Racist Cue Case
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Since it seems that they are marketing this case to over 3 billion people then it seems like plenty of thought has been put into this case.
They could have put the following on the case and had way less blow-back:
In fact, I think this is a GREAT case design.
Dave
Hardly. I can guarantee you that VERY LITTLE thought was put into this case or any of the cases Delta Sport is selling. The bulk of the thought was how can we copy John Barton's cases cheaply.
You and others are giving WAY WAY WAY too much credit here.
This is how it works.
There are a few people working in a little workshop. They have themes they want to do, a religious case, a USA case, a Pirate case, etc.... and the browse the internet, the CHINESE language internet, looking for images. They take the images the like and slap them on the cases.
Badly, as you can see.
These people have ZERO clue about Western culture and sensibilities. They also probably don't know anything about Hindu culture.
They know Chinese mythology. That's it. Everything else is foreign to them to the point of almost complete ignorance of all important topics and world history. And don't think that they will take the time to educate themselves on any of the themes they want to make cases about.
That costs money and Delta Sport won't pay for time to have someone learn about the symbols they use and thus be better able to plan the design in a way that conveys the message without the offense.
What you have here is clueless people building bad cases and selling them to equally clueless people who are trying to sell them to you.
I guarantee you that 100000x more thought has already been put into the discussion of this case than was put into the design of ALL the cases Delta Sport is selling.
I already agreed with you that it would get attention. I don't agree with you that it "belongs" to the Nazis.
I am SURE that there are people brave enough to wear a big t-shirt with a swastika on it for the express purpose of inviting conversation to explain the meaning of the symbol. Just like there are people who went on planes (or tried to) with T-shirts that said Bush Sucks.
Would you be one of the people in that mob wanting to kick my ass?
That's the real question to me.
RACIST LAWN????
Hopefully, I didn't convey that I thought Delta Sport were racists and trying to create a Nazi inspired case.
I wrote the following comment back in post #148:
"I think it's a very safe bet that the manufacturers had no bad intent when they made this case. But even still, they and their design will not be received well, by many."
As for them intending to build a Buddist theme inspired case, I think that's very possible though, also very possible, as JB pointed out, is they may simply be grabbing images willy-nilly off of the net in a much less thoughtful way.
Best,
Brian kc
Brian, it's exactly what is happening. The thought is build a Buddhist case, so they grab a few Buddhist images and put them on the case.
I know, I worked with these same people four years ago. I saw similar cases in progress and was asked to evaluate them. I gave them my opinions on the practice of grabbing clipart from the web to put on cases with out any real plan as to design and meaning.
What they have done here is even much worse than it was four years ago. Looks to me like they lost the one artist/tooler that they had.
Of course not. I'm just saying that if you polled 100 random adults in the U.S. and showed them a swastika and asked then what it meant, 95% or above would say, "Rascism, hatred or Nazis."
If you asked the same people if they would proudly wear it on a shirt or pool case (as an example), you're probably looking at 1%.
That's why the Nazi's own it--- it is what it is.
How in the hell is this this thing 13 pages long???
How is it still on 1st page???
Please let this thing die already.... Let's try putting our time and efforts towards something positive....
Maybe a resolutions thread???
Happy New Year folks....
How is it still on 1st page???
Please let this thing die already.... Let's try putting our time and efforts towards something positive....
Maybe a resolutions thread???
Happy New Year folks....
Happy New Year to you too.
But that's the beauty of the internet. If you don't like something, don't want to hear it, see it, read it - don't click the link. Simple as that.
What Jay said.
The case is not Racist in any way. The design on the case is Buddhist the hooked cross down to the flower design are commonly used In Buddhist designs.
I totally agree with you that most wouldn't know the history of the symbol. That's a failure in ourselves and the fact that we do not teach our children that the Nazis used an ancient religious symbol. Same as when Jay Leno goes out on the street to ask people simple history questions and shows the most clueless of the answers. (we don't know how many people Jay asked who got the questions right...cuz their answers aren't funny).
But shying away from it because the Nazis used it isn't the way forward.
We COULD use it for education but no, we are a country that now goes into Mark Twain's books and edits out the word nigger and replaces it with slave. We will sanitize ourselves with 'politically correct' language until we can't even remember the words and why they were "bad" in the first place. At that point the adage kicks in where it's said that those who can't remember history are doomed to repeat it.
As Einstein said about ideas, if I give you a dollar then I am a dollar poorer and you are a dollar richer, but if I give you an idea then I am not any poorer and you are an idea richer. The same thing applies to knowledge. If evil people use symbols and words and we then bury those symbols and words then we will forget their evil deeds as well as forget or never learn the original real meanings of those symbols and words.
Tonight's news...
Just an FYI:
On tonights 10 o'clock news on WPIX, New York, they had a story on a Brooklyn store selling earrings with the backwards swastikas causing outrage from some members of the community.
They explained that the store's position was that these were an old Buddist symbol and that nNew Yorkers didn't know the difference because they weren't careful..
PIX 11 has asked viewers to come on their website to share their thoughts on this.
Interesting timing for this news story following our case debate.
Here is the link to the story which includes a video worth watching:
http://www.wpix.com/news/wpix-swastika-earrings,0,4471498.story
Best,
Brian kc
Just an FYI:
On tonights 10 o'clock news on WPIX, New York, they had a story on a Brooklyn store selling earrings with the backwards swastikas causing outrage from some members of the community.
They explained that the store's position was that these were an old Buddist symbol and that nNew Yorkers didn't know the difference because they weren't careful..
PIX 11 has asked viewers to come on their website to share their thoughts on this.
Interesting timing for this news story following our case debate.
Here is the link to the story which includes a video worth watching:
http://www.wpix.com/news/wpix-swastika-earrings,0,4471498.story
Best,
Brian kc
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If you have a "backward" swastika in a solid, 3-D form (such as with earrings) and you walk around and look at it from the other side or it rotates 180 degrees (as earrings often do when worn), then you're looking at a "forward" swastika.
The same is true with a "through and through" image of a swastika (such as on a flag) -- viewed from one side it's "backward," viewed from the other side it's "forward."
Or, view a "backward" swastika in a mirror, and it appears "forward."
The same is true with a "through and through" image of a swastika (such as on a flag) -- viewed from one side it's "backward," viewed from the other side it's "forward."
Or, view a "backward" swastika in a mirror, and it appears "forward."
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