one pckt gambling scenario...

alphadog

alphadog

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Two guys playing 1hole on a ball return table.
Player a makes a ball and accidently puts it in player b's basket.
Player b makes balls and puts them in his basket.
Player a counts player b's balls and declares you stole a ball.
Player b denies stealing a ball.Is he expected to "voluntarily" return the ball in? ?
 
alphadog said:
Two guys playing 1hole on a ball return table.
Player a makes a ball and accidently puts it in player b's basket.
Player b makes balls and puts them in his basket.
Player a counts player b's balls and declares you stole a ball.
Player b denies stealing a ball.Is he expected to "voluntarily" return the ball in? ?
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This is a gentleman's game. Don't play with people who aren't gentleman. At least that's my thoughts.

Steven
 
alphadog said:
Two guys playing 1hole on a ball return table.
Player a makes a ball and accidently puts it in player b's basket.
Player b makes balls and puts them in his basket.
Player a counts player b's balls and declares you stole a ball.
Player b denies stealing a ball.Is he expected to "voluntarily" return the ball in? ?
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Not enough information. Does B know that A made an honest mistake? If he does, and refuses to allow the error to be corrected, then he's a d*ckhead. If the two players have a sincere disagreement about what happened, then A is simply SOL; it was his error.
 
brechbt said:
Not enough information. Does B know that A made an honest mistake? If he does, and refuses to allow the error to be corrected, then he's a d*ckhead. If the two players have a sincere disagreement about what happened, then A is simply SOL; it was his error.
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Ball returns playing 1 pocket really suck
 
depends on the local rules and such. where i grew up getting away with not spotting balls was considered part of the game. the concentration needed to play 1 hole even included keeping up with what was going on at the table. it took me a little while to acclimate myself to the rules observed elsewhere. one hole on a coin operated table is pretty extreme having played on one myself a few times. just make sure what the rules are before u play, sportsmanship has little to do with it, my humble ...
 
alphadog said:
Two guys playing 1hole on a ball return table.
Player a makes a ball and accidently puts it in player b's basket.
Player b makes balls and puts them in his basket.
Player a counts player b's balls and declares you stole a ball.
Player b denies stealing a ball.Is he expected to "voluntarily" return the ball in? ?
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Your not allowed to steal balls but the guy that put it in the wrong pocket
will have to prove when he made it.If he can't he's got the problem and caused the problem.If he can prove it then he gets it.Otherwise it would have to go to the shooter. John B.
 
JBKY said:
Your not allowed to steal balls but the guy that put it in the wrong pocket
will have to prove when he made it.If he can't he's got the problem and caused the problem.If he can prove it then he gets it.Otherwise it would have to go to the shooter. John B.
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Seems simple enough...but if player b notices it first...is he obligated?
 
It really is not a "One Pocket" question. Both players have to realize that the ball was "credited" wrong. The problem will ensue "If" both players think that they did nothing wrong. As the "house guy" (and chief bouncer) in the pool room, we now have 2 guys playing that BOTH KNOW THEY HAVE BEEN CHEATED. They are both willing to "throw down" because "God" is on their side. "Dangerous ground" to be on. Hopefully the "Game" has attracted enough interest (spectators) that a neutral party can resolve the dispute ("get a decision"). If that is not the case....the "house rule" is....the balls remain where they are. I can not walk over to a table and TAKE BALLS away from a player. Hopefully the next time (game if there is one), BOTH players will pay attention to where the balls are "posted". "I" would also become or get them a "game keeper" (referee) to diffuse the situation so the session can continue. If none of that is acceptable....I would END their game, exit both players from the room. To let it continue in the room...will only result in "bad things" happening.
 
alphadog said:
Seems simple enough...but if player b notices it first...is he obligated?
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In a perfect world, Player B does the right thing and gives the ball back.

In the real world, maybe he knows he has an extra ball, maybe he doesn't -- after all, every player at one time or another has mis-counted. The only hope for Player A is if he can accurately describe, in enough detail, the shot that made the ball that is his. Then, it's a matter of the whether or not Player B's memory is that good :-)

Lou Figueroa
 
Red Shoes said:
It really is not a "One Pocket" question. Both players have to realize that the ball was "credited" wrong. The problem will ensue "If" both players think that they did nothing wrong. As the "house guy" (and chief bouncer) in the pool room, we now have 2 guys playing that BOTH KNOW THEY HAVE BEEN CHEATED. They are both willing to "throw down" because "God" is on their side. "Dangerous ground" to be on. Hopefully the "Game" has attracted enough interest (spectators) that a neutral party can resolve the dispute ("get a decision"). If that is not the case....the "house rule" is....the balls remain where they are. I can not walk over to a table and TAKE BALLS away from a player. Hopefully the next time (game if there is one), BOTH players will pay attention to where the balls are "posted". "I" would also become or get them a "game keeper" (referee) to diffuse the situation so the session can continue. If none of that is acceptable....I would END their game, exit both players from the room. To let it continue in the room...will only result in "bad things" happening.
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problem is outside input is seldom appreciated.Thanks for your input,as
the house-man.
 
