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RunoutJJ

RunoutJJ

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I know this topic has been done to death but I really need to vent about this. Here's the situation:

Im an SL8 playing a SL5 in APA 9 ball. I win the lag, break and then start playing the rack. I get funny on the 3 ball and foul. The cueball comes to a rest and I pick up the ball to hand it to my opponent and he calls me on a ball in motion rule :rolleyes:

Aparently he said that the 5 ball was still in motion when I grabbed the cueball after it came to a halt. I look back at the 5 and I was in the middle of the table with no other balls around it. No chance of it hitting anything or going into a pocket. Yes granted this is a rule (Stupid one in fact) but was it really neccessary for him to call it instead of letting it go?? I argue with him about it for a solid 5 minutes and finally say "F" IT!!! Ill spot you another 8 points to your nit ass if thats how you're gonna be about it :angry:

He's talking crap to others while im playing and just being a royal ass!! He does this to everybody (word around the league) so its not just me but come on already.. ITS LEAGUE MAN!!! Like he's gonna win when he goes to Vegas?? Give me a break :lol:

Well I couldn't get past it (not very professional on my part) and I played like shit and end up losing by 18 points... Well really 10 points :rolleyes:

I was still heated because of how I felt about the opening rack. This is a guy I really like when Im not playing him but I really felt that he was being unsportmans like and needs to realize that. It wasnt the point of losing to him... I don't mind losing as long as you beat me on the square and with a level of honor and respect. Which there wasnt any.. I guess its because everytime I've played him I spank him good. One 8 ball tourney I played him twice and won 5-0 both sets. His attitude was the same there aswell... He's was there booing me and cheering for my opponent on the rail with his buddies when I was playing my next opponent. Really?? Grow the hell up!!!

Im a really nice guy but you can only take so much before you blow up. Well after this league match with the unsportsman like behavior his buddies start to get at me when I was going off on him for the shit he just pulled. Normally I let it go and move on but this was the straw that broke my back.

This get more heated and his buddies started to get really agressive saying lets go to the parking lot and yadda yadda yadda.. One of them goes after my chef from work that came along to hang out. Eventually management stepped in and calmed everybody down... Lucky my chef was calm because even though he's a bigger or heavy set guy he was a sergant in the army and his dad was a coloneil.. Definitely somebody you dont want to dance with..

Funny but I read about this topic a lot on here and think this doenst or wont happen to me. Yes he was right when calling me out on breaking a very stupid rule.. Yes I was wrong to not let it go and play my game win or lose. It just goes back to everything that has happened in the past with this guy that got the best of me. In the future I'll remind myself to stay calm collected and professional but as for league play.... Never again. Im offically retiring :boring2:

If he's reading this then Im sorry for my behavior. Your a great guy off the table and I really like ya but you need to work on being a good sport and not a nit.....

Rant over.......
 
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Sounds like you let your anger get the best of you in that one. My game can slip when I get upset, but if I'm playing the person that upset me then I'll try to put the screws to them. Should've made him bust his butt for those 8 points. I know a couple of people that do similar things and it's made me not want them around at all, playing or not. My surroundings getting to me makes a bigger difference than my opponent getting to me.

I was playing some jackwad as an 8 to his 9 at the beginning of the year(finally held as a 9 shortly after that). I had to use a bar cue as my Z2 ferrule was busted. He was telling me he could repair it and how he only plays for no less than $100 and if I wanted to wager on the match. Then he goes on to ask me how many points I made off slop after a couple of racks(I think I got 2 Z-banks). He raked another rack after giving up BIH with half a rack on the table. He was also whining about my runs about 5 feet away while I was shooting("this is a bunch of bull.. blah blah blah"). Best part was that he finally got some rolls at the end, only to dog the following shots. Told him afterwards that he was an a$%$^ the entire match and therefor I wasn't about to shake his hand - he looked confused. After that, I tore him up in 8 and he didn't say a damn thing. I heard after that match that he's that way with everybody. Felt nice to give him a beat down playing off the wall. As for the other, my only losses this year came from a 5 and a few below. It isn't just APA, it's jerks in general.. there are jerks that play well, too.
 
JJ he actually got over on you, the rule is referencing the cue ball in motion only. If the 5 ball was rolling you should have told him to suck balls. Where the heck was your division rep during all this?

The number one rule when some say's it's a rule is show it to me in the book.

Black Cat :cool:
 
Aparently they did consult the rule book and my captian sided with this call or rule infraction in question. I really didnt bother looking into it I was more burned up about the fact he sunk so low to get an advantage over me :nono:
 
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I'm going to double check myself, for 9 ball I may be in correct. For 8 ball it's definately cue ball only. I don't know why it would be any difference being that we're playing cue ball foul only. But, I'll check and chime back in.

