I agree with Darren

to quote Darren:

One last thing I want to mention. I can't believe how negative the Americans have been towards Charlie Williams being appointed as the Captain of the USA Mosconi Cup Team. It's amazing how these guys on the forums make me laugh, as they really don't know Charlie, he really is a good guy and I know he will do a great job for team USA. Win or lose I think they have got the best man for the job.. I am sure that the team are pretty happy with his being the captain. So the rest of the country should get behind both Charlie and the team!!!


I areee with This 100%, sure Charlie might have pissed off people in the past, so what we all do. forget and forgive and move on is the way forwards. Thats a real problem with pool-everyone lives in the past. He made a few bad business moves , what ever. Today he is a great guy and a good friend. I dont pick sides, I dont live in the past. CW is cool with me and we should be behind him.

The quote I found doesn't quite read the same. One for instance: He does mention controversy and that harsh things have been written about CW; but, there is no mention of people on forums making him laugh. Note that he does not know why people are against CW. Perhaps if he did, his answer would have been different ... perhaps not.

Is there another quote out there that differs from this one?:

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Well, who do you think he was referring to then?
It pays to talk nice of the person who will have you in his back pocket sooner or later.
Hes just making sure his bread is buttered on the right side.
 
I do not believe anybody who's been around pool for a while is going to float off into the empyrean, and why should they? There is no Revelations Chapter 21 in pool.
 
This has nothing to do with $$$$, you guys need to get over that too. I left here for a month and come back to this shit, F that I'm out of here. c ya... I got better things to do, I didnt miss it here. Now I just dont want to be here. People in pool are living in the past and have issues in general. I got labeled a rich guy so does that mean i'm rich for ever? what if I went broke? Are you people here too stupid to realize I might not be rich anymore? well that aint gonna happen LOL. but Its clear to me that pool players are living in the past and cant move fowards and thats what I call "Stuck on stupid" and that will keep ya broke. And perhaps thats a link...HMMMM

In order for you to have things you never had before, you must be willing to do things you never done before. If you cant you will remain in your shitty life forever. My life was in the shitter I didnt like it and got up and walked out of it. Looking here now comming back would be walking back into the shitter. Think about it, see you at the gym-looking towards the future, not grinding about the past.

A persons outlook will determine their future. What are you doing to make your future better?? Then dont ***** a bout the past or count my $$. Only nits count other peoples $$$, players in life only count their own-cause counting others $$ is a waste of time. Course if ya dont value your time then its cool. And brokes dont value their time.

Fatboy, I'd love to see you go five posts without mentioning how wealthy you are. Nobody cares about your money. Believe that.
 
I'm like most people. We dream of the good life. Sometimes we dream about winning the big lottery. By the time we reach a certain age, we accept our lot in life. Some try hard and get knocked down. For others, it seems like they have the Midas Touch.

Most people have limits on what they will do. Some don't.
Some people can sleep well at night. Others can't.
I can walk down a dark alley at night without carrying a gun in my belt. And not because I am wearing a
Chuck Norris Tee shirt.
I am not a rich man in terms of wealth, but far richer in other ways.
People like me for who I am, not for what I own.
I do nice things for others because I can and because I want to.
I don't own nor covet Lambos or Balabushkas, but I do sleep very well
when I put my head down for the day.
My biggest scam in life is working hard and proving to the people that I work for
that I am worth the pay check every two weeks.

You cannot measure true "wealth" in terms of possessions. Great post.
 
Nut huggers

U guys need to realize fathead or fatboy is stuck on himself just like CW. Read all of his past post it's I. I. I. Or. Me. Me me. Always I did this or I'm the greatest. He and CW are stuck on themselves. Sorry guys I know many like Eric but he's a jackarse just like CW. Oh yeah who cares.
 
I think that there are others better suited for role as captain, perhaps a voting poll like in the past would have been better. I just think Charlie has too many conflicts such as playing for other countries, imagine Earl playing for Team France or something. It is what it is and we just have to deal with it, it is not that big of a deal really, I know we make it like its USA vs Europe but its more of an exhibition and pride thing really. GO USA BTW! :thumbup:
 
which is it?

is the Mosconi Cup coach a honorary appointment to recognize a career pool player or is the coach supposed to be an individual that is current & competitive as well as an active coach to numerous world class players?

based on the posts I guess it is the former in the eyes of the posters

doesn't much matter

not exactly a death bed memory... "my life would have been without regret if only nick Varner coached the Mosconi Cip in 2011"
 
The choice of CW as captain of Team USA has diminished the overall status of the Mosconi Cup imo...
 
I personally think this is getting out of hand. It seems that the pros are having more trouble letting things go in this instance. Not us. We have a right to our opinions and feelings. We are stuck with the roster this year and obviously the fans feelings don't matter.... Let's just hope next year these companies make better choices. I will be supporting team Europe 100%.

