Did Earl call safe?

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I watched the meltdown earlier this evening when Shane won but just now watched the unbelievable part of the match when Earl won 6 racks at warp speed to go up 64-63.

There was a huge game where Earl had a cut on the one and the commentators thought Earl called the one and ended up safe after the miss. Did Earl call the one or not?

I thought this game was huge. I saw him earlier tell Shane that he had called a ball and Shane appreciatively had him shoot instead.

Btw the format was if you called a ball and missed and left your opponent hooked your opponent could make you shoot again.
 
Sounds like the format was different from previous matches, maybe they will start doing the old school push out rule.....:thumbup:

Here is something Keith McCready wrote on the 2 push-out factor. This was in a thread that someone posted a while back, cant remember who. I found it interesting and saved it. If I remember right it was for Inside Pool.

Keith McCready, InsidePOOL

The pool industry has weathered some tough rolls over the years. It has accomplished many successes, in many respects, upon entering the international arena as well as acquiring lucrative sponsors, and these endeavors are made possible by the personal contributions of hard-working folks who have a vision and want to take pool to a higher level. I have always wondered, though, how the two-shot/push-out rule from the early '70s changed to the one-foul/ball-in-hand rule used in today's competitions. My guess at that time, it was because the people from the East Coast couldn't beat the people from the West Coast, so they had to change the rule.

For those who may not know what the two-shot/push-out rule is, it goes like this. At any time during the game, you can push the cue ball to anywhere on the table that you think you are able to make the shot and your opponent cannot. Your opponent then decides whether or not he wants to shoot this shot. Whoever takes the shot must make a legal hit on the object ball without scratching. A legal hit means you must hit the object ball with enough speed to allow the object ball to hit the rail or, if the cue ball hits the rail first and then makes contact with the object ball, the object ball must hit the rail. If no legal hit is executed, then the other player gets ball in hand.

Let me tell you a cute story. There was a high-paying tournament in Memphis, Tennessee, and all of the best "gunfighters" and stake-horses were in attendance. I was about 21 years old, a little green in some ways, but I was virtually unknown in these parts. By the end of the tournament, I already had my target, a local fellow by the name of St. Louis Louie Roberts. Needless to say, he was one of the top players in the world at that time. After some barking back and forth, the railbirds settled on their perches, and it didn't take long for the game to begin. We decided to play a 7-ahead set, meaning one player had to win seven games ahead of the other. Now, Louie was rated as one of the toughest 9-ball players in the world and I was real young and on the road, but I had no fear as I raced to the table to flip the coin.

Louie could cut a ball on a dime, but what he didn't know was that I was practicing the cut shots myself. So he could not roll out for these really hard cut shots, and if he did, I would either make the shot or leave him safe, instead of letting him shoot, which left him benched more times than not. At the conclusion of each set, Louie would politely excuse himself from the table for a few minutes and played it off as if he was going to wash his hands, and after a period of time, I started breaking him down on the strength of the two-shot/push-out rule. We ended up playing four sets of the 7-ahead game, and I won all four.

The McCready-and-Roberts show came to an end, and I couldn't wait to break down my cue stick and leave, but then four guys rushed the table and surrounded Louie. It was then that I realized that he was not washing his hands at the end of each set. When he would dismiss himself from the table, he was actually looking for a guy to lend him money to play another set by offering his cue stick as collateral, but after each set, he would borrow from another guy, then another guy, and then another guy. When it was all over, Louie owed four guys the same cue stick, and each one of them was now looking to Louie for their immediate payment -- the stick. Well, Louie only had the one cue stick, and I knew he was in trouble. So, before things got out of hand, I quickly pulled Louie off to the side and gave him some money back, so he could smooth it out with his lenders.

In the days of two-shot/push-out, it was harder to beat a good player like St. Louis Louie Roberts. The best player would be forced to out-shoot their opponent in order to win. There would be more offense with your defense. Now there is a lot more luck involved in the game of pool, which I can't stand. If the rules used back in the '70s were in force, I think my game could maybe shine all over again. The victory could, and would, not be won with lucky rolls, and it would force players use their pool-playing skills and God-given talent. The game would not rely on the luck factor as much, and we could transform the tournament trail back to where I think it should be: Two-shot/push-out, and let the best player win.

I know this is kind of off track from the OP but it might have some relevance in future matches.
 
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Wow. When Earl predicted he was going to scratch and then fouled with a miscue that missed the object ball that was the beginning of the end.

Such a shame that this match didn't come down to a tight finish.

Anyway, thanks TAR. This was worth every penny.
 
If the millions of casual pool players who play bar pool saw the pros on tv pushing out during the middle of the game the viewers would say it was chicken-shi* pool and change the channel quickly.

I hope the pool industry doesn't give up on getting more men's pool on tv in America.
 
Shane needs to keep playing Earl. He will end up with the strongest nerves and be the most shark-proof player in the world.
 
I've tried to pore through several threads, but I am unable to find the score. Do you know what the final score was? :confused:
 
...Here is something Keith McCready wrote....

You should have heard what Keith said about this match between Shane and Earl. I asked him to post his thoughts.

That article you shared in this thread is well written, IMHO! :grin-angelic:
 
75-67 Shane so I guess a lot of guys lost giving Earl too much weight.

A race to 75 instead of 100, I guess. Well, it appears to have been a close race if you look at the scores at the end of each day.

Thanks for the score! :)
 
There was a ton of lead changes. Earl was down 58-63 and Was complaining about Shane's slow racking.

Shane scratched that break and Earl ran out in about 40 seconds then literally RAN to the rack and racked as fast as he could. Broke and ran two racks in less than a minute each and went on to take the lead 64-63.

That alone was worth the price of admission. The match was great but if Earl could have kept it together down the stretch it would have been Epic.

Congrats Shane! You are the man!
 
By the way the camera work, the commentating, the music in the background was awesome. Crystal clear feed and not one single hiccup or lag for me. Go TAR!
 
There was a ton of lead changes. Earl was down 58-63 and Was complaining about Shane's slow racking.

Shane scratched that break and Earl ran out in about 40 seconds then literally RAN to the rack and racked as fast as he could. Broke and ran two racks in less than a minute each and went on to take the lead 64-63.

That alone was worth the price of admission. The match was great but if Earl could have kept it together down the stretch it would have been Epic.

Congrats Shane! You are the man!

Sadly, Earl does suffer from a medical condition. Make no mistake about it.

If he were to take the medication needed to treat his ailment, he would have zero hand-and-eye coordination, zero muscle control, and he wouldn't be able to play pool anywhere near as good as he does today.

It's a Catch-22 for Earl, and I feel bad for him. I know he's a good person, but it's like having a medical disease. If I have cancer and lose all my hair, will people be accepting of me as I am if I appear at a pool tournament with a bald head? Will they make fun of me? Will my appearance be offensive to others in attendance?

Well, Earl's medical problem affects more than his physical appearance. If he medicates, he might as well hang up his pool cue for good. :(
 
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I watched the meltdown earlier this evening when Shane won but just now watched the unbelievable part of the match when Earl won 6 racks at warp speed to go up 64-63.

There was a huge game where Earl had a cut on the one and the commentators thought Earl called the one and ended up safe after the miss. Did Earl call the one or not?

I thought this game was huge. I saw him earlier tell Shane that he had called a ball and Shane appreciatively had him shoot instead.

Btw the format was if you called a ball and missed and left your opponent hooked your opponent could make you shoot again.

I remember that shot, and yes Earl did call safe.

It's just that his safety looked like he was trying to pocket that ball.


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I watched the meltdown earlier this evening when Shane won but just now watched the unbelievable part of the match when Earl won 6 racks at warp speed to go up 64-63.

There was a huge game where Earl had a cut on the one and the commentators thought Earl called the one and ended up safe after the miss. Did Earl call the one or not?

I thought this game was huge. I saw him earlier tell Shane that he had called a ball and Shane appreciatively had him shoot instead.

Btw the format was if you called a ball and missed and left your opponent hooked your opponent could make you shoot again.

I believe you could make him shoot again no matter what if he missed.
 
Btw the format was if you called a ball and missed and left your opponent hooked your opponent could make you shoot again.

Actually, I think the format was that if you called a ball and missed your opponent could make you shoot again regardless of whether or not your opponent was hooked.

Edit: I see Nostroke just mentioned the same point above.
 
if your talking about the 2 ball of which he cut to the top left corner then it got hooked, on that ball, Earl did call safe, he wasn't playing the ball, he wasn't playing to put cueball on bottom of table, 2 ball on top, trying to hook behind the 8 ball
 
If the millions of casual pool players who play bar pool saw the pros on tv pushing out during the middle of the game the viewers would say it was chicken-shi* pool and change the channel quickly.

You may be right, but there are a lot of people who would play this way when it came to matchups such as on TAR. Pool on tv is modernized and short tournament races are not in the same category as when people matchup in longer races or ahead sets. What is good for tv is not always the best or preferred way to play by everyone.
 
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