Nowhere did I say John was running a sweatshop. (RIF) Sweatshops put out good products to, Nike, Apple to name a few. LIke I said, keep the tunnel vision glasses on and don't look anywhere but straight ahead.
JV
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Help me choose a cue case
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Nowhere did I say John was running a sweatshop. (RIF) Sweatshops put out good products to, Nike, Apple to name a few. LIke I said, keep the tunnel vision glasses on and don't look anywhere but straight ahead.
JV
I guess I don't get the 'tunnel vision' remark. I do not understand why JB Cases, made overseas, is different from Talisman Cases, made overseas. As to tunnel vision, the same could be said for those who limit themselves to only Made in the USA products. We are living in, afterall, a global economy.
If the 'tunnel vision' is in direct reference to JB...I have owned quite a few USA made cases...and most were very nice cases...Thomas and Murnak comes immediately to mind. However, I happen to really like the protection and looks of my JB case...and I never worry about the cues while they're stowed inside...ever. The stitching is impeccable, the fittings are high quality brass, the leather is thick, oil-tanned, and luxurious...with no funky smells often associated with some overseas made leather products. If it weren't for the fact that he is forthcoming on the fact the cases are made in China, you would never be able to tell. I'm pretty critical when it comes to workmanship...and I wouldn't own one or speak to their quality if I did not believe it myself. The fact is that no one in the US makes a case with the protection inside that JB makes...IMHO.
Just curious... why is everyone so concerned with protection from case to case? I mean, I get that people don't want their cues damaged but there are a slew of case designs out there "loveable hug", tube cases, pro-lite style, etc.. that are all different and all do the job just fine. What are you people doing with your cues and cases that you need the utmost in protection at all times?!?!
Why??? Its amazing for photo opportunities and HOURS of enjoyment!!!
Why??? Its amazing for photo opportunities and HOURS of enjoyment!!!
for your price range I'd say Swift is your man http://www.casesbyswift.com/home
SWIFT MAKES NICE CASES IN THE TRADITIONAL STYLE. HE WOULD BE A SOLID CHOICE.
I DO HOWEVER REALLY LOVE MY ONQ CASE BY GARTH.
http://www.onqcases.com/
I DO HOWEVER REALLY LOVE MY ONQ CASE BY GARTH.
http://www.onqcases.com/
Whitten! Love their cushy shoulder strap pads too :thumbup:
I would find a old whitten tube case in the 3x4 configuration. Based on the original post.
But, that choice is not ideal for long tournaments like super billiards expo or derby with long periods of wear.
Kd
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But, that choice is not ideal for long tournaments like super billiards expo or derby with long periods of wear.
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Well since I live in Virginia and you live in Maryland we are neighbors so here is my opinion.....All made in America by Americans 1 case at a time.These case makers may use some materials from other countries but all of them have been in business for decades and are well made.They may even have a few in stock or no longer than about a month or so even with any options you may choose.....
God Bless the U.S.A.
Jack Justis
Dennis Swift
Whitten
God Bless the U.S.A.
Jack Justis
Dennis Swift
Whitten
Exactly
With 1 addition, and Ron Thomas makes an awesome case
^^^^^ Exactly What he said^^^^^
With 1 addition, and Ron Thomas makes an awesome case
I wouldn't say JB and I are having an "issue". John seems to be the one with the issue and I just call him out every now and then. Sorry if I don't think it's ok for him to bully other members and call people names in the open forum and get away with it.
The problem with JB's cases isn't that they aren't well built cases. I have seen many of them and I like them for the most part. The problem is I don't agree with John regarding how good the protection is. So the cues don't fall out when the case is turned upside down, Big F'ing deal. How often does someone tip their case upside down? I have been playing pool for over 20 years and I have yet to see it happen.
Additionally, It's not the fact that John runs a "sweatshop" because I don't really believe he does. But you have to ask yourself, why did John move his business to China? The answer is simple. He makes more money in China because the labor is cheaper. I don't have a problem with that but I do find it humorous that he charges as much if not more then almost every other casemaker but his costs are much lower. He's laughing all the way to the bank and yet a lot of folks keep buying his cases. I don't think a lot of people think about that.
He runs around and acts like he is doing everyone a big favor but in reality if he really was he wouldn't charge so much considering his costs are so much lower.
In hand
Look nice in pics, I was not impressed and immediately returned one several years ago...I am a huge fan of Its George Cases/Brunswick by George....I think you can find them at a very reasonable price and they offer tremendous protection...also saw some of JBs cases at VF and they are pretty sweet stuff too!
