Turning down shafts

scdiveteam said:
Hi Joe,

I did acknowledge that most people want a thinner shaft but that is not what I care to build. My drafted engineering design of my cue plays very stiff hitting. If I can only sell to a small nitch part of the market I am ok with that. Less aggregate competition.

No I don't have the barrels like Omega or Gina. I don't know if they treat the shafts any better but If it does and I find out you can bet your butt I am adding them to my process control.

I don't want to sell cues to World Champions any way. They will want it for free and then sell it anyway. You know that.

Rick
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Doesn't that prove WORLD CLASS PLAYERS don't play with 4 oz shafts ?
I don't know what to make up of world class hit and shaft weights if most of the world champions are playing with twigs.
There is nothing wrong with 4 oz shafts but to make a requirement to have " world class " hit is pointless imo.

As far as the barrel goes, if DPK the master of the universe does it, it must be good.
 
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scdiveteam said:
Hi Joe,

When I refer to world class it has to do with the quality of producing something using statistical process control with QA/QC. It has nothing to do with playing a pool game.

World Class objectives in any process seeks to attain the highest quality achievable for tasks at hand and are born in the culture in which one performs steps to a task(s) seeking to raise the bar of expectation. There is always a better, faster or more consistent means to an end if one explores the minute details and performs beta testing to prove or disprove a notion or possible innovation.

This culture is perfect for the cue making art because there are a million and one details required to be mastered and performed.

This particular thread was about processing shaft wood from start to finish and there has been a lot of trading of ideas back and forth. That's peer check and review which is the cornerstone of programs that have world class objectives, not subjectives. It is like comparing science to metaphysics, there is no comparison there. There are many myths that are passed on in the business of making cues and everyone has the right to their own opinion. I for one want to see the numbers before I buy into a practice.

I'm just saying.

Rick
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IMHO, the shaft of your cue is the most important feature element concerning the way your cue hits. Your taper and the density of the wood is paramount if you want a world class hit to all of your cue. I reject all shafts under 3.9 oz and I know what that shaft is going to weigh pretty much at .925. This can be achieved by hand selecting your planks and buy the heaviest one with the straightest grain.
You were talking about the HIT , weren't you ?
Not the process .
I got tons of heavy shafts but I don't think shafts have to be heavy to have world class hit.
 
scdiveteam said:
Joe,

I surrender, I guess you got me this time. But your are missing the forest for the trees, me thinks.

We are here to discuss making pool cues, or did I miss something. World Class Hit is a subjective metaphor that means one thing to one person and another thing to someone else. To me it means stiff hit as my ideal in cue making. Nothing more.

Rick

Here. I'll save you a mouse click or 2 to a dictionary:

metaphor |ˈmetəˌfôr; -fər|
noun
a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable

Help Mr Wizzard "My Head is spinning"

"The circular argument uses its own conclusion as one of its stated or unstated premises. Instead of offering proof, it simply asserts the conclusion in another form, thereby inviting the listener to accept it as settled when, in fact, it has not been settled. Because the premise is no different from and therefore as questionable as its conclusion, a circular argument violates the criterion of acceptability."
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I only take unconditional surrenders.
Sorry, Rick, that's more hyperbole than "subjective" metaphor.
We all goof but, admitting it then dancing around it makes it just worse.
Reminds me of the Black Knight from a Monty Python movie.
 
scdiveteam said:
My drafted engineering design of my cue plays very stiff hitting. If I can only sell to a small nitch part of the market I am ok with that. Less aggregate competition.

Rick
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Hey Rick-

It sounds as if you and I have similar goals in mind for the way a cue plays.

My holy grail is a 59" cue that plays like an old 57" cue. Seems simple enough, but it's not, as I'm sure you know.

I would like to try one of your cues at some point... :thumbup:


I have nothing to add to the discussion as I have only made a handful of shafts and the process is not finalized. Curently it involves a single point and a lot of sanding...:o
 
No, climate has nothing to do with the way I cut my shafts. My philosophy is for my shafts to spend most of their time as close to finish size as possible. No sense in seasoning wood that you are going to cut off later.

JerseyBill said:
Do you think the climate / humidity in your state has a bearing on how you treat your wood? And do you think other states should do the same?
thanks, JerseyBill
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Back on topic,

One thing I learned from this thread is that Murray and JerseyBill finish their taper at .517 also.

I fought this for a while before getting my bar set to .517 finish to allow for sanding to 13MM.

Thanks,

Rick
 
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Mr Hoppe said:
Eric, seriously. How could someone read the post that you made above and not feel that their character has just been "bashed?" IMO, your comments were out of line. I'm just saying that I know my temperature would have raised a few degrees if these words were directed at me.
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Agreed. That's why I deleted it right after I posted it. I deleted before any other posts were made, but unfortunately it wasn't fast enough. My intention wasn't to be aggressive, but the post came out that way. When I realized it, I deleted it.
 
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scdiveteam said:
Eric,

Telling cue makers that it takes 29 hours to make a plain jane, pleeeese!!! ( Yea maybe if your Fred Flinstone and the lathe is powered by little animals running in a squirrel cage) I was born at night Eric, but not last night. You may think you can bullshit some new people to cue making but I for one think you are either bull shiting on purpose or you are pathological.
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call me fred flinstone it takes me atleast that long, just think the pet store thinks i like mice lol run my pretties run :rotflmao1:

seriously it takes me that long, i spent a hour today installing a joint pin:mad: seems like i always have some kind of complication that takes me 4X longer than it should on a cue, todays issue i couldnt figure out why i had som much run out on a barreled pin??? took me a hr to check the pin it was cut like a cone and had about 4 thous diffrence from one side of the shoulder to the other, so i did a 180 jump shot accross the room to a perfect swoosh into the trash can:thumbup: ans all was well.

just trying to help the mood:thumbup:
 
Mr Hoppe said:
That was nice of you, and I'm glad to see that it's gone. Unfortunately, Rick read it and understandably got a little ruffled, responded to it, and now here we are...

I think both of parties have now said some things that they would agree would have been better left unsaid. If that is the case, maybe we can just delete those posts, chalk it up to too much coffee or beverage of choice, and give Neil his thread back. This is of course up to you two (maybe three) I'm just trying to reduce the drama.
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You are right. I'll delete my posts. I apologize to Neil for killing the fun in his thread.
 
qbilder said:
You are right. I'll delete my posts. I apologize to Neil for killing the fun in his thread.
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So, to get it back on the fun track...

I came out of surgery last night and the nurse, WITHOUT WARNING, says "I'm just gonna yank this catheter RIGHT OUT!". Apparently, mine was barbed!!!! At least it felt that way.

OWIE!
 
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