Did Kamui and Moori have a baby?
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Le Pro vs. Kamori tips
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Did Kamui and Moori have a baby?
I have a Wizzard on my McFadden cue and a Tiger Dynomite on my Lucasi and I am happy with both.
The bottom of a good Le Pro is usually smooth almost like glass...
Getting more than 10 out of a box of 50 is pretty lucky... I cherry pick thru boxes at the local supplier and usually come away with 6 or so per box.... I still have them repressed in a vice for 2days before installation.....
I was a huge fan of the original moori mediums but those were lost to the ages..... I am currently playing with the BK2 phenolic but a repressed Le Pro is currently my second choice.... I blew $40 on having a Hurano medium installed at DCC and it made it until the next day until I was ready to cut it off.....
To me a tip should not require break in and should retain playing characteristics for at least 3 months... To date none of the layered tips live up to this expectation and the non-layered tend to almost always require a break in period......
Getting more than 10 out of a box of 50 is pretty lucky... I cherry pick thru boxes at the local supplier and usually come away with 6 or so per box.... I still have them repressed in a vice for 2days before installation.....
I was a huge fan of the original moori mediums but those were lost to the ages..... I am currently playing with the BK2 phenolic but a repressed Le Pro is currently my second choice.... I blew $40 on having a Hurano medium installed at DCC and it made it until the next day until I was ready to cut it off.....
To me a tip should not require break in and should retain playing characteristics for at least 3 months... To date none of the layered tips live up to this expectation and the non-layered tend to almost always require a break in period......
much oblidged
Appreciate the imput. I will likely replace mine this Monday. I made a note of your suggestions. TY. :thumbup:
Appreciate the imput. I will likely replace mine this Monday. I made a note of your suggestions. TY. :thumbup:
If you see a lot of grain on the bottom, it's usually bad. The shiny, smooth ones are usually keepers. Doesn't always work but it's been the best indicator for me.
Think I may take some pics for reference. I'll post soon...
If you put them in a vice and crank on it,you will find out real quick if its good or bad!
My yield of good LePro's is about 15 per 50. When I get a new box, I cherry pick the good ones and throw the rest in a box. I look for the ones that have a smooth glue side. Even then, I sometimes have to cut one off due to it "fuzzing" up.
The funny thing is that the good LePro's are actually very nice tips. I don't understand why Tweeten has such crappy QC.
Update. Just received a new box of 14mm LePro's from my supplier. Out of 50 tips, 5 were "prime". The glue side was shiny with almost no grain showing. I reserve these for my best customers and charge a small premium. Of the rest, 9 were good. Small amount of grain showing but will probably shape up nicely. From experience, probably 2 or 3 of the "good" will turn out to be not so good and will have to be cut off and replaced.
This leaves a yield of usable tips of about 13-14 out of 50. Pretty much average in my experience.
I have a zip-loc bag of poor quality LePro's. Don't know why I keep them. It's too much of a risk to install and hope for the best since I may end up installing and removing several before I find one that's acceptable. I keep thinking I'll install on a bunch of house cues some day.
I assume the bad ones have the rough back.
What happens when you compress in a vise? Do they split or crumble?
Has anyone tried to make a milk dud out of the bad ones? I'm wondering if they might be saved by doing this.
It's a good question. I've always assumed they were beyond repair. They're just "mushy" inside and I can't imagine soaking or pressing will fix that. But I could be wrong. I bought the Picone Tip Presses for this very reason but I haven't tried it yet.
each one is custom made. they're interchanging spliced layers from a Kamui and Moori. super hybrid powahhhhh!!!
FWIW, the "bouncy" ones are the ones that I prefer. I hate a tip that plays "dead" and has no feel to it. I like when the feel of a tip is something like bouncing a basketball. If the ball doesn't have enough air, it feels "dead" and you really have to work to keep it bouncing. A properly aired basketball (which is more bouncy) is much easier to control.
I don't want a tip as "bouncy" as a Superball, but I also don't want one that hits like cardboard (where it absorbs the impact of the hit and doesn't "bounce" back and give some sort of recoil that transfers the energy back into the cueball).
I have used Le Pro and Karomi...both Brown and Black Karomi. Personally I do not like Le Pro. They are too hard to my liking and the tips are inconsistent. Karomi tips play well and are reasonably priced for a layered tip. I have had probelems with the layers ripping off during shaping. I install with a lathe and shape with an automatic tip shaper from Cue Man (Chris Hightower). You have to ensure the cutting tool is sharp to mitigate ripping apart the tip. Another method is to simply use a sharp razor blade. I just find the automatic tip shaper easier then I use any standard tip shaper, like a willard, for final nickel or dime shape. The karomi tips seem to fuzz up a bit when shaping. Overall my personal preference is Moori. They install well, shape easily and play extremely good. If you can tolerate the inevitable mushrooming then I would recommend Moori.
everyone complains about the mushrooming but really after you shave off the first mushroomed part it doesn't happen again. it's not really that big a deal
Wtf is a karomi or kamori? lol! I love a good le pro tip but yes they are a pain from the constant mushrooming i have no vice but i hit it a few good wacks with a hammer thats all i have lol! I find they really grab the cueball i hit way outside sometimes and as long as i keep the tip in good shape i rarely miscue.
Depends, which shaft weighed more? :thumbup:
Which Le Pros are the softer tips? The shinny back or the flat, grain back???
I know Le Pros have a wide range of hardness. I personally love the softer Le Pros. That is the tip that go on all of Pete Tascarellas cues unless specified by the costumer. I just bought a box, curious to tell which ones are soft.
If you don't have a hardness gage, is there another way to tell soft from hard?
I know Le Pros have a wide range of hardness. I personally love the softer Le Pros. That is the tip that go on all of Pete Tascarellas cues unless specified by the costumer. I just bought a box, curious to tell which ones are soft.
If you don't have a hardness gage, is there another way to tell soft from hard?
kamui vs le pro
about a year ago i tried a kamui tip. i am still playing with kamui tips. it is unlikely i will purchase anything alse in the future. "if it aint broke dont fix it". I have been playing since the early 1970's it simply out preforms any tip i have ever played with in every aspect imaginable.it satisfies every expectation i have for a high performance, durable , dependable playing tip. i play with a medium hard tip. it maintains its shape, doesnt mushroom & plays extremely well. it requires minimal maintanence. it allows me to play without any thought to my playing tip. allowing me to concentrate on the task at hand... "Playing the game" I would like to thank those of you who were kind enuff to share your knowledge with me regarding the new tech. available in the game i had been away from for so long. thank you.
play the game as if you actually mean to.
Billy Bones :thumbup:
about a year ago i tried a kamui tip. i am still playing with kamui tips. it is unlikely i will purchase anything alse in the future. "if it aint broke dont fix it". I have been playing since the early 1970's it simply out preforms any tip i have ever played with in every aspect imaginable.it satisfies every expectation i have for a high performance, durable , dependable playing tip. i play with a medium hard tip. it maintains its shape, doesnt mushroom & plays extremely well. it requires minimal maintanence. it allows me to play without any thought to my playing tip. allowing me to concentrate on the task at hand... "Playing the game" I would like to thank those of you who were kind enuff to share your knowledge with me regarding the new tech. available in the game i had been away from for so long. thank you.
play the game as if you actually mean to.
Billy Bones :thumbup:
also bout the last time i was on this forum.... :grin-square: :grin-square: :grin-square: