This^ Mine aren't laminated, either.
Why are people against Predator cue`s & Low Deflections shaft?
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This^ Mine aren't laminated, either.
Ha ha. Great seinfeld quote
Then how many titles were won by Cuetec and Meucci? Players won National and World titles with them. In my opinion, it is a bad analogy to equate a pro using a cue / shaft to the quality of that product. It's the player and not the cue, people don't want to believe it but it still holds. Maybe Professional pool should be more like NASCAR and have each player play with the exact same cue, ferrule and tip, control the weight ranges just like the NASCAR cars.
I should have said 80s and earlier, so sue me.
Not using an LD shaft and being against it are two different things. You would probably be the former. Of course LD shafts are not for everybody because they take some getting use to. Hell I don't even use an LD shaft because my cue maker would stop making cues for me if I did, lol. Many of the latter are actually against LD shafts as in they think they are a crutch and that people that use them aren't learning the game correctly. Similar to how your local bar banger thinks use of the mechanical bridge is pussy pool. Those are the kind of people I am talking about.
nobody makes one that im aware of
why not?? it's the best thing since sliced bread just ask all the broke American Gamblers getting free shafts from predator...
maybe the Brits havent heard of it yet....perhaps Daz hasn't told them about the miracles of plywood??
if the Tech REALLY mattered.. Really changed the game..the people going after the biggest dollars would use it....they don't..
explain that...
it does make a difference. but only as far as learning to adjust. i learned to play with a 314 and now i play with just about anything. its like shooting a rifle with no wind. after you learn to zero it you can adjust to just about anything
Contrary to popular belief, not all the pro's that use the shafts are sponsored by them. Some are just like the rest of us, they experiment often and stick to what works FOR THEM.
TheThaiger
Banned
Very few Brits, who aren't pool nerds like me, have even heard of deflection. Most snooker players I mention it to think I'm either lying or an idiot.
Snooker cues are 8-10mm and deflect so little it's not worth worrying about. The balls are small and light too. The table is big and there are wide open to spaces to play into. You don't NEED to spin the ball much in snooker.
Your point is irrelevant and your tirade against Predator tiresome.
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Ill Gotten Gain
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This is exactly how I feel too. I used to play with Predator shafts, then Tiger shafts, and now I play with conventional shafts. They all have benefits over each other. To be honest, I can pocket balls and play position the same with all of them. I just need a little time to adjust to whichever shaft I am using at the time.
There is no debate about LD shafts. It's whatever you use that gets the ball in the pocket. It's whatever gets you that tournament win. It's whatever gets you that money. It's whatever you use to run a package or play that sick safety.
Plenty of money and tournaments have been won with people using LD shafts and conventional shafts.
My only knock about LD shafts is really the shaft weight. I try to preserve the balance of the cue I am using it on. Problem with LD shafts is that they are usually lighter than conventional shafts. I always get a LD shaft that weighs the same as the original shaft of the cue I putting it on. Keeps the balance point the same so I don't have to get used the new balance point. I prefer front heavy cues so this is critical for me.
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The only complaint I've heard about Predator's cues is that they are expensive, and some people don't like the "hit" or "feel" or small diameter of LD shafts.
Low-squirt shafts (AKA low-cue-ball-deflection or LD shafts) do have pros and cons. For more info, see:
Regards,
Dave
And aiming system.
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I wasn't really aware that there were many people against Predator, just that some don't find the benefit in an LD shaft. I'm one of those. I've tried a few of them and I don't care for the feel and it doesn't help me make more balls. If it works for someone else, great. I've got nothing against them but they're not for everyone is all.
I tried to use one a while back for a while, but couldn't get used to it. Was kind of like starting over in some ways. I don't use them, but am not against them. I know some very good players that swear by them and would never use anything else. I say use what works for you be it regular shaft or the LD shaft. No matter to me.
actually technically....
All snooker cues are low deflection...
It's the reduced end mass that makes a cue low deflection. Those skinny shafts with their taper create a kind of reduced end mass and in effect a LD cue...
Jaden
All snooker cues are low deflection...
It's the reduced end mass that makes a cue low deflection. Those skinny shafts with their taper create a kind of reduced end mass and in effect a LD cue...
Jaden
For pool....
I think that the best three things you can do to play the game at a high level are...
1) learn some fundamentals, and focus on getting a repeatable consistent stroke..
2) learn to let the weight of the cue do the work....
3) Learn BHE.... In order for most people to use BHE, they need a conventional shaft to avoid having a super long bridge...
