TAR 22 is set!

Pfft, kinda like your Chinese girl is even money against any man on the planet?

Dennis Hatch is an underdog against Orcullo and Lee Van, and it is not a small underdog sort of thing, he would get crushed. The line for the match would be large, Hatch would need 15-20 going to 100 in 10-ball to start getting bets. Hell Alex only got to what, 84 against SVB? Orcullo is about as dangerous as SVB, and Hatch is no Alex.

And you will probably agree and WANT those 20 games in order to bet, I cannot see you betting on Hatch even against either of those Filipinos.


You're entitled to your opinion. Actually now there are two or three Chinese GIRLS who might be even money in a tournament match against anyone! Of course in your way of thinking that means nothing, if they won't gamble in a long set. But in my way of thinking tournament matches are also very good tests of how a player holds up under pressure.

As far as Big D is concerned, I happen to like his game - A LOT! Especially gambling! So if he ever plays another TAR match I will be glad to wager a few dollars on the underdog as you so aptly call him. If he should happen to play either filipino champion or anyone else for that matter, 15 games will be sufficient, unless you're just all talk! The ball is in your court sir. :smile:
 
You're entitled to your opinion. Actually now there are two or three Chinese GIRLS who might be even money in a tournament match against anyone! Of course in your way of thinking that means nothing, if they won't gamble in a long set. But in my way of thinking tournament matches are also very good tests of how a player holds up under pressure.

As far as Big D is concerned, I happen to like his game - A LOT! Especially gambling! So if he ever plays another TAR match I will be glad to wager a few dollars on the underdog as you so aptly call him. If he should happen to play either filipino champion or anyone else for that matter, 15 games will be sufficient, unless you're just all talk! The ball is in your court sir. :smile:

Jay this doesnt have much in common with your previous post. But i think you are the best commentator out there hands down. I love hearing your stories and your play by play is top notch. I hope they have you on TAR 22.
 
I have to agree with Charlie Hustle here. Jay does a great job commentating. It's not easy, and everybody's a critic. Keep up the good work Jay!

Scott Lee
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Charlie Hustle, Scott Lee, and Jay Leno all like Jay ... 'nuff said!

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Of course in your way of thinking that means nothing, if they won't gamble in a long set. But in my way of thinking tournament matches are also very good tests of how a player holds up under pressure.

Not true, I told you if/when ever that girl that is as good as any male player in the world in a tournament format plays a top 20 player I would bet with you. When I offered that you were the one that balked at that and whined that I would only bet on the top male players instead of any male player. But my statement was ALWAYS that the TOP men are better then the TOP women, you argued it, and thus I offered to BET on the top men vs those top women.

jay helfert said:
As far as Big D is concerned, I happen to like his game - A LOT! Especially gambling! So if he ever plays another TAR match I will be glad to wager a few dollars on the underdog as you so aptly call him. If he should happen to play either filipino champion or anyone else for that matter, 15 games will be sufficient, unless you're just all talk! The ball is in your court sir. :smile:

Great, you think it is a good bet if Hatch gets 15 games on the wire, I was the one that put that line out there. If you REALLY thought Hatch was in actual fact even money to win a match against Orcullo or Lee Van you would bet even, but you don't truly believe what you say most of the time in these threads, so you wont put your money where your mouth leads. Par for the course with you.

My point is that Hatch is not even money against Orcullo, you seem to want 15 games to make a bet, so we agree, Hatch needs weight from the top players. Good we could clear that up.
 
I don't know about you but I'd kind of like to see Dennis Hatch take on one of the filipino champions like Dennis (perfect, the battle of the two Dennis') or Lee Van. I love watching the Big D go at it. What a game he has! His high gear might be the biggest on the planet. If this guy's break is working, Shane may have to take a back seat. :yes:

I respectfully disagree Jay, I don't think the people that Dennis has played on TAR have play anywhere near the caliber of the three you mention in your post. You got me for a few hundred if Dennis plays any of these three players any pool game.

Enjoyed you in the booth as always for the last Tar event, hopefully you will be doing some of the Open commentary.

Take Care
-don
 
Not true, I told you if/when ever that girl that is as good as any male player in the world in a tournament format plays a top 20 player I would bet with you. When I offered that you were the one that balked at that and whined that I would only bet on the top male players instead of any male player. But my statement was ALWAYS that the TOP men are better then the TOP women, you argued it, and thus I offered to BET on the top men vs those top women.



Great, you think it is a good bet if Hatch gets 15 games on the wire, I was the one that put that line out there. If you REALLY thought Hatch was in actual fact even money to win a match against Orcullo or Lee Van you would bet even, but you don't truly believe what you say most of the time in these threads, so you wont put your money where your mouth leads. Par for the course with you.

My point is that Hatch is not even money against Orcullo, you seem to want 15 games to make a bet, so we agree, Hatch needs weight from the top players. Good we could clear that up.

You don't??? You threw the line out there, Jay jumped on it. He never said it was the right line, but if you are offering it, he will take it. He hasn't backtracked at all.
 
You don't??? You threw the line out there, Jay jumped on it. He never said it was the right line, but if you are offering it, he will take it. He hasn't backtracked at all.

No, actually Jay started off with...

Jay Helfert said:
I'd kind of like to see Dennis Hatch take on one of the filipino champions like Dennis (perfect, the battle of the two Dennis') or Lee Van. I love watching the Big D go at it. What a game he has! His high gear might be the biggest on the planet. If this guy's break is working, Shane may have to take a back seat.

So if Jay thinks that Hatch has a high gear that might be the biggest on the planet and that he could make SVB take a back seat then he can bloody well bet on it.

