Hearing Aid vs Mp3 Player

[Tobby]

Ok im curious on how some of you see this .

Not jsut attacking SVB so please all the svb fanboys dont attack me lol.

Why is it that someone is allowed to wear hearing aids which can be turned down to tune out the crowd the BS and whatever else when playing on internet ( TV ) tables during matchs , but you cant wear a Mp3 Player so you dont have to hear the crowd or BS.

Now to me this isnt fair the hearing aid should have to be left on at a normal level thru the entire match if the other player is not allowed to use his or her hearing choice.

Like i said i have been thinking about this for about a month now .

 

[Mickey Qualls]

Ok im curious on how some of you see this .

Not jsut attacking SVB so please all the svb fanboys dont attack me lol.

Why is it that someone is allowed to wear hearing aids which can be turned down to tune out the crowd the BS and whatever else when playing on internet ( TV ) tables during matchs , but you cant wear a Mp3 Player so you dont have to hear the crowd or BS.

Now to me this isnt fair the hearing aid should have to be left on at a normal level thru the entire match if the other player is not allowed to use his or her hearing choice.

Like i said i have been thinking about this for about a month now .

Seems like an innocent enough question. The responses should be interesting.

Subscribing...

 

[ShootingArts]

I think it is a simple matter

Ok im curious on how some of you see this .

Not jsut attacking SVB so please all the svb fanboys dont attack me lol.

Why is it that someone is allowed to wear hearing aids which can be turned down to tune out the crowd the BS and whatever else when playing on internet ( TV ) tables during matchs , but you cant wear a Mp3 Player so you dont have to hear the crowd or BS.

Now to me this isnt fair the hearing aid should have to be left on at a normal level thru the entire match if the other player is not allowed to use his or her hearing choice.

Like i said i have been thinking about this for about a month now .

I think it is a pretty simple matter. You can restrict mp3 player use. Trying to restrict hearing aid use can land you square in the middle of legal action with no defense. Nobody but the hearing aid user knows what he can and can't hear and there is no way to mandate volume levels.

The people that make the rules don't want people unable to hear with mp3 players in their ears. The issue of hearing aids on or off is a totally different issue since there are legal protections concerning hearing aids.

Hu

 

[TorranceChris]

As a deaf person, I find the question a bit off-putting so I want to put an opinion out there early in this thread to that effect. If you had been asking why the Mp3 is not allowed, that would be an entirely different aspect that I can muse on. As phrased, the question is getting into a deaf person's business about his hearing level/capability. Do you propose to bring an audiologist to each of his tournament to determine what his "normal" hearing level is and then to adjust the hearing aid accordingly?

Honestly in my opinion, the question can be phrased slightly different with much better effects.

 

[Mitchxout]

A similar debate happened in golf when a semi-disabled PGA player lobbied for a cart because he couldn't walk the course. There was also a club footed NFL kicker with a special shoe that kicked a 63 yard record field goal. What about the midget baseball player that was used to draw walks?

Is it fair if a person uses his disability to his advantage? Maybe, sometimes....

 

[justadub]

To take it a step further, I'm quite sure that people running events don't want to have to determine whether each individual device is truly "only" an MP3 player, and not a device capable of receiving information from someone (i.e. a phone or two-way radio).

I bought some ear plugs to try, but I've been too self conscious to put them in and try, just yet. They are in my case, in the event that I'm too distracted by noise, enough so that I'm willing to have them sticking out of my ears.

 

[rburgoyne]

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If someone uses a hearing aid that would mean their hearing is impaired without it, correct? So that is most likely why they are allowed to keep them in, so they can hear. Turning it down or taking it out would have similar results, right?

 

[Maniac]

Since SVB cannot hear without his hearing aids, wouldn't him turning them down/off be paramount to him removing them? Why would we want someone to go through the hassle of removal when the same thing can be accomplished by turning them down/off? After all, he COULD remove them and there would'nt be a damn thing that anyone could say about it.

What do you want to do, disallow deaf persons from competing???

If you asked him, I'm sure he'd rather have hearing like the most of us do!!!

