Better equipment, shafts, Tips, and Kamui Chalk, but the 526 RUN RECORDS Stands?

The Saw said:
Everyone always wants to say that since the table is smaller that theres more congestion and hence its tougher to run out.... BS! You can't show me one pocket billiard game where its tougher on a smaller table! Especially with elite players playing..... It makes kisses and caroms much easier to play, its easier to pocket balls, easier to play shape on multiple balls, etc.... Everything is easier. Why are we now seeing a resurgence of 10' tables? Riddle me that..... Because its less congested and easier? LOL

The first time I ever seen John Schmidt was when he first travelled east from California in a poolroom in Columbus, Georgia. He was practicing straight pool on an 8'er, it was a total joke.... AND, that was on a Gold Crown with regular pockets (no bigger than 4-3/4", maybe 4-1/2). No comparison to me seeing him play straight pool years later on a 9'er when he was a much better player. On a super loose 8'er like the 526 table John may shoot until his eyes start bleeding from lack of sleep....

I've seen Corey play a lot of rotation on a 9'er and its the most impessive thing I have ever personally witnessed in pool. I've also seen him play it on a bar box.... Most people think its impossible because of "congestion". Its a joke, that what it is..... Wayyyyyy easier on the bar table.
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It's simple math. If the balls are the same size... and the table bed is smaller... you have... (wait for it) more congestion.

oh yes: and one match on a 10' table does not mean there's any kind of a "resurgence." Neither does Diamond making a few more.

Lou Figueroa
 
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The Saw said:
Guess again fool..... Thats some funny sh!t, you calling other people nits!!! Do a poll. Whos the nittier poster and whos the nittier gambler, me or you? That poll will put you in your place. Nit.
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I guess when I said "I can see you're done on this topic." I should have included words like "with intelligent discussion in this thread" but I made the mistake of thinking that was understood.

Lou Figueroa
 
Roger Long said:
I don't believe there is any resurgence of 10' tables going on. Nick Varner made the comment to me just the other day that he thinks 8-footers and 9-footers are on their way out, and that everybody will be playing on barboxes before long. That sounded a little far fetched to me, but I think it's a far more accurate statement than saying there is a "resurgence" of 10-foot tables.

Roger
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There seems to be one guy out there that believes there's a resurgence going on with 10' tables. Of course he's got other issues too. This would be the least of them :-)

Lou Figueroa
 
The Saw said:
OMG!!! Thats what I've been inferring all along!!! WOW!!! Are you really that dense???

9' and 10' tables were the standard for professional play at the time. For him to set the record on an 8' table when a 9' table was available, regardless of the make, is chickenshit, plain and simple.... If it were a non-Brunswick sponsored player and they opted to play on an 8' instead of a 9', would the BCA have accepted the record? No.....

The run took 2 hours and 10 minutes..... It was 1954 and he was doing an exhibition, do you really think they didn't start until 10:30 or 11:00??? Nice try.... Spinning it with pure speculation now, huh Lou?
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I thnk you were trying to say more than the table was soft, with Jimmy the Trousers.

Mosconi walked in and played on his sponsor's equipment. The match was to 200 and he was encouraged to keep going. There's no evidence (except in the vacant space underneath your turban) that he started out looking for a record that night.

The exhibition started at 8pm on March 19, 1954, upstairs at Bob Haas' East High Billiards. His opponent, hometown hero Earl Bruney missed and for three hours Mosconi shot and ran out the 200. (Here, Saw, since math is apparently not your strong suit, that makes it 11pm -- 526 balls in 2 hours and 10 minutes, what a maroon.) The next day, March 20, 1954, at 12:50am, he missed the 527th ball. It was a six ball in the corner. Mosconi said that he originally thought he's go to 250 and quit. Then he got to 300 and it was then that he said thought about the record and went for it. He said all he wanted to do that night was put on a nice show and put up a decent run for the owner.

I guess he did.

Lou Figueroa
lol, who is speculating now?
 
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DoubleD said:
This is completely different than the 61.

First, 61 took a full baseball season to accomplish. 527 will take a good part of an afternoon.

Second, this board represents a huge percentage of the people in the world who know about the record.

Third, the general public knows nothing about straight pool, so the number is meaningless to them. You might as well tell them that the world record was held by a 4'2" tall blind guy who used a toilet plunger for a cue and had a talking parrot who aimed for him. It'll have the same effect.

Finally, this thread has already proved why it would be a hollow victory: No matter who does it, no matter which table it is, regardless of the type of cue, cloth, cushion, balls, whatever, somebody will talk about someone else doing something with harder conditions--and discount the achievement because of that.