What I said was people would NEED 15 games to bet on Hatch, and I was simply correct. If Jay instead thinks Hatch is actually as good as he mentioned before I ever stepped into the conversasion he certainly has even action, I will take one for the team and bet against the guy that Jay thinks might have the biggest gear on the planet enough to make SVB take a back seat.

Jay opened up with the above post, if he is not willing to live up to those words then he is certainly waffleing by doing exactly what I said would be required if Hatch played a top pro, he would need games on the wire to get action. Jay is simply proving what I said to be true by not betting even if this match goes off.
 
No, actually Jay started off with...



So if Jay thinks that Hatch has a high gear that might be the biggest on the planet and that he could make SVB take a back seat then he can bloody well bet on it.

What I said was people would NEED 15 games to bet on Hatch, and I was simply correct. If Jay instead thinks Hatch is actually as good as he mentioned before I ever stepped into the conversasion he certainly has even action, I will take one for the team and bet against the guy that Jay thinks might have the biggest gear on the planet enough to make SVB take a back seat.

Jay opened up with the above post, if he is not willing to live up to those words then he is certainly waffleing by doing exactly what I said would be required if Hatch played a top pro, he would need games on the wire to get action. Jay is simply proving what I said to be true by not betting even if this match goes off.

I followed it clearly. You never asked him to bet even, you said Dennis needs weight. Jay accepted. Why would he NOT take games that you are offering?
 
Not true, I told you if/when ever that girl that is as good as any male player in the world in a tournament format plays a top 20 player I would bet with you. When I offered that you were the one that balked at that and whined that I would only bet on the top male players instead of any male player. But my statement was ALWAYS that the TOP men are better then the TOP women, you argued it, and thus I offered to BET on the top men vs those top women.



Great, you think it is a good bet if Hatch gets 15 games on the wire, I was the one that put that line out there. If you REALLY thought Hatch was in actual fact even money to win a match against Orcullo or Lee Van you would bet even, but you don't truly believe what you say most of the time in these threads, so you wont put your money where your mouth leads. Par for the course with you.

My point is that Hatch is not even money against Orcullo, you seem to want 15 games to make a bet, so we agree, Hatch needs weight from the top players. Good we could clear that up.

Let's see, you went from the top 50 (or was it 100) players to the top 20. :smile:
You offered 20 games and when I asked for 15 you balked. :smile: :smile:
I get your point. You don't really mean what you say, you just like to argue. :smile: :smile: :smile:
 
Let's see, you went from the top 50 (or was it 100) players to the top 20. :smile:

It was a while ago, we have action with any of the top 50 then.

jay helfert said:
You offered 20 games and when I asked for 15 you balked. :smile: :smile:

Quote where I personally offered 20 games. Yo can't, because I did not. I stated clearly that in order for people to start getting bets they would need to offer 15-20 games to make Hatch an even bet against the people you mentioned in a race to 100. I did not "offer" you 15 games, stick to the bloody facts and don't resort to posting bullshit to try and win your arguement.


jay helfert said:
I get your point. You don't really mean what you say, you just like to argue. :smile: :smile: :smile:

No, I will bet. If Hatch plays either Orcullo, Lee Van, SVB, or any other top player we have even action for $100 on the match. You want to sit there and say he has the highest gear on the planet? Prove it and put your money where your mouth is, just like I am willing to do on Orcullo, Lee Van, or SVB who I DO think are better then Hatch. There is a REAL offer to counter your mindless banter, wanna bet?

So if you think Hatch is really THAT good then bet on it.
 
It was a while ago, we have action with any of the top 50 then.



Quote where I personally offered 20 games. Yo can't, because I did not. I stated clearly that in order for people to start getting bets they would need to offer 15-20 games to make Hatch an even bet against the people you mentioned in a race to 100. I did not "offer" you 15 games, stick to the bloody facts and don't resort to posting bullshit to try and win your arguement.




No, I will bet. If Hatch plays either Orcullo, Lee Van, SVB, or any other top player we have even action for $100 on the match. You want to sit there and say he has the highest gear on the planet? Prove it and put your money where your mouth is, just like I am willing to do on Orcullo, Lee Van, or SVB who I DO think are better then Hatch. There is a REAL offer to counter your mindless banter, wanna bet?

So if you think Hatch is really THAT good then bet on it.

Bullshit??? I will refer you to your post #30, and I quote, "Dennis is an underdog against Orcullo or Lee Vann. and not a small underdog. He would get crushed! The line for this match would be large, Hatch would need 15-20 games, going to 100 in Ten Ball."

What part of this post am I not understanding? You made a line and now you say that you didn't. I think you're a bit confused because I accepted your line so quickly. That's okay Celtic, I wouldn't bet a dime with you now. I couldn't trust your word. Unlike you if I offer a line, I will back it up!
 
Bullshit??? I will refer you to your post #30, and I quote, "Dennis is an underdog against Orcullo or Lee Vann. and not a small underdog. He would get crushed! The line for this match would be large, Hatch would need 15-20 games, going to 100 in Ten Ball."

What part of this post am I not understanding? You made a line and now you say that you didn't. I think you're a bit confused because I accepted your line so quickly. That's okay Celtic, I wouldn't bet a dime with you now. I couldn't trust your word. Unlike you if I offer a line, I will back it up!

I said he would need games to be even, I did not offer to bet on the match with those games. I am not looking for an even bet.

If you think Hatch has the biggest gear of any player on the planet will you bet even on that statement? Yes or no? Because I WILL bet even on Orcullo, Lee Van, or SVB if they play against him. I don't need game odds to bet on those guys playing against Hatch, the real question is do you NEED game odds to bet on Hatch against them?

By the way, I know you wont bet, you will sit there and "talk" about how Hatch has the highest gear on the planet but with you words are just banter with no substance to back them up.

My words, Hatch is NOT as good nor does he have a gear to go with the top players, and I WILL bet even on that statement.
 
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