Maniac

 

[brandoncook26]

Ok im curious on how some of you see this .

Not jsut attacking SVB so please all the svb fanboys dont attack me lol.

Why is it that someone is allowed to wear hearing aids which can be turned down to tune out the crowd the BS and whatever else when playing on internet ( TV ) tables during matchs , but you cant wear a Mp3 Player so you dont have to hear the crowd or BS.

Now to me this isnt fair the hearing aid should have to be left on at a normal level thru the entire match if the other player is not allowed to use his or her hearing choice.

Like i said i have been thinking about this for about a month now .

This part actually kind of disturbs me.

I believe your thought process is a little backwards. You asked "Why is it that someone is allowed to wear hearing aids which can be turned down to tune out the crowd...". He is not wearing the hearing aids to turn down the crowd, he is wearing them to be able to hear. Turning them off is returning him to his unaided level of function.

OK, for the sake of argument, the rule is now you are not allowed to wear any ear device during a match. Guess what, he still has the advantage of not hearing the crowd.

 

[The Renfro]

So far I have noticed a few pro wearing flesh colored ear plugs... The ruling made t the Open was that you could have nothing in your ear that was obvious.... I would think if you could find some in the ear blue tooth ear buds that were flesh colored you might be able to get away with it....

I did see one or 2 players using MP3s at DCC maybe Greg leaves it up to the players as long as they are not on the TV table and their opponent doesn't object........

 

[randallt6]

Since SVB cannot hear without his hearing aids, wouldn't him turning them down/off be paramount to him removing them? Why would we want someone to go through the hassle of removal when the same thing can be accomplished by turning them down/off? After all, he COULD remove them and there would'nt be a damn thing that anyone could say about it.

What do you want to do, disallow deaf persons from competing???

If you asked him, I'm sure he'd rather have hearing like the most of us do!!!

Maniac

very good post.


this thread is kind of ridiculous, your comparing a persons disability to someone putting in an mp3 player. really?????

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

Why is it that someone is allowed to wear hearing aids which can be turned down to tune out the crowd the BS and whatever else when playing on internet ( TV ) tables during matchs ,

I wear a Half Shell Hearing Aid like this ----->>>>

in both Ears, and would TRADE NORMAL HEARING for these. Even if you Take the Battery Out the small vent hole at the bottom of the photo, allows NOISE TO GET IN YOUR EARS.

Unless you have worn hearing aids for more then 4 weeks, IMHO you are only guessing how they work. BTW they do not make hearing NORMAL AGAIN.

You want Noise Blocker, Cotton Balls work GREAT, and if you have certain EAR Condition you could get away with their USE, or Ear PLUGS.----->>>>>

 

[PoolSharkAllen]

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[elvicash]

To take it a step further, I'm quite sure that people running events don't want to have to determine whether each individual device is truly "only" an MP3 player, and not a device capable of receiving information from someone (i.e. a phone or two-way radio).

I bought some ear plugs to try, but I've been too self conscious to put them in and try, just yet. They are in my case, in the event that I'm too distracted by noise, enough so that I'm willing to have them sticking out of my ears.

I am sure most any and all deaf players would like to be able to hear normally but I think alot of hearing players feel that not hearing sounds while playing would help them to play better, so they would like silence when playing themselves. People can be sharked by sound.

Now on Ear plugs, they are not allowed some tourneys either. The people running tourneys with MP3 and ear plug rules claim they want to be able to get the attention of the players easily. If that is the case then should rule so the deaf person who can hear with the enhancement of hearing aids or whatever be expected to have that device turned up so they can easily get there attention as well. That would only seem fair.

I myself like to wear a MP3 / iPod and have had negative feedback from opponents in league as they seem to think I not socializing enough when play a 14.1 match. I was not there to be friends I was there to play pool as well as possible. Perhaps it is weakness on my part but I am so easily distracted in a dead quiet pool room when two guys start talking about something non pool related and there voices just seem to carry right into the middle of my head. I like to use an MP3 player and if pool is a game of honor then perhaps if I tell my opponent I am not listening to advice on my MP3 player then why should I not be allowed to use that so I can listen to something I want to hear.