Black Cat :cool:
 
I'm curious, and it's not really clear in your original post, but exactly what kind of advantage was your opponent sinking so low to gain? You were about to hand the cue ball to him, so what difference does it make what he was claiming? Ball-in-hand is the stiffest penalty assessed in 9-Ball, and he already had that. Why did you get so upset?
 
APA Operator said:
I'm curious, and it's not really clear in your original post, but exactly what kind of advantage was your opponent sinking so low to gain? You were about to hand the cue ball to him, so what difference does it make what he was claiming? Ball-in-hand is the stiffest penalty assessed in 9-Ball, and he already had that. Why did you get so upset?
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Why did I get so upset?? Did you not see my original post?? He claimed that since there were still balls in motion (after the cue ball came to rest) that it was a foul to pick up the cue ballwhile other object balls where in motion!!! Even if they those object balls where on their dying roll... Since I did this he was suppsoe to be giving the remaining points on the table with him breaking?? Yeah... That was his claim and he got that which in my mind is taking advantage of OUR ignorance and his gain which on the whole is cheating!! Should he deserve to win this match?? I dont think so!!

Since your part of the APA is there any way of fixing this?? Is this bullshit call an infraction to the rules and I should be penalized 8 points for the remaining balls left on the table??

Futher more can I dispute this match and ask for a rematch considering how close the scoring was because beleive me.... I would love another shot at this guy if that could be the case.

To me some people use LOOSE ruling to their advantage but if I can replay this match then I want to do it!!! Again its not about winning its about respect and I hate to say it but the APA league has a bunch of jerks that pull this type of shit all the time. League players lack RESPECT to people that they deem to be out gunned by and its pathetic and unsportsman like... Sorry if i come across as Bit+ching about petty things but what is the league suppose to teach again?? Fairness and sportsmanship am I right?? Last time I checked you try to establish that... Not some two bit shark taking advantage of people to win his matches!! Really is a black eye to the league on the whole tbh... Sorry to be a richard but it is what it is. Disrepect and cheating at its highest degree!!!

So that being said... What is the proper way to handle this situation Mr. APA (No disrepect its your avatar :) )
 
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Btw this match was played at Baileys in Arlington Virgina... APA Operater... If you want details on this please PM because If there is any chance of a rematch I want to be redeemed for being cheated out of a fair match :thumbup2:
 
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This kind of thing with nitpicking rules has happened to me several times in my APA league. I even had one match where I was down on a critical shot in a critical game in the set and a guy on the adjacent table backed into my stick just as I was stroking my cue. My stick hit the cue ball which then rolled a foot or so. All hell broke lose on my team and on my opponents. Neither side could agree what to do, though my opponent and I agreed to simply replace the cue ball and let me proceed to shoot over. His team captain nixed that agreement and called for ball in hand to his player. My team furiously said no to that idea. Both sides sought a rule interpretation. Turned out there was no written rule on the situation in the APA book. After further argument, both team captain's agreed that we rerack the game and start again. I was furious, but that was that. I then proceeded to lose the game and the set.

In another 8-ball game, I potted the 8-ball and the cue ball was obviously not going to scratch. I watched the cue ball roll after the hit to make sure it wasn't going to scratch and just as it neared to a stop in the middle of the end rail, I reached out and picked it up in preparation for putting it near the head spot for my break on the next rack. His team captain immediately called a foul because I touched the cue ball before it came to a complete stop. And it was an immediate lose of game because the foul occurred on the 8-ball. Sigh.

Both these incidents definitely infuriated me. But rules are rules, and I couldn't just ignore them simply because I didn't think they were fair. I darn sure now don't touch whitey while it's still rolling and I darn sure make sure my shooting area is clear as best I can before I get down to stroke the cue ball.

Really, all you can do is try and keep your emotions in check and roll with the punches.
 
league sucks anyways - just my opinion, not anyone else's

lol....reminds me of a time i was playing for about 3K in cues and cases with a guy. he was down 5-1 in a race to 9-9ball, i had hooked him with 4 balls left on one half of the table, he tried to swing the cueball around four rails for a kick and missed everything by a mile, the cueball was SLOWLY rolling toward the empty half of the pool table when i picked it up and called foul. he then says to me foul, i reply yeah foul, he goes-no you jjust fouled, the cueball didn't stop completely. I LOST MY FREAKIN MIND ON HIM!!!!!
the conversation went to me telling him what a lowlife he was to try and pull that bullshit, when he said "screw this, you fouled, those are the rules, i'm not playin." he then cracked his cue, that's when things got real fun when I said, "OK I fouled you get ball in hand, but you just cracked your cue, so you forfeited the match..............." WWIII ensued:angry:

