Dress Code for Gold Crown Billiards, Erie, PA
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i can tell you in no way did the dress code have ANY negative impact on gold crown , a friend of mine and myself drove 7 hrs to play in his event , he treated everyone there very well and everyone got along great no argueing no fighting nothing he treated everyone there with respect and he got treated with respect in turn , its no diff than some night clubs they have dress codes whats the problem , dress codes do make a diff i can tell you that from the rooms i play in and have been into if more rooms were run more like gold crown i feel they would be better off , this response is not directed at anyone one here so please to take it that way im just speaking from the time i had this weekend at his room ,
dom_poppa
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I understand but my comment was from a business point of view.
I would prefer people to be well dressed when playing as well.
From what I've heard, Paul's business is doing just fine with the dress code. Some people just can't stand it that someone can make something like this work and still be successful.
Posted by Paul Schofield
The Trayvon Martin case is a perfect example. Attire is a form of communication. The thug culture wears hoodies. If you don't want to be treated like a nazi, don't wear a swastika. If you don't want to be treated like a hoodlum, don't wear a hoodie. Gold Crown Billiards in Erie Pa does not permit hoods.
Paul,
You stepped way beyond the boundaries of your beloved pool room on this one. It's like you are self imposing your beliefs and prejudices on the entire world through the requirements of your dress code. And when you make posts like this one your true colors bleed out. You could just say hoodies are not allowed in your pool room and leave it at that. But you have to color it with your moral beliefs and judge-mental commentary.
I am not a hoodlum but I've been wearing hoodies my whole life. One of my most favorite hoodies was the one I earned on the Conemaugh Township High School Wrestling team. Still have it in a box in the attic somewhere. We wore hoodies under plastic bags to try to make weight for upcoming matches. I also wear an orange hoodie when I go dear hunting. Hoodie's help to keep me warm and alive.
The Trayvon Martin case is a perfect example. Attire is a form of communication. The thug culture wears hoodies. If you don't want to be treated like a nazi, don't wear a swastika. If you don't want to be treated like a hoodlum, don't wear a hoodie. Gold Crown Billiards in Erie Pa does not permit hoods.
Paul,
You stepped way beyond the boundaries of your beloved pool room on this one. It's like you are self imposing your beliefs and prejudices on the entire world through the requirements of your dress code. And when you make posts like this one your true colors bleed out. You could just say hoodies are not allowed in your pool room and leave it at that. But you have to color it with your moral beliefs and judge-mental commentary.
I am not a hoodlum but I've been wearing hoodies my whole life. One of my most favorite hoodies was the one I earned on the Conemaugh Township High School Wrestling team. Still have it in a box in the attic somewhere. We wore hoodies under plastic bags to try to make weight for upcoming matches. I also wear an orange hoodie when I go dear hunting. Hoodie's help to keep me warm and alive.
i understand what you are saying for sure the dress code when you read it sounds way worse than it really is i was there for two days for his last tourney and the place was packed , and that wasnt just the people in the tourney, fri night i went to hit balls around and it was wall to wall people playing pool everyone seemed to really enjoy the room, good food great prices the table time for two of us was 3.80 an hr each , just sharing what my exp. was while i was there,
Do you wear a dark hoodie at night, in 80 degree+ weather? Or in the daytime, in an urban setting, with the hood up, for no apparent reason other than to hide your appearance? Again, in high temperature? Do you wear a baggy winter coat in 70 degree+ weather? Could be that Paul's dress code doesn't say what you're implying about his personal beliefs, it's just your interpretation of them. He has as much right to state his beliefs here as anyone else.
My 2cents worth:
I don't have any issues with a dress code. It's a private business and the owner should be free to institute a dress code. It's really no different than a fancy restaurant requiring formal attire, a work place requiring business casual attire or a "no shoes no service" sign hanging outside a beach side bar.
So long as the same rules apply to every patron, it's perfectly reasonable.
It's ultimately the patron's choice to decide if it's the kind of place they'd like to spend their money in.
I don't have any issues with a dress code. It's a private business and the owner should be free to institute a dress code. It's really no different than a fancy restaurant requiring formal attire, a work place requiring business casual attire or a "no shoes no service" sign hanging outside a beach side bar.
So long as the same rules apply to every patron, it's perfectly reasonable.
It's ultimