What I think would finally grow pool. (BCAPL/Pro/8-ball connection)

I've been around the sport for two years total now. I don't have all the answere's and I won't pretend to. I think the problem with pool not growing is an intersting debate. On the subject i have heard several idea's and different veiw points. I think you take a look at the Euro's and Asian system. they do NOT seem to have any problem generating enthusiam or money for the sport.

I tend to think that the reason why pool doesn't take off in the states, is the same reasons why soccer is HUGE every where in the world, not so much in the states. Formula 1, huge every where else in the world, not really here. American mind set is different today than it was in pool's hay day. It's not popular, it's hard for amature's to watch, it's incredibly difficult to even be decent, let alone GOOD. It takes way to much time and money to get good at pool, and there is almost NO pay off. Even SVB probably doens't bank $1,000,000 w/ endorsments and every thing. Plus most people dont even pick it up untill they are 18+ years old, and in most cases after 21.

To American's pool is a BAR GAME. Else where it is a SPORT. Two completely different trains of thought. Becuase of this, almost no one gets to a level that is competitive with pros. Add to this that it seems almost every one in the pool comunity is only out for # 1, and you have a system that is designed to fail, and fail hard!

So, how do you break the cycle...

You have to change the mind sets of Americans in general. It is my belief that before you can address this, you have to first get there attention. I think there are several ways to do this. I think the best way to grab attention would be to have a celebrity pool tournament, for charity. That is something that you could get a national network to air, and on top of that it brings pool into the seen from a different point of veiw. Instead of being a bar rat, hustler's game. Now it's for a good cause, and interesting from several different veiws. Take a look at the celeb golf and poker tournaments. incredibly popular, and promotional. From here you can build a system like Celtic's or set up a boxing/MMA type format like TAR.

=== i would also add to this, it will take some one with a sizable income, and a passion to throw some of his money away to build the sport for the good of the sport. NOT for personal gain. (If that comes a by product great, but keep pool up front) the problem with the above statement highlights the other major detering factor, which is that most people I've met and observed in the pool comunity will screw over whomever the need to, to get ahead. that brings us back to the first part, and then the circle goes round, and round and round and round and round...


this is all just my little $.02, i could be completely wrong... for the first time...

regards,

Justin

Just a couple things. Pool is also a "bar game" just about everywhere in the world. In China there are thousands of outdoor pool rooms and pool tables around millions of stores where people gather to knock them around or even gamble a little. Same in the Philippines. Go to Taiwan and you will find plenty of pool being played in the non-sport setting.

In Germany pool is called a kneipensport or bar sport. You will find pool tables in all the places where people gamble on the machines.

Pool is not as popular or as easy to fund in Asia and Europe as people think it is. Despite the myths there are very very very few pool players in any country that are in danger of being recognized on the street due to their fame.

When Liu Sha Sha beat Karen Corr for the World Championships two years ago here in China it was being shown live on TV. But not in the biggest pool room in Xiamen with more than 60 tables. I mentioned it to the owner that maybe he ought to announce it to the room that a Chinese player just became the World Champion. No interest whatsoever in doing that.

Pool is always going to be thought of as something that everyone knows exists but no one really cares about. And the reason is very simple. It's not in front of people enough to make them care.

My ex-wife didn't know anything about pool players. But she knows all about these discussions. She got into watching poker even though she doesn't play and has zero interest in playing. She just caught a broadcast and they were profiling a player and it piqued her interest. After about a month she could name the best players and started following them through ESPN and the TRAVEL channel. She remarked to me once that the reason no one cares about pool is because no one KNOWS the pool players. She watched plenty of pool with me for as long as she could stand it and at least three times a show she would say which one is Johnny? Which one is Rodney????

Get pool on TV with some real production value and consistency and pool will gain a following and more people will want to play pool. That's the magic ticket, nothing else.

People in America follow what they are entertained by. If it's a movie that celebrates a specific type of wine then that wine gets a huge boost, if it's a movie about pool then pool gets a huge boost, etc.....

Other than that pool can be promoted MORE at the grassroots level. That's not being done - at ALL.

Have you ever seen any pool table manufacturer set up at a shopping mall with a professional player there and offer to give away a pool table to anyone who beats the pro?

No, you haven't. Why not? This would be SO SIMPLE and cost very little but is it done? No, it's not.

Do you see pros going to Boys and Girls clubs and YMCAs and Senior Citizen's homes to work with them? No you don't.