There will be no money in it. Who would profit from it?

dld
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I think if the right angle was presented, there definately could be a reason to do it. First the player.. might be marketable. Every appearance after will be met with.. World Consecutive Straight Pool Hi Run Holder..... definatly worth more for exhibitions... the cue, the case, chalk.. heck if its on a diamond, you'll know it will be advertised to death. So I think that there would be some interest to a sponsor stepping up and maybe trying to get this accomplished.

The Predator 527, the Jacoby Hi-Straight.. tons of things.. The Justis 14:1 special.. on and on... just saying there could be pay offs.

JV
 
mantis99 said:
Yes,
Straight pool gets much less attention by player than it did 50 yrs ago. If the top pros all played it as their main game, I imagine that the record would have been broken by now. Also, if I am not mistaken, that record was done on an 8 ft table, not the 9's played on today.
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Mosconi set the world record by running 526 consecutive balls without a miss during a straight pool exhibition in Springfield, Ohio on March 19–20, 1954. To this day the record has not been toppled and many speculate it may never be bested.[8][9] A handwritten and notarized affidavit[10] with the signatures of more than 35 eyewitnesses exists as proof of this feat.

The record was set on a 4 × 8 foot Brunswick table with 5 1/4 inch corner pockets at the East High Billiard Club. Today's standard for tables may be considered more difficult to play on than this exhibition table in the sense that longer shots are required (today's standard tables are 9 x 4 1/2 ft) with 4 1/2 to 4 3/4 inch pockets, but today's tables may be considered easier to play on in the sense that there is more room for the balls to spread, creating unfettered shots. Mosconi competed successfully on 4 1/2 × 9 and 5 x 10 ft tables. The 526-ball record just happened to be on a 4 × 8 ft table, a size seldom used in professional play, but used for the billiard club exhibition that day. In fact, the room owner expected the exhibition to take place on the room's 9 foot table. That table was not a Brunswick, so Willie was required to play on one of the Brunswick 8 foot tables.

Even so,,,imagine the level of concentration needed to run 526,,,,,,,,shows why he was world champion 15 times.
 
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DoubleD said:
There will be no money in it. Who would profit from it?

dld
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There seems to be a lot of people on here who think there would be no incentive for making a run of 527, or better, and I beg to differ.

When Earl Strickland ran 11 racks for the $1,000,000 (which he never got most of), there was a rush of people running out and buying the Cuetec (CT-272) white model that he used.

Since everyone seems to think that SVB is the best American player today, with the most concentration and dedication, I think it would be a profitable venture for Cuetec to set up a similar table and have him try to beat the record using one of their cues (which he does already).

Then they could, arguably, say that "Cuetec produces the best players and cues".

These pros play numerous hours every week, so I don't think it would be too much effort on their part to attempt the record run (unless they know that they can't beat it and don't want to admit it).
 
HawaiianEye said:
There seems to be a lot of people on here who think there would be no incentive for making a run of 527, or better, and I beg to differ.

When Earl Strickland ran 11 racks for the $1,000,000 (which he never got most of), there was a rush of people running out and buying the Cuetec (CT-272) white model that he used.

Since everyone seems to think that SVB is the best American player today, with the most concentration and dedication, I think it would be a profitable venture for Cuetec to set up a similar table and have him try to beat the record using one of their cues (which he does already).

Then they could, arguably, say that "Cuetec produces the best players and cues".

These pros play numerous hours every week, so I don't think it would be too much effort on their part to attempt the record run (unless they know that they can't beat it and don't want to admit it).
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Mosconi went into a strange pool room one night and, after a few innings of safety play and his opponent missing after a three ball run, he launches into the run. It was "live," so to speak.

So some sponsor sets up an 8' circa 1954 Brunswick under perfect conditions, turns on a video camera, and turns a player(s) loose until, hours, days, weeks, or months of endless attempts the record is broken. I'm sure it can be done that way, but it will never be the same.

Lou Figueroa
 
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lfigueroa said:
It's simple math. If the balls are the same size... and the table bed is smaller... you have... (wait for it) more congestion.

oh yes: and one match on a 10' table does not mean there's any kind of a "resurgence." Neither does Diamond making a few more.

Lou Figueroa
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Check with your local community college and see if they offer a beginners course in reading comprehension....