Look nice in pics, I was not impressed and immediately returned one several years ago...I am a huge fan of Its George Cases/Brunswick by George....I think you can find them at a very reasonable price and they offer tremendous protection...also saw some of JBs cases at VF and they are pretty sweet stuff too!
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Are these being made again?
Are It's George cases being produced again? A 2x4 black lizard It's George carried my cues for over 20 years. Tough to beat if you can find a nice one.
I REALLY like Jim Murnak's cases. Bought a 2x4 for my son a while back, and I can't imagine a better all-around case, particularly since it meets the OP's qualifications. However, I understand Jim is no longer making cases, so you might have to work at finding one.
Are It's George cases being produced again? A 2x4 black lizard It's George carried my cues for over 20 years. Tough to beat if you can find a nice one.
I REALLY like Jim Murnak's cases. Bought a 2x4 for my son a while back, and I can't imagine a better all-around case, particularly since it meets the OP's qualifications. However, I understand Jim is no longer making cases, so you might have to work at finding one.
And a case made in the USA.
But FYI, you can get tubes from Barton if you prefer. A friend of mine bought one just over a year ago:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=207827
I am of the same opinion, I would probably opt for tubes. I'm just not sold on the plush interior in the respect that with the snug soft interior lateral pressure might possibly be exerted on the pieces inside.
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I agree with a few of these points.I do agree that jb cases look nice and have great looking designs.I also agree with a few other points as I think supporting americans that do there cue and case making in America is what I like to support.Also it does seem that these chinese made production casess are getting American made prices,however I must say profit it not a nasty word and jb is allowed to make a living like everyone else and as long as people are paying him the prices he wants why would he lower his prices.
The only points I see in jb cases is that Mr.Bartons attitude and bullying deteers alot of people from wanting to buy his upper end cases because with such a bad attitude how could a consumers investment ever hold or increase in value.
Yes I am very parcel to Justis cases and most champions including myself really like Justis cases but what do I know as John says im just a shortstop playing pool so my opinion here might not be the best one in these threads,however I hope it helps the op.
Also I asked Jack Justis yesterday how many cases he has built and although he didnt give me an answer except to say over 20 years and NOT ONE TIME has anyone ever said there cues have ever fell out of any of his cases or ever been damaged in any way shape or form from storing,traveling,dropping or for whatever reason shaking any Justis cases.Efren Reyes in case you dont know his name travels all over the world with a justis case and when Efren checks his cues and Justis case in to bagged luggage he just checks in the case with no protection at all just the bare case with the lid snaps holding it from opening up and his cues have never fell out or been damaged EVER.
Uh oh! I should run away and be scrared now! Lol
The last thing I'm afraid of is backlash from JB.
I agree that Jack makes some of the best cases. I think there are a lot of others that are making great cases as well. Cyrex, King, and Melton come to mind. I owned a King last year and it was beautiful.
If John chimes in here I would be curious as to when was the lst time HE actually made a case?
Not that I really care but it really isn't anyone's business what John's profit margin is.
If he makes it for less and can sell it for more than good for him. In my mind that means he's a good provider for his family .
Your comment is kinda like the Nits that find out what you paid for a cue so they offer you a $25 profit that is hundreds less than your asking price and then get mad when you don't take it. When in reality the cue is worth what the market will bear .
It's even better when they come back and offer you 50 over and you can say sorry I just sold it for full boat!
I must say I'm a Justis and a King case guy but both are out of the OP'S price point. I've been trying to order a nice butterfly from John but we seem to be having some e-mail trouble .
If I were the op I'd buy a Whitten .
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I'm sure you would agree, seeing one, and owning one are two separate issues. I respect that the OP wants to buy something locally, however there is nothing wrong in supporting a global market. If the OP chooses to change this request, he will open himself to a large pool of well made, crafted products (ie. Elfroy?).
I have owned a Justis, JB, Swift, Bentley, Vinctiore, Giuseppe, and a bunch of others. All of the cases provided adequate protection for my needs. The first three, I enjoyed owning a lot more, due to the hand crafted nature and quality of the work.
However, I would respectfully disagree though about JB cases not being well crafted. Is this based on experience of using one?
I was nervous about going to a butterfly case (I've always used tubes), but found that the cues are well protected in that foamy material John uses. Also, there is not a stitch out of place. Not saying you haven't seen an issue with a JB case, but clarification would be appreciated.
I do agree with the earlier posts. To meet the criteria of the OP, a Swift or Whitten would seem to be the best decision.