This is why I always carry at least one stone with me.
Sportmanship at US Open
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This is why I always carry at least one stone with me.
I think you hit the nail on the head!
I don't know Larry, and I didn't see this particular outburst, and I certainly don't condone anything like this, but, this stuff is bound to happen.
I'll bet Larry is more upset about his actions than anyone. Emotions are human and humans display emotions. That doesn't make it right it just makes it human.
The poster that mentioned baseball's outbursts made a good point. Coaches kicking sand on refs, breaking bats and so on ... all stuff the fans like. No sport is without these kinds of things now and again. In fact, maybe we should have full contact 9 ball. That'll spur some interest in the sport.
I remember Sigel smashing his shaft when he played John Schmidt straight pool one time. Its wrong, but it happens to the best of us.
I'll bet Larry is more upset about his actions than anyone. Emotions are human and humans display emotions. That doesn't make it right it just makes it human.
The poster that mentioned baseball's outbursts made a good point. Coaches kicking sand on refs, breaking bats and so on ... all stuff the fans like. No sport is without these kinds of things now and again. In fact, maybe we should have full contact 9 ball. That'll spur some interest in the sport.
I remember Sigel smashing his shaft when he played John Schmidt straight pool one time. Its wrong, but it happens to the best of us.
My eight-year-old was diagnosed with Type 1 diabetes four years ago. Type 1 diabetes, also known as "juvenile diabetes", is a form of diabetes mellitus that results from autoimmune destruction of insulin-producing beta cells of the pancreas.
Type 2 diabetes is primarily found in older people, as they are more susceptible to developing the disease since aging makes the body less tolerant of sugars. In addition, those at a higher risk for the disease are primarily ones who are obese or overweight, or people with family members who have type 2 diabetes.
My son checks his blood sugar levels a minimum of ten times a day, sometimes more depending on the day's activities. His "target range" is between 80 and 150bg. If he tests higher than 150, the insulin is used to bring his levels back down to the 80-150 range. When he is below 80, he's given approximately 15 grams worth of carbs (juice box, two Oreo cookies, etc) to bring him UP into the target range.
When there's an incident or outburst, the first thing we do is "check his blood". There are times when he's high or low, and other times he's within his target range. So if I wanted to blame his behavior on "low blood sugar" when he's moody, what do I say when he's in a 'pissy' mood and he tests 'normal' ?
I think using 'diabetes' for an outburst is a pretty piss-poor excuse, and I truly hope that this reasoning is only speculation by the members here, and not the reason given by the player in question.
That's my $.02...
Type 2 diabetes is primarily found in older people, as they are more susceptible to developing the disease since aging makes the body less tolerant of sugars. In addition, those at a higher risk for the disease are primarily ones who are obese or overweight, or people with family members who have type 2 diabetes.
My son checks his blood sugar levels a minimum of ten times a day, sometimes more depending on the day's activities. His "target range" is between 80 and 150bg. If he tests higher than 150, the insulin is used to bring his levels back down to the 80-150 range. When he is below 80, he's given approximately 15 grams worth of carbs (juice box, two Oreo cookies, etc) to bring him UP into the target range.
When there's an incident or outburst, the first thing we do is "check his blood". There are times when he's high or low, and other times he's within his target range. So if I wanted to blame his behavior on "low blood sugar" when he's moody, what do I say when he's in a 'pissy' mood and he tests 'normal' ?
I think using 'diabetes' for an outburst is a pretty piss-poor excuse, and I truly hope that this reasoning is only speculation by the members here, and not the reason given by the player in question.
That's my $.02...
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I think after a couple of days Nevel will be upset at himself for his reaction but also be very proud of himself for doing so well in the tournament.
I too have broken a cue in the past...things happen in the heat of the battle that you often regret later on, but you have to move on.
I congratulate Nevel for his high finish.
I too have broken a cue in the past...things happen in the heat of the battle that you often regret later on, but you have to move on.
I congratulate Nevel for his high finish.
If he was so badly injured a week ago that he almost died, how did he finish 5-6 in the US Open the following week?
Sometimes when you are in competition you have this reflex reaction to your frustration. I did it in a baseball game and the ump called me on it. He actually didn't need to call me on it because I immediately felt really dumb for doing it, but it was a snap emotional reaction.
It hasn't happened since then. Perhaps I am more mature, or maybe I just haven't been in the right frame of mind at the right time for it to happen again. Something like what I did, or what Larry did isn't a 10 minute tirade....it's a snap emotional reaction.
It hasn't happened since then. Perhaps I am more mature, or maybe I just haven't been in the right frame of mind at the right time for it to happen again. Something like what I did, or what Larry did isn't a 10 minute tirade....it's a snap emotional reaction.
I agree with one of the posters especially after reviewing the youtube video posted in this forum. Larry didn't slam his cue down in an effort to snap his shaft. It looked to be more of a frustration and not as much an emotional upset as some have suggested.
I have never broken a shaft in my life nor a cue but I have tapped my shaft on the table in frustration and the few times that I have done it, I could have easily snapped my shaft.
Frustration happens to all of us at one time or another. Larry will work on his frustrations and so will we all (or not). :smile:
I have never broken a shaft in my life nor a cue but I have tapped my shaft on the table in frustration and the few times that I have done it, I could have easily snapped my shaft.