Do you see the leagues doing any of this? No, never.

Do you see leagues organizing leagues for big companies? No, you don't.

Over here one of my dealers started a league for Dell employees. He works at Dell and over the past couple years his league has done well but the real upside for him is that he has done well selling cues to the employees at Dell. This ONE dealer has sold more than 40 JB Cases for me in the past 12 months. All custom cases at an average of $600 per case. Do the math and extrapolate that with the same type of effort being put forth by others.
 
Just a couple things. Pool is also a "bar game" just about everywhere in the world. In China there are thousands of outdoor pool rooms and pool tables around millions of stores where people gather to knock them around or even gamble a little. Same in the Philippines. Go to Taiwan and you will find plenty of pool being played in the non-sport setting.

In Germany pool is called a kneipensport or bar sport. You will find pool tables in all the places where people gamble on the machines.

Pool is not as popular or as easy to fund in Asia and Europe as people think it is. Despite the myths there are very very very few pool players in any country that are in danger of being recognized on the street due to their fame.

When Liu Sha Sha beat Karen Corr for the World Championships two years ago here in China it was being shown live on TV. But not in the biggest pool room in Xiamen with more than 60 tables. I mentioned it to the owner that maybe he ought to announce it to the room that a Chinese player just became the World Champion. No interest whatsoever in doing that.

Pool is always going to be thought of as something that everyone knows exists but no one really cares about. And the reason is very simple. It's not in front of people enough to make them care.

My ex-wife didn't know anything about pool players. But she knows all about these discussions. She got into watching poker even though she doesn't play and has zero interest in playing. She just caught a broadcast and they were profiling a player and it piqued her interest. After about a month she could name the best players and started following them through ESPN and the TRAVEL channel. She remarked to me once that the reason no one cares about pool is because no one KNOWS the pool players. She watched plenty of pool with me for as long as she could stand it and at least three times a show she would say which one is Johnny? Which one is Rodney????

Get pool on TV with some real production value and consistency and pool will gain a following and more people will want to play pool. That's the magic ticket, nothing else.

People in America follow what they are entertained by. If it's a movie that celebrates a specific type of wine then that wine gets a huge boost, if it's a movie about pool then pool gets a huge boost, etc.....

Other than that pool can be promoted MORE at the grassroots level. That's not being done - at ALL.

Have you ever seen any pool table manufacturer set up at a shopping mall with a professional player there and offer to give away a pool table to anyone who beats the pro?

No, you haven't. Why not? This would be SO SIMPLE and cost very little but is it done? No, it's not.

Do you see pros going to Boys and Girls clubs and YMCAs and Senior Citizen's homes to work with them? No you don't.

Do you see the leagues doing any of this? No, never.

Do you see leagues organizing leagues for big companies? No, you don't.

Over here one of my dealers started a league for Dell employees. He works at Dell and over the past couple years his league has done well but the real upside for him is that he has done well selling cues to the employees at Dell. This ONE dealer has sold more than 40 JB Cases for me in the past 12 months. All custom cases at an average of $600 per case. Do the math and extrapolate that with the same type of effort being put forth by others.

Voice of reason, ringing loud and clear!

I really like alot of your points. so here is the 1-gazillion dollar question, why doesn't any one step up? Why dont any of the ABP members step up?


this is a good thread keep it going!
 
Why do you even open these threads, John? You just have to discourage other people to make yourself feel better?

It's not impossible to have a nationwide rating system. You wanna know the biggest problem? Half the people out there think they're God's gift to pool. Everybody has the "perfect" solution and is unwilling to work with the other "perfect" solutions. The other half says, "I've been here a long time and I know everything and nothing can save pool."

There's a kid somewhere who read your post and said, "Well maybe I'll start bowling instead of playing pool." Good job, John.


DREW -

I think you are being a little naive. I appreciate your passion but I don't think you understand the reality of working in the billiard industry. We all try - but there are huge obstacles, many of which are not logical but they are reality.

At times I think I am part of the problem - when really all I want to do is be part of the solution. Not everyone thinks they are the salvatin of pool. But many of us have tried working with the other poweerful entities and their goals are not compatible with growing the sport.

I agree with most of what John says. I also agree with most of what Celtic says. But neither of them have worked 60 hours a week for 7 years trying to put all the pieces together and making it work.

What the industry needs is more people working together to improve ALL pool. I am hoping it will happen but so far I have been proven wrong.

Mark Griffin, CEO
CSI - BCAPL - USAPL
 
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