This is not the mosconi cup, it's the dragon promotions cup. And I will bet that their name will be plastered everywhere during this event (banners, commercials, ect ect...)
 
to quote Darren:

One last thing I want to mention. I can't believe how negative the Americans have been towards Charlie Williams being appointed as the Captain of the USA Mosconi Cup Team. It's amazing how these guys on the forums make me laugh, as they really don't know Charlie, he really is a good guy and I know he will do a great job for team USA. Win or lose I think they have got the best man for the job.. I am sure that the team are pretty happy with his being the captain. So the rest of the country should get behind both Charlie and the team!!!


I areee with This 100%, sure Charlie might have pissed off people in the past, so what we all do. forget and forgive and move on is the way forwards. Thats a real problem with pool-everyone lives in the past. He made a few bad business moves , what ever. Today he is a great guy and a good friends. I Qdont pick sides, I dont live in the past. CW is cool with me and we should be behind him.

Darren is clueless on this occasion. He is actually relatively new on the mainstream pro pool scene, having emerged from the obscurity of English bar table 8-ball to participate in the IPT events in 2005. Countless people who post here know Charlie longer and better than Darren does, and yet he dares refer to the posters of AZB as if they don't know anything about Charlie but he does. What a pile of nonsense. Maybe he just doesn't know who posts here, and that there are hundreds of posters in these AZB parts far more familiar with Charlie and his track record with respect to American pool than him. I know with 100 percent certainty that I am one of them!

in addition, I have read far more posts on this forum in which the poster has taken the view that, although Charlie is not a very sensible choice as captain, they will support him and Team USA than posts in which his selection has enraged a poster to the point of disinterest.

As usual, golf gets it and pool does not. To be a Ryder Cup or President's Cup captain, you have to be a retired or nearly retired grand old man of the game who is widely acclaimed and respected. Such appointments add to the dignity of such matches.

Charlie is not unqualified to coach Team USA but his appointment remains shocking to many, and if Appleton doesn't get that, he's lost at sea.

On a personal level, I know and like Charlie. I have and will continue to financially support his events from time to time. ..... Unfortunately, his appointment as captain is ridiculous and reminds us of the extent to which the pro pool players of today are willing to completely overlook what many of the game's supporters want. If that kind of ambivalence doesn't bother Darren in the least, I truly feel sorry for him, for he has fallen into the trap of apathy for those who, ultimately, make pro pool possible.

Over the glorious green felt, Darren seemingly never dogs it, but he sure dogged it here. This kind of blanket disrespect for those who actually care about and support pro pool is typical of these times, but hardly reasonable. Let's hope that Darren and other members of the pro pool community come to their senses and stop disenfranchising those that support the game. Otherwise, woe is us and woe is the future of our sport.
 
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Two years ago they had the voting for last the US player. You could vote for somebody as many times as you wanted...even if you were from Europe. Take note that the Europe team got picked by the standings. This year we have a a coach who is the most hated in the pool world while Europe has a real coach. The powers that be have managed to put another great event in the $hithouse. Johnnyt
 
One thing people do not understand about AZ Billiards is we are the hardcore fans, the ones who support pool, go to events, we do matter and our opinions count too. I still support the Mosconi Cup and think its a great event, it just seems that its being catered to Europe just a little bit more IMO with it not being televised here, wouldn't someone like PBS jump on it atleast if the price was right?
 
Those folks over at Matchroom Sports must be laughing their a$$es off over this. Never thought much about the Mosconi Cup before. Sort of ranked right up there with the Challenge of Champions thing at The Mohegan Sun. Made for TV only. Has no bearing on the pool world. Have met and played against Charlie several times. Seems like a nice guy. This selection is for commercial value only. We don't get Earl or the best coach or players. They get lots of controversy! Probably will sell lots of seats and computer/TV time. Matchroom wins again.

Lyn
 
The quote I found doesn't quite read the same. One for instance: He does mention controversy and that harsh things have been written about CW; but, there is no mention of people on forums making him laugh. Note that he does not know why people are against CW. Perhaps if he did, his answer would have been different ... perhaps not.

Is there another quote out there that differs from this one?:

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On the front page. Just look below "chris melling"

http://www.azbilliards.com/2000storya.php?storynum=9514
 
Darren is clueless on this occasion. He is actually relatively new on the pool scene, having emerged during the IPT events on 2005. Countless people who post here know Charlie longer and better than Darren does, and yet he dares refer to the posters of AZB as if they don't know anything about Charlie but he does. What a pile of nonsense. Maybe he just doesn't know who posts here, and that there are hundreds of posters in these AZB parts far more familiar with Charlie and his track record with respect to American pool than him. I know with 100 percent certainty that I am one of them!

in addition, I have read far more posts on this forum in which the poster has taken the view that, although Charlie is not a very sensible choice as captain, they will support him and Team USA than posts in which his selection has enraged a poster to the point of disinterest.

As usual, golf gets it and pool does not. To be a Ryder Cup or President's Cup captain, you have to be a retired or nearly retired grand old man of the game who is widely acclaimed and respected. Such appointments add to the dignity of such matches.

Charlie is not unqualified to coach Team USa, but his appointment remains shocking to many, and if Appleton doesn't get that, he's lost at sea.