I play pool because I enjoy it and I enjoy my music so let put them together.

 

[Bank2Win]

I did notice a very high level professional player playing on the streaming table at the USBTC this year playing a match with earbuds in his ears listening to audio content coming from a device on him, you could see the connections coming from the earbud and then underneath his shirt. I thought we were not allowed to wear any mp3 device during this event.

 

[Hits 'em Hard]

this thread is kind of ridiculous, your comparing a persons disability to someone putting in an mp3 player. really?????

Man this thread was never about someone's person disabilities. It's about the fact that people who use hearing aides can turn them down and essentially be in a ghost town and not hear the distractions. Now people who have good hearing want to be able to get into the same zone, where distractions aren't heard, and the only way we can accomplish it is with headphones/earbuds to mask/cover the sounds.

Basically what is being said is that people with hearing impairment are at an advantage over others.

 

[JoseV]

I am sure most any and all deaf players would like to be able to hear normally but I think alot of hearing players feel that not hearing sounds while playing would help them to play better, so they would like silence when playing themselves. People can be sharked by sound.

Now on Ear plugs, they are not allowed some tourneys either. The people running tourneys with MP3 and ear plug rules claim they want to be able to get the attention of the players easily. If that is the case then should rule so the deaf person who can hear with the enhancement of hearing aids or whatever be expected to have that device turned up so they can easily get there attention as well. That would only seem fair.

I myself like to wear a MP3 / iPod and have had negative feedback from opponents in league as they seem to think I not socializing enough when play a 14.1 match. I was not there to be friends I was there to play pool as well as possible. Perhaps it is weakness on my part but I am so easily distracted in a dead quiet pool room when two guys start talking about something non pool related and there voices just seem to carry right into the middle of my head. I like to use an MP3 player and if pool is a game of honor then perhaps if I tell my opponent I am not listening to advice on my MP3 player then why should I not be allowed to use that so I can listen to something I want to hear.

I play pool because I enjoy it and I enjoy my music so let put them together.

I agree with you when its time to play its time to play we can chit chat after the match. I get headaches from to many diffrent sounds coming into my head so headphones help me out medically.

 

[PoolSharkAllen]

Man this thread was never about someone's person disabilities. It's about the fact that people who use hearing aides can turn them down and essentially be in a ghost town and not hear the distractions. Now people who have good hearing want to be able to get into the same zone, where distractions aren't heard, and the only way we can accomplish it is with headphones/earbuds to mask/cover the sounds.

Basically what is being said is that people with hearing impairment are at an advantage over others.

If you think wearing a hearing aid is that big of a advantage, you could schedule a appointment with your audiologist and then spend $1000 to be custom fitted with your own hearing aid. Incidentally, you may have to pay this out of your own pocket as many health insurance companies won't pay for cosmetic or elective procedures.

 

[Hits 'em Hard]

If you think wearing a hearing aid is that big of a advantage, you could schedule a appointment with your audiologist and then spend $1000 to be custom fitted with your own hearing aid.

And you still missed the point. A deaf person can turn their hearing aide down to a level in which small sounds, the ones that distract you, will not be heard. But a normal hearing person has no option to do so, so we need something extra to do so. Why you want to overlook that fact, and still talk about their disability, which isn't the topic at all, it's just a support for the argument that people should be able to listen to their music while they're shooting.

If I can't wear headphones/earbuds during a tournament, then people with hearing aides shouldn't be able to turn the volume down. We all want a playing field in which everyone is equally matched, but preventing a non-hearing impaired person from doing the same thing a hearing impaired person can do is breaking the rules.

We just want to silence the background noise, but it seems we need a medical excuse in order to do so.

 

[randallt6]

Man this thread was never about someone's person disabilities. It's about the fact that people who use hearing aides can turn them down and essentially be in a ghost town and not hear the distractions. Now people who have good hearing want to be able to get into the same zone, where distractions aren't heard, and the only way we can accomplish it is with headphones/earbuds to mask/cover the sounds.

Basically what is being said is that people with hearing impairment are at an advantage over others.

did you get beat really bad by a deaf guy this weekend?