i can laugh about it now.:grin-square: that was over 10 years ago
 
thefonz said:
lol....reminds me of a time i was playing for about 3K in cues and cases with a guy. he was down 5-1 in a race to 9-9ball, i had hooked him with 4 balls left on one half of the table, he tried to swing the cueball around four rails for a kick and missed everything by a mile, the cueball was SLOWLY rolling toward the empty half of the pool table when i picked it up and called foul. he then says to me foul, i reply yeah foul, he goes-no you jjust fouled, the cueball didn't stop completely. I LOST MY FREAKIN MIND ON HIM!!!!!
the conversation went to me telling him what a lowlife he was to try and pull that bullshit, when he said "screw this, you fouled, those are the rules, i'm not playin." he then cracked his cue, that's when things got real fun when I said, "OK I fouled you get ball in hand, but you just cracked your cue, so you forfeited the match..............." WWIII ensued:angry:

i can laugh about it now.:grin-square: that was over 10 years ago
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Most of the time in your situtation I would laugh and give BIH to whom ever im playing because I would know it doesnt matter :lol:

It sounds conceeded but lets be real about it... If anybody pulls this kinda crap on you you know you got them sewen up tighter than a bulls ass.. Its only how much you want to beat them by :lol::lol::lol:

This dude can play me for as much as he wants too... Its what you call a lock!! ;)
 
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RunoutJJ said:
Why did I get so upset?? Did you not see my original post?? He claimed that since there were still balls in motion (after the cue ball came to rest) that it was a foul to pick up the cue ballwhile other object balls where in motion!!! Even if they those object balls where on their dying roll...
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I think he was asking what the "extra" benefit the player you were playing was getting for calling it a foul when it was ALREADY a foul and the guy was still just getting his ball in hand he had anyhow?

He had no advantage from calling the balls in motion foul that he did not already have. You still just hand the ball to him, he gets his ball in hand either way. If you gave him more then that then you got played for not knowing the rules clearly or how to deal with the situation correctly, if the cueball was not in the path of a ball that was going to hit it the guy gets his ball in hand and thats it, period.
 
Celtic said:
I think he was asking what the "extra" benefit the player you were playing was getting for calling it a foul when it was ALREADY a foul and the guy was still just getting his ball in hand he had anyhow?

He had no advantage from calling the balls in motion foul that he did not already have. You still just hand the ball to him, he gets his ball in hand either way. If you gave him more then that then you got played for not knowing the rules clearly or how to deal with the situation correctly, if the cueball was not in the path of a ball that was going to hit it the guy gets his ball in hand and thats it, period.
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In my previous posts I stated that my captain said that he was award all the points left on the table after this situation. Hell if i know i play in open events and play in the APA as a way of practice and to get away from my busy life with the wife and kids. Do I go into deep details about these type of things? Hell no do you think I care on the whole if I lose a APA League match? PIFFFFFTTT!!!!!

I rather lose 9-0 against a top regional player or top pro than to go through this!! Yeah I guess I got hosed on the rules here but tbh Im not that into the league so I just do as im told. Sad as it is but I think you;re missing the main point of this thread.
 
The whining never ends

Why is it always someone else's fault when we screw up? How hard is it to not grab balls on the table? Your turn is over and you have no responsibility beyond leaving the table. Do you have turret's wrist?

As nitty as this guy is for his asinine enforcement of trivial rules, the guy who knows the rules yet continually and deliberately refuses to follow them for reasons beyond comprehension are just as big a part of the problem. I play with a good friend who continually refuses to call his combo's and banks when we play just because he knows I know what he's doing. I always tell him he's creating a bad habit that will bite him in the ass later against someone else. That time was now for you it seems.

Why would you believe anyone playing league pool would disregard the rules for the sake of.........what? To be stylish? To speed the game up by a few seconds? As a cultural norm? Would you like to play a game with no rules? Would that be fun?

Man up and own your behavior for god sakes.
 
RunoutJJ said:
Why did I get so upset?? Did you not see my original post?? He claimed that since there were still balls in motion (after the cue ball came to rest) that it was a foul to pick up the cue ballwhile other object balls where in motion!!! Even if they those object balls where on their dying roll...

Since your part of the APA is there any way of fixing this?? Is this bullshit call an infraction to the rules and I should be penalized 8 points for the remaining balls left on the table??

Futher more can I dispute this match and ask for a rematch considering how close the scoring was because beleive me.... I would love another shot at this guy if that could be the case.