Congestion doesn't mean its harder.... As I said, "Especially with elite players playing..... It makes kisses and caroms much easier to play, its easier to pocket balls, easier to play shape on multiple balls, etc.... Everything is easier.". If the little tables are so much harder why is all major tournaments played on 9' tables? Must be because its easier....:rolleyes:

Two years ago was anyone talking about 10' tables, was any manufacturer making them? No. Now? Yes.

re·sur·gence

1. A continuing after interruption; a renewal.
2. A restoration to use, acceptance, activity, or vigor; a revival.

Nice try champ....
 
lfigueroa said:
I guess when I said "I can see you're done on this topic." I should have included words like "with intelligent discussion in this thread" but I made the mistake of thinking that was understood.

Lou Figueroa
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Cite references to any form of intelligence you have graced upon us in this thread..... Don't snap the rubber band thinking too hard.
 
lfigueroa said:
I thnk you were trying to say more than the table was soft, with Jimmy the Trousers. I must be doing something right, now you're making fun of a good elderly man..... You're a nice, classy guy Lou....

Mosconi walked in and played on his sponsor's equipment. The match was to 200 and he was encouraged to keep going. There's no evidence (except in the vacant space underneath your turban) that he started out looking for a record that night.

The exhibition started at 8pm on March 19, 1954, upstairs at Bob Haas' East High Billiards. His opponent, hometown hero Earl Bruney missed and for three hours Mosconi shot and ran out the 200. (Here, Saw, since math is apparently not your strong suit, that makes it 11pm -- 526 balls in 2 hours and 10 minutes, what a maroon.) The next day, March 20, 1954, at 12:50am, he missed the 527th ball. It was a six ball in the corner. Mosconi said that he originally thought he's go to 250 and quit. Then he got to 300 and it was then that he said thought about the record and went for it. He said all he wanted to do that night was put on a nice show and put up a decent run for the owner. Better cite your source there Lou... Never seen that written anywhere. DON'T FORGET TOTELL US THE PAGE #!

I guess he did.

Lou Figueroa
lol, who is speculating now?
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My reds............
 
lfigueroa said:
Mosconi went into a strange pool room one night and, after a few innings of safety play and his opponent missing after a three ball run, he launches into the run. It was "live," so to speak.

So some sponsor sets up an 8' circa 1954 Brunswick under perfect conditions, turns on a video camera, and turns a player(s) loose until, hours, days, weeks, or months of endless attempts the record is broken. I'm sure it can be done that way, but it will never be the same.

Lou Figueroa
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The same could have been said for Mosconi himself. You can dig him up and turn him to Frankenstein and have him try again. Who knows how long it'd take him. He did it that one time, sure. How many "attempts" did he have before the 526? 2000? It was his first THAT NIGHT, but that's just fate.

Just like John Schmidt went to NYC for an exhibition and ran 150 on his first attempt for an exhibition. John can run 100 on almost any attempt (just using him as an example, I could also say Thorsten, Oliver, Sigel, Mizerak, Varner, Hopkins, Mika, whoever). Randomly, one day, in front of people, he (or they) might be a man possessed and run a mega run too. If John can run 400+ on a 9'er at QMasters, that's every bit of a 526 on a peach basket 8'er. Hopkins has 410, Nagy had 400-something, hell--- even Strickland ran over 400 I believe. STRICKLAND.

Sure - Mosconi was prob the best ever. He wasn't THAT much better than the next 10-20 elite guys. There were PLENTY of guys in history where Mosconi could dog the opening break and sit down for the 150 point game.

Not knocking the guy-- but you're putting the guy on a pedestal that's a little too high over the shoulders of history's other mega champions (many of which have 400+ ball runs on MUCH MUCH tougher equipment).
 
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The Saw said:
Check with your local community college and see if they offer a beginners course in reading comprehension....

Congestion doesn't mean its harder.... As I said, "Especially with elite players playing..... It makes kisses and caroms much easier to play, its easier to pocket balls, easier to play shape on multiple balls, etc.... Everything is easier.". If the little tables are so much harder why is all major tournaments played on 9' tables? Must be because its easier....:rolleyes:

Two years ago was anyone talking about 10' tables, was any manufacturer making them? No. Now? Yes.

re·sur·gence

1. A continuing after interruption; a renewal.
2. A restoration to use, acceptance, activity, or vigor; a revival.

Nice try champ....
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Congestion is not so difficult to deal with playing 14.1, if you're Mosconi. Anyone else....

What restoration, acceptance, and renewal with vigor is there except a one match?

List em.

Lou Figueroa
I'm just an OK amateur
no champ
but thanks anyway
 
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