which shaft

I don't know how a LD shaft would making aiming easier on shots without english, but they do reduce/eliminate squirt, depending on length of shot and how hard you hit it, so it is likely they could make aiming easier on shots with english...so the story goes.

Even if true, that still does not make aiming easier.

At most, you aim closer to the "standard" target.

How, exactly, is that easier. Hint: it isn't.

What the LD'ers claim is pocketing the ball is more likely.

Dale
 
I love the OB Classic. Have played the OB1 for the last 5 years and just recently switched to the Classic for a firmer feel. Same LD on either. Can't go wrong with an OB
 
I know they will improve the play of the cue.

I still can't get past this.

One cannot know such a thing. One must try it an see.

Any other argument just does not cut it. The OP cannot know what he claims to know.



And for icing on the cake.....it would be like tits on a bull anyway. :D


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It's "tits on a boar" Doc, everybody knows a bull has udders ...jeez

So there you have it. Just revealed a great lesson in Animal Husbandry. If you go to crossbreeding, you better hope you pick up the best traits. If not, your shooting with a "half breed".

Nut
 
In my opinion, you simply don't have to cut the object ball as much. You don't have to adjust for swerve or skid (or whatever you like to call it) when utilizing english. That makes it easier to me. Did I say aiming "without" english? I meant aiming "with" english. Glad I made you happy, Dick, I mean Dale.

Matt


Very adult Mat_head.

I see you're still lost. Since you have no facts, you resort to the insults
of a 12 year-old.

Ask your mommy to explain to us why she thinks cutting a ball less is easier.

Dale
 
I still can't get past this.

One cannot know such a thing. One must try it an see.

Any other argument just does not cut it. The OP cannot know what he claims to know.



And for icing on the cake.....it would be like tits on a bull anyway. :D


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I was just having fun. I don't believe particle board and plywood are good building material for cues. I don't believe the hype of LD. I have tried several different shafts that my buddies have been suckered into buying. I will keep my money and just buy a better cue.
 
I was just having fun. I don't believe particle board and plywood are good building material for cues. I don't believe the hype of LD. I have tried several different shafts that my buddies have been suckered into buying. I will keep my money and just buy a better cue.



Ah....went right over my head.


I understand LD. I don't buy the hype either....but it's not all hype. It's the hype part that's a bit out of hand. Everybody is still searching for some magic......funny I thought that was going to go away but when I came back to pool I found it got worse.

Personally, I don't like laminated.....but LD is not laminated and laminated is not LD......necessarily.

I tried a laminated shaft....didn't like it.
 
Very adult Mat_head.

I see you're still lost. Since you have no facts, you resort to the insults
of a 12 year-old.

Ask your mommy to explain to us why she thinks cutting a ball less is easier.

Dale

I called to my mother, beyond the grave, and my mom said that cutting a ball was easier because of the lower deflection. Hope that helps.

Nanny, nanny
Boo Boo
Stick your head in...(well, you get it)
 
For myself (and I've been playing a long time, and would say I'm above average in ability and knowledge) they improve the following:

1. Aim (the low deflection simply makes it easier to aim w/ and w/o english). It's like cheating. Hard, thin cuts are much easier as well.
2. They make it easier to follow the ball and draw the cueball. You can have a weaker stroke and get more reaction. If you have a good stroke, well, it is ridiculous what you can do with this shaft.
3. I have smaller hands so I need a skinnier shaft just to feel good. To achieve that w/ a normal shaft takes tons of tapering and working the shaft, and a lot of times if you rush it, the shaft will warp before getting skinny enough. I can just go buy a Z2 and I'm set. If the shaft is not comfortable, you will play worse.

Those are my thoughts. Good question.

the z2 sucks! it buckles every time you have to muscle the ball even a little bit
 
You very well may play...well, but it's obvious you don't understand much
about english and aiming.

This is the hype they were talking about.

Aiming is aiming - how could they possibly make aiming easier?

The claim is you need to make less of an adjustment.

You still have to know how much of an adjustment.

Your contention that aiming without english is also easier,
is silly at best.