On a personal level, I know and like Charlie. I have and will continue to financially support his events from time to time. ..... Unfortunately, his appointment as captain is ridiculous and reminds us of the extent to which the pro pool players of today are willing to completely overlook what the game's supporters want. If that kind of ambivalence doesn't bother Darren in the least, I truly feel sorry for him, for he has fallen into the trap of apathy for those who make pro pool possible.

Over the glorious green felt, Darren seemingly never dogs it, but he sure dogged it here. This kind of blanket disrespect for those who actually care about and support pro pool is typical of these times, but hardly reasonable. Let's hope that Darren and other members of the pro pool community come to their senses and stop disenfranchising those that support the game. Otherwise, woe is us and woe is the future of our sport.

Stu:

What a great post! I concur 100%, and I think you hit the nail on the head about the "celebrity = authority" complex that the public in general has. I love it when a movie celebrity, like a Susan Sarandon, "think" because they've achieved a level of success at such unrelated professions as e.g. acting, that they are then somehow "qualified" to take the podium and "be an authority" on, oh, say, politics, or international trade, or world financials, etc. It makes me laugh my head off. The sad thing is, the lemming public actually listen, because, ohmygod-ohmygod-ohmygod, "she's Susan Sarandon!!"

"He's Darren Appleton!" So? What does Darren know about coaching a team, and the qualifications that go into truly being a good coach? Darren plays a jam-up, world-class pool game, for sure -- noone doubts that. Darren's certainly an authority on the fundamentals of good play, winning one-against-one strategy, and perhaps -- by extension -- what he thinks a well-run tournament should look like. But he's jumped off a cliff if he thinks his knowledge "automatically extends" onto the realm of a good coach for a winning team in front of a stadium of spectators. Especially if he thinks that the coach selectee's past can be conveniently ignored, in favor of the cronyism that we all know is the true reason. Darren is still sponsored by Predator and Dragon, yes? If so, his "opinion" is automatically a wash. It doesn't count, by virtue of bias and cronyism.

A better example would be if Johan Ruijsink (Team Europe's captain) had said what Darren said. At least there's a foundation and context of knowledge there with Johan. But even then, the issues that Stu raised above still apply -- you can't ignore that CW is a ridiculous choice in the grand scheme of team coach qualifications and propriety.

-Sean
 
This has nothing to do with $$$$, you guys need to get over that too. I left here for a month and come back to this shit, F that I'm out of here. c ya... I got better things to do, I didnt miss it here. Now I just dont want to be here. People in pool are living in the past and have issues in general. I got labeled a rich guy so does that mean i'm rich for ever? what if I went broke? Are you people here too stupid to realize I might not be rich anymore? well that aint gonna happen LOL. but Its clear to me that pool players are living in the past and cant move fowards and thats what I call "Stuck on stupid" and that will keep ya broke. And perhaps thats a link...HMMMM

In order for you to have things you never had before, you must be willing to do things you never done before. If you cant you will remain in your shitty life forever. My life was in the shitter I didnt like it and got up and walked out of it. Looking here now comming back would be walking back into the shitter. Think about it, see you at the gym-looking towards the future, not grinding about the past.

A persons outlook will determine their future. What are you doing to make your future better?? Then dont ***** a bout the past or count my $$. Only nits count other peoples $$$, players in life only count their own-cause counting others $$ is a waste of time. Course if ya dont value your time then its cool. And brokes dont value their time.

LOL maybe next time you come back to this sh***er with us peasants you can bring a new big bright ball and come as Fatboy3. Either way the question is if you didn't have all your money to sponsor DCC tourneys and fancy houses to invite these pros to do you think they would give a rat's a** if they even knew your phone number? Maybe or maybe not, I doubt we will ever know. :shrug:
 
This has nothing to do with $$$$, you guys need to get over that too. I left here for a month and come back to this shit, F that I'm out of here. c ya... I got better things to do, I didnt miss it here. Now I just dont want to be here. People in pool are living in the past and have issues in general. I got labeled a rich guy so does that mean i'm rich for ever? what if I went broke? Are you people here too stupid to realize I might not be rich anymore? well that aint gonna happen LOL. but Its clear to me that pool players are living in the past and cant move fowards and thats what I call "Stuck on stupid" and that will keep ya broke. And perhaps thats a link...HMMMM

In order for you to have things you never had before, you must be willing to do things you never done before. If you cant you will remain in your shitty life forever. My life was in the shitter I didnt like it and got up and walked out of it. Looking here now comming back would be walking back into the shitter. Think about it, see you at the gym-looking towards the future, not grinding about the past.

A persons outlook will determine their future. What are you doing to make your future better?? Then dont ***** a bout the past or count my $$. Only nits count other peoples $$$, players in life only count their own-cause counting others $$ is a waste of time. Course if ya dont value your time then its cool. And brokes dont value their time.

Well, at least you screwed up enough at the DCC last year to get your name off of the event formerly known as the "Fatboy Challenge".

Who works for who now?
 
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