaming on the net, and the scoring equipment was set up so that a laptop at each table showed the players, whose break it was, and score in real time, all of which was networked to the central scorers and charts, which were updated at the end of each set of matches. Simply the best run tournament I've been to. The ONLY real issue for the kids was the lack of practice tables, which was magnified by the facility being in use all day before the tournament started by the local qualifier, which had 40 or so kids from all over Europe there competing for five wild card spots.

Second, as I noted earlier, the euros simply dominated the field. Most of the players have substantial youth tournament experience and are well coached. Every team euro player had a coach at the rail at every match, offering advice and support. The best analogy I can make would be to college football: the europeans run a national ranked division one program to our small independent college,and they have depth and experience that gives their kids a serious and real edge when they get up to play. The euros run regular highly competitive junior events year around, have EPBF sanctioned national and EPBF events where they compete individually and as teams in 8, 9, 10 ball, straight pool, and doubles. The team euro that came to the event had all participated in a two week camp in preparation for this event. Our kids have as much or more talent as theirs do on a player by player comparison. But of the six american kids who went, four of them were appearing in their first international event, and none of them have the chance to play regularly against other top level juniors. The euros do every day. Iron sharpens iron, as the saying goes, and the level of preparation was obvious.

I could also see that by the end of the tournament, our kids 'got it' and the level of play rose dramatically. Just not enough to compensate for every one of them losing their first round matches. Brianna Miller showed her experience and ran three straight wins on the left side after losing her first match to the eventual winner, and finished 5th. Danny Olsen and Brendan Crockett both won twice on the left side before each getting knocked out by the two boys who finished third. They finished tied for 13th. The advantage of the European system seems clear. EBPF is an umbrella that has oversight governance for the national organizations in each country. EBPF members fund regular tournaments, help support pros, and offer a structure and organization for juniors that gives them plenty of chance to find young talent and nurture it. For them pool is supported like any other international sport like gymnastics, track & field, soccer and the like. There is a unified structure with solid financial support that makes long term investment in its organization and has an equally long term horizon for planning.

I have to note, also, that Scott's long term interest and contributions to junior pool are very well known and he deserved a lot of credit for being there when so many others are not. And Jenny [JAM] was one of two people who responded about a month ago when I posted asking for support for the BEF to help get our kids to the tournament. Because we were all paying our own ways not all of the kids who earned a spot for the worlds got the chance to participate.

I have come to the pool world only through my son's participation and so don't understand the politics of the various groups and leagues and organizations. But what seems clear is that no one will step up to put self interest aside long enough to enable our kids from the USA to compete on an equal footing. Laura Smith operates the BEF on a shoe string and does an amazing job with nothing. The real question is why is there nothing for BEF to work with? The Polish TD made a point of seeking out the american parents, including me, to get feed back about what they did right or wrong and what they could do better. He's the one who made the NASA comment to me. I think he managed to ask the right question. Who's got the answer?
 
The advantage of the European system seems clear. EBPF is an umbrella that has oversight governance for the national organizations in each country. EBPF members fund regular tournaments, help support pros, and offer a structure and organization for juniors that gives them plenty of chance to find young talent and nurture it. For them pool is supported like any other international sport like gymnastics, track & field, soccer and the like. There is a unified structure with solid financial support that makes long term investment in its organization and has an equally long term horizon for planning.


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Where does the money come from?
 
funding

Each country that is a member of the EBPF has a national organization that is funded by dues from members and entry fees for tournaments. I believe a portion of those fees goes to the EBPF to fund its efforts. The training and coaching is country by country until the top players are picked for Team Europe.So the funding comes from players and I think the national organizations also get government support similar to support for olympic sports.
 
This is why I thumb my nose at all of the different leagues fighting for bigger pieces of the pie and using none of the windfall to grow and promote the game.... If they all fell by the wayside the track would be cleared for the US to follow the EBPF model and a National organization could be formed.. As it is too many people are cutting the pie up and are unwilling to form an organization or alliance between them all that advances the sport and not their own market share or politics.....

I do realize Mark has started the USAPL with funds being diverted to promote the pro game and there are things in motion with the BCAPL and youth programs... For both of those things I will say a big "thank you" to Mark....

We need all of the leagues to step up if we wish to continue to be competitive on the world stage.....
 
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