I understand that "outside input" is seldom appreciated. At my place it is actually "not allowed" (unless "I" ask for it). But that being said....play the chess game all the way out. Which one wins the debate??? The "bigger" or "younger" guy??? The louder guy??? You can not let THAT happen. Soooo, "IF" both players are aware that the "count" is not right. The "mistake" was made when player "a" credited the ball to player "b"....If that does not happen...."WE" are not talking about this. "Mistakes" happen, like 'sweeping" the balls before you are out (sleepers etc..), but if you have to "hit your hip" (pay-off) for doing something like that. YOU will quickly learn to "check" the count, post (credit) balls correctly etc..etc.. Now hopefully "we" as pool players want to win by ABILITY not cheating or stupidity which seems both players in your story are guilty of.
 
Red Shoes said:
It really is not a "One Pocket" question. Both players have to realize that the ball was "credited" wrong. The problem will ensue "If" both players think that they did nothing wrong. As the "house guy" (and chief bouncer) in the pool room, we now have 2 guys playing that BOTH KNOW THEY HAVE BEEN CHEATED. They are both willing to "throw down" because "God" is on their side. "Dangerous ground" to be on. Hopefully the "Game" has attracted enough interest (spectators) that a neutral party can resolve the dispute ("get a decision"). If that is not the case....the "house rule" is....the balls remain where they are. I can not walk over to a table and TAKE BALLS away from a player. Hopefully the next time (game if there is one), BOTH players will pay attention to where the balls are "posted". "I" would also become or get them a "game keeper" (referee) to diffuse the situation so the session can continue. If none of that is acceptable....I would END their game, exit both players from the room. To let it continue in the room...will only result in "bad things" happening.
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This scenario would not happen in one of my matches. If my opponent walks up to me during a game and says "hey I put one of my balls in your basket". I would give them the benefit of doubt. If I felt they were making some moves during our match, I would end the session (even if I had to pay off). But, from that point on their action would be dead to me. The worst punishment you can give an action player is to not give them action.

If I put one of my balls in my opponent's basket, that's my fault. I might mention it but my opponent is not required to allow me to have the ball back.

If there is a questionable hit, I don't call for a ref. I ask my opponent to watch the hit.

Again, its a gentlemen's game. Only play with gentlemen. Don't give jerks action.

I don't have any problem finding action. But, that's probably because of my nickname "go off".

Steven
 
If I put one of my balls in my opponent's basket, that's my fault. I might mention it but my opponent is not required to allow me to have the ball back.

Again, its a gentlemen's game. Only play with gentlemen. Don't give jerks action.

I don't have any problem finding action. But, that's probably because of my nickname "go off".

Steven[/QUOTE]

Curious, by your standards would not returning the misplaced ball be a move ,or unsportsman like? Not trying to argue,just curious.
 
Its the shooters responsibly to get their balls directly after their done shooting. I make sure to go directly to the ball return and grab mine, so there is never any confusion. I don't think about how many balls I've run while at the table... so if there is an extra ball in the return from the last inning, I may end up taking it and not even knowing. But more often than not, I'll check the ball count/ball return before I take my first shot and will place your ball in your tray for you if need be.
 
alphadog said:
If I put one of my balls in my opponent's basket, that's my fault. I might mention it but my opponent is not required to allow me to have the ball back.

Again, its a gentlemen's game. Only play with gentlemen. Don't give jerks action.

I don't have any problem finding action. But, that's probably because of my nickname "go off".

Steven
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Curious, by your standards would not returning the misplaced ball be a move ,or unsportsman like? Not trying to argue,just curious.[/QUOTE]

By itself, no. If that's the only thing that occurred during the match, I wouldn't make a big deal out of it. It would probably take multiple instances or this with some other activity (like trying to shark).

Its life and things happen. I don't sweet them. But, if think someone is trying to make a move or is just a jerk, I don't have to play with them. Life is too short to put up with crap.

I have a question for you now: Why would you want to play with someone who wants to ague over whether a ball should be in his basket or your basket.

Steven
 
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Gmanpoke said:
Curious, by your standards would not returning the misplaced ball be a move ,or unsportsman like? Not trying to argue,just curious.[/QUOTE

Its life and things happen. I don't sweet them. But, if think someone is trying to make a move or is just a jerk, I don't have to play with them. Life is too short to put up with crap.

I have a question for you now: Why would you want to play with someone who wants to ague over whether a ball should be in his basket or your basket.

Steven
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I really do not care to play with people who cheat,argue,shark. I was not involved in the scenario. I really did hope more people would respond to
this post as it is akin to Would you call a foul on yourself? And yes I would and do.
 
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