Frustration happens to all of us at one time or another. Larry will work on his frustrations and so will we all (or not). :smile:
JoeyA...I watched the video too. It was poor quality. I was standing right there when Larry snapped the shaft. It was no accident...it certainly was a moment of high frustration. Larry had played well for twelve hours straight, and a sudden turn of events got to him.
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I literally can't believe what i'm reading, I guess i'm getting used to that though.
You guys are trying to defend this stuff?? When you do that, that means that players are more apt to do this more in the future. When you "reinforce" a behavior with positivity (or neutrality), you will get the same behavior. That is point number one.
Point 2, yes, emotions are involved in prestigious events like this. BUT, it is the very essence of a great player that these emotions are controlled!!! That is the whole deal. Control of emotions is pool, and this definitely carries over into not making yourself look like a flailing monkey when the whole world and potential fans sponsors etc can see.
I could go on and on, but i'll just leave it simple.... I am just very surprised everybody is not 100% on his case. This behavior needs to stop happening. If he wants to keep doing it, great, but he should suffer some serious consequences in my estimation.
You guys are trying to defend this stuff?? When you do that, that means that players are more apt to do this more in the future. When you "reinforce" a behavior with positivity (or neutrality), you will get the same behavior. That is point number one.
Point 2, yes, emotions are involved in prestigious events like this. BUT, it is the very essence of a great player that these emotions are controlled!!! That is the whole deal. Control of emotions is pool, and this definitely carries over into not making yourself look like a flailing monkey when the whole world and potential fans sponsors etc can see.
I could go on and on, but i'll just leave it simple.... I am just very surprised everybody is not 100% on his case. This behavior needs to stop happening. If he wants to keep doing it, great, but he should suffer some serious consequences in my estimation.
I didn't say he was so badly injured that he almost died. I said he almost died and was lucky to be alive. He hit a semi and flipped his jeep. Anytime I wake up when I hit a semi on the interstate and then flip my vehicle, I'm going to be thinking I almost died and was lucky to be alive. (Disclaimer: I have never actually did that. Yet)
He was lucky as hell that he didn't have major injuries. He did mention on facebook that because of his injuries he did sustain, that his break was only about 30%.
As far as my post.. I said I don't condone his actions. I simply asked that people take into account the things I discussed in my post.
If I was a promoter or director of the event, I would not put up with that type of stuff and would penalize a player accordingly. No matter what a person does, they should be held accountable.
I was watching a TAR stream from the US bar Table championships and Larry was acting out there too. I mentioned that he had kind of an attitude/temper problem and of course I got flamed for it.
I have seen this from him numerous times, and I have only watched him play maybe a dozen.
1) People are people and will do what people do
2) Professionals need to act professionally, rising above what is considered conventional or average actions/reactions
my 2 and a half cents
I have seen this from him numerous times, and I have only watched him play maybe a dozen.
1) People are people and will do what people do
2) Professionals need to act professionally, rising above what is considered conventional or average actions/reactions
my 2 and a half cents
It's late so I didn't read all of the posts so forgive me if this was pointed out.... That match was not just streamed... It was actually recorded and is being sent to ESPN Star.... 6 million viewers are about to see the cue snap in HD vs Alex......
It's a black eye for American players anyway you slice it... I completely understand the roller coaster of emotions but the melt down in the Hatch match AFTER the cue snap on the TV table tells an ugly tale to people out there that have not had the pleasure of meeting Larry in person....
It's a black eye for American players anyway you slice it... I completely understand the roller coaster of emotions but the melt down in the Hatch match AFTER the cue snap on the TV table tells an ugly tale to people out there that have not had the pleasure of meeting Larry in person....
Give the sport 10 Earl Stricklands and toss in a few Nevels that had a great run in a spot a lot say he shouldn't be there and show me the ticket count. Then give me 10 Souquets and toss in a couple Appeltons, no disrespect to Souquet or Applelton "obviously great players". Then let's tally up the count. There may be a reason pool don't fill seats when so many think this should be a sport of gentlemen that put their coat over a puddle for the lady but preach rebuilding, image, blah blah to the sport. Fact is however many play the game few understand it isn't a game of trick shots at the bar beered up. So with a mass audience wanted ballet dancers don't fill seats, character does. Sh** happens, welcome to competition and an imperfect world of gentlemen.
Yeah, then we'll have people snapping cues or throwing the balls around every 2 dozen shots and that will be fine? I just dont think you even realize what you are condoning (to a tv audience), i really dont.
These guys play pool for a living. They have to deal with major disappointment after certain shots their whole lives. If they haven't figured out how to properly deal with those emotions by now, it's obvious to me we need to start laying down some serious consequences.
If REAL, consistent, Liveable money was there, if it was an organized tour, if if if, then monthy pro events would be right $$$$$$....and it would be easier to gain control of the animals. Even if and when this does happen, these non condonable actions will still occurr, but fine$ will speak loudly and the Elephant in the room will slowly be quieted by the association and its peers....PGA come to mind?
who gives an ef? you guys say it's a sport, right? shouldn't a guy have some room to express his competitive spirit? it happens in hockey several times a game (ie breaking stick) and you don't see them losing sponsorship over it. and you act like pool has some kind of great reputation to uphold. what a joke