To me some people use LOOSE ruling to their advantage but if I can replay this match then I want to do it!!! Again its not about winning its about respect and I hate to say it but the APA league has a bunch of jerks that pull this type of shit all the time. League players lack RESPECT to people that they deem to be out gunned by and its pathetic and unsportsman like... Sorry if i come across as Bit+ching about petty things but what is the league suppose to teach again?? Fairness and sportsmanship am I right?? Last time I checked you try to establish that... Not some two bit rednex shark taking advantage people to win his matches!! Really is a black eye to the league on the whole tbh... Sorry to be a richard but it is what it is. Disrepect and cheating at its highest degree!!!

So that being said... What is the proper way to handle this situation Mr. APA (No disrepect its your avatar :) )
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Yeah, I read your original post. You didn't say in it that the penalty for the stupid rule (your words) was the remaining points on the table. I agree, that is a stupid rule. But it's a stupid NON-EXISTENT rule. There is no loss-of-game penalty in 9-Ball, and nowhere in the team manual is there mention of an opponent receiving credit for the remaining balls on the table.

I did notice that your operator has put some loss-of-game penalties in his local bylaws, but they all refer to altering the path of balls in motion, which, according to your original post, you did not do. You picked up a stationary cue ball while another ball was in motion.

So even though you were penalized by a rule that doesn't exist, your captain agreed to the penalty so there's probably nothing you can do about it now. The proper thing to do would have been to contact a league official (or division rep, as someone else mentioned) prior to continuing the match.

The best way to keep this (and all the extracurricular stuff) from happening is to know the rules. If you're above that, the rest is unfortunate, but not unexpected, and certainly not isolated to APA leagues. All leagues have some jerks who don't know the rules.
 
metmot said:
Why is it always someone else's fault when we screw up? How hard is it to not grab balls on the table? Your turn is over and you have no responsibility beyond leaving the table. Do you have turret's wrist?

As nitty as this guy is for his asinine enforcement of trivial rules, the guy who knows the rules yet continually and deliberately refuses to follow them for reasons beyond comprehension are just as big a part of the problem. I play with a good friend who continually refuses to call his combo's and banks when we play just because he knows I know what he's doing. I always tell him he's creating a bad habit that will bite him in the ass later against someone else. That time was now for you it seems.

Why would you believe anyone playing league pool would disregard the rules for the sake of.........what? To be stylish? To speed the game up by a few seconds? As a cultural norm? Would you like to play a game with no rules? Would that be fun?

Man up and own your behavior for god sakes.
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I guess you missed the APA Operators post on here about how my opponent was wrong right??
 
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Sounds like more of a personal problem as opposed to an APA problem. The rules are no secret and it was your opponent you had the problem with...not the APA...
 
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Yeah, I read your original post. You didn't say in it that the penalty for the stupid rule (your words) was the remaining points on the table. I agree, that is a stupid rule. But it's a stupid NON-EXISTENT rule. There is no loss-of-game penalty in 9-Ball, and nowhere in the team manual is there mention of an opponent receiving credit for the remaining balls on the table.

I did notice that your operator has put some loss-of-game penalties in his local bylaws, but they all refer to altering the path of balls in motion, which, according to your original post, you did not do. You picked up a stationary cue ball while another ball was in motion.

So even though you were penalized by a rule that doesn't exist, your captain agreed to the penalty so there's probably nothing you can do about it now. The proper thing to do would have been to contact a league official (or division rep, as someone else mentioned) prior to continuing the match.

The best way to keep this (and all the extracurricular stuff) from happening is to know the rules. If you're above that, the rest is unfortunate, but not unexpected, and certainly not isolated to APA leagues. All leagues have some jerks who don't know the rules.
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So what you are telling me that there were witnesses to this situation of unfair play in your league and thats ok?? There is no rematch or do over for cheating on peoples ignorance of the rules?? If thats the case thats pretty sad... Im sure Jeanette Lee wouldnt cheat now would she??

Yes granted that there are jerks everywhere but come on now... Fair is fair right?? You know why I would never play in a National APA event?? Because Im a honest guy that plays his heart out and IS his rank.. Not some SL3 that plays like a strong 7, 8 or even 9 when the money is floating around..

Too bad that you dont take action against players that pull this kinda crap.. It truly is a sad state of affairs.

No worries.. Next time I see him get into to it with somebody I'll have him give you a call so you can tell him he's being a F*cking Arse!! That sound good to you?? :thumbup:

I also heard a rumor that if you buy enough patches (wow really :lol:) you get a secret hotline to call in the middle of your match to help you.. I didnt want to reveil this to the public but the number is......










































































1-800-dial-a shot... $2.50 per call and $25 for each addtional minute :thumbup2:
 
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abie10 said:
Sounds like more of a personal problem as opposed to an APA problem. The rules are no secret and it was your opponent you had the problem with...not the APA...
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Nah I have a problem with both now. At first it was this guy but the APA has proving once again that they could give a rat if you get cheated. As long as they get there cash then their happy :rolleyes:
 
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