But, if you're happy, I'm happy.

Dale

i've played with shafts that i had to aim a half a ball off when using inside english! LD shafts minimize how much you have to adjust.
 
i've played with shafts that i had to aim a half a ball off when using inside english! LD shafts minimize how much you have to adjust.

Won't you still have to adjust to the throw ?
You would also lose BHE b/c throw would be more than squirt, don't you ?

As testament to Mr Szamboti's shafts, maybe?

Kim Davenport sure shot great with his 12MM GS shaft. He said he paid $270 for the cue and would not sell it for thousands.

Rodney Morris also shot great with a pingy GS shaft. Won US Open with it.
 
Won't you still have to adjust to the throw ?
You would also lose BHE b/c throw would be more than squirt, don't you ?

As testament to Mr Szamboti's shafts, maybe?

Kim Davenport sure shot great with his 12MM GS shaft. He said he paid $270 for the cue and would not sell it for thousands.

Rodney Morris also shot great with a pingy GS shaft. Won US Open with it.

i don't know what any of that stuff is and i don't want to. yeah youll still have to adjust but no where near as much

if kim davanport said that he was lying. like every other pool player everything's for sale.

mika won 2 us opens back to back with a mezz LD shaft. you going somewhere with mentioning that?
 
i've played with shafts that i had to aim a half a ball off when using inside english! LD shafts minimize how much you have to adjust.


Can this really be all that hard to understand?

Adjusting your aim less is not in any way easier than adjusting it "more".

You either know where to hit the OB or you don't.

If using a LD shaft enables you to hit the right spot on the OB, resulting
in the ball giong in the pocket, more often, then it is living up to the claim.

That does not make the process of actually "aiming" any easier.
It only makes it somewhat different.

Dale
 
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I called to my mother, beyond the grave, and my mom said that cutting a ball was easier because of the lower deflection. Hope that helps.

Nanny, nanny
Boo Boo
Stick your head in...(well, you get it)

So, the diference between shooting a shot and aiming a shot is a mystery to you.

Are you sure you are a good player? You also claimed to be above average
in knowledge. I'm having my doubts.

Dale(who should have known better)
 
I dont care how good your cue hits. Hit is overrated. If you're paying attention to how the cue feels when you'playing then you're doing it wrong. When i'm playing I focus on delivering the cue straight and then I stay down and admire my work. How the cue feels is an afterthought.
 
Can this really be all that hard to understand?

Adjusting your aim less is not in any way easier than adjusting it "more".

You either know where to hit the OB or you don't.

If using a LD shaft enables you to hit the right spot on the OB, resulting
in the ball giong in the pocket, more often, then it is living up to the claim.

That does not make the process of actually "aiming" any easier.
It only makes it somewhat different.

Dale


man everyone tries to get on that you're too slow to understand what i'm saying because you disagree with me attitude on here. that's just not true. adjusting a little is way easier to do that adjusting a lot
 
Even if true, that still does not make aiming easier.

At most, you aim closer to the "standard" target.

How, exactly, is that easier. Hint: it isn't.

What the LD'ers claim is pocketing the ball is more likely.

Dale

The amount of squirt you get when hiiting the cue ball varies by the amount of English you use, how hard you hit the ball, and the distance away from the object ball...it is not easy to measure and it can also vary from table to table. A shaft that eliminates this variable does indeed make aiming easier because you don't have to adjust your aim for something that varies from shot to shot!
It's sort of like shooting a gun on a windy day. You have to adjust your aim depending on how far your target is away from you. No wind, no need to adjust for windage! Anytime you have to "adjust" your aim for a variable, it makes the task of aiming more difficult!
 
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man everyone tries to get on that you're too slow to understand what i'm saying because you disagree with me attitude on here. that's just not true. adjusting a little is way easier to do that adjusting a lot

I watch these arguments go on all the time and generally stay out of it.


I'll take this comment for an example though.

How easy is adjusting? Depends on the player. So for some, adjusting a lot will be more difficult, while for others it will be much less a factor.

Attitudes? Yup....they are abundant.
 
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