Most people don't want to learn the game... Most people want to go under the assumption that they are naturally talented and don't need to learn the game...
In almost no cases is this really true...
Most of the people that this appears to be true with, or even if they believe it to be true themselves, if you dig deep you'll find that they usually had a world class mentor at an early age, when our psyche and physiology is wired to absorb information and learn new skills. Combine that with a naturally high level of hand/eye and visual spatial acuity and you'll have a top notch pool player that appears to just have had natural talent..
LD shafts, aiming systems, banking and kicking systems are not for these people....
They are designed for every day players to achieve their highest level of play as quickly and easily as possible.
You'll have three different types of pros and two will sometimes comment on this.
You'll have the pro that thinks they got there on their own natural talent who thinks that no one can get as good as they are without that same talent.
You'll have the pro who knows and at least USED the knowledge and the systems in the past to get where they are through hard work and LOTS of practice who won't comment on it...
The you'll have the contractually obligated pro who may or may not use the systems and tech but will comment on it out of contractual obligation...
Now I use the term pro here loosely, it's really any high level player...
Who cares if someone knocks or doesn't knock a particular product or system????
Choose who you're going to trust and most importantly trust your own experience based on your level of play...
I'm sorry, if you're a three in the apa, you might want to take the advice of a BCA master instructor over your own, and over even that naturally talented person who plays phenomenally.
Hell, you might want to even take the word of the guy who turned a non player into an APA 7/9 in 15 months... but I don't want to toot my own horn too much.
JAden
I think that the best three things you can do to play the game at a high level are...
1) learn some fundamentals, and focus on getting a repeatable consistent stroke..
2) learn to let the weight of the cue do the work....
3) Learn BHE.... In order for most people to use BHE, they need a conventional shaft to avoid having a super long bridge...
Most people don't want to learn the game... Most people want to go under the assumption that they are naturally talented and don't need to learn the game...
In almost no cases is this really true...
Most of the people that this appears to be true with, or even if they believe it to be true themselves, if you dig deep you'll find that they usually had a world class mentor at an early age, when our psyche and physiology is wired to absorb information and learn new skills. Combine that with a naturally high level of hand/eye and visual spatial acuity and you'll have a top notch pool player that appears to just have had natural talent..
LD shafts, aiming systems, banking and kicking systems are not for these people....
They are designed for every day players to achieve their highest level of play as quickly and easily as possible.
You'll have three different types of pros and two will sometimes comment on this.
You'll have the pro that thinks they got there on their own natural talent who thinks that no one can get as good as they are without that same talent.
You'll have the pro who knows and at least USED the knowledge and the systems in the past to get where they are through hard work and LOTS of practice who won't comment on it...
The you'll have the contractually obligated pro who may or may not use the systems and tech but will comment on it out of contractual obligation...
Now I use the term pro here loosely, it's really any high level player...
Who cares if someone knocks or doesn't knock a particular product or system????
Choose who you're going to trust and most importantly trust your own experience based on your level of play...
I'm sorry, if you're a three in the apa, you might want to take the advice of a BCA master instructor over your own, and over even that naturally talented person who plays phenomenally.
Hell, you might want to even take the word of the guy who turned a non player into an APA 7/9 in 15 months... but I don't want to toot my own horn too much.
JAden
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I think they are probably right... repeating ad slogans as fact is a bit silly .. lets go to McDonalds and have a healthy meal....
deflection isn't a matter of ONLY the cue.. you see it's about the mass of the cue vs the mass of the ball
the ratio of ball size and average shaft diameter is roughly equal between snooker and pool therefore the deflection ratio stays about the same.
The Reason pro snooker players don't worry about it.. is because it's not worth worrying about.. most pro pool players know this as well.
I'm sorry it went over your head.. try turning off the advertising and re-read what I said.. hopefully someday you might understand it.
TheThaiger
Banned
It amazes me that those who are in love with their Predator or other low deflection aftermarket shaft can't understand that some people just don't like the way the aftermarket LD shafts play. Instead it sometimes apperas they want to insist that everyone must play with the same thing they are playing with this week or play with what the current tournament winner is playing with/endorsing.
It seems like so very many can't understand people are different. I've seen it over and over in pool rooms through out the years.
Two people meet in a tournament or matching up and one player completely outplays the other and the loser says something to the effect of, what kind of cue, shaft, tip etc are you using.
It seems they would rather attribute their crushing loss to equipment and not that their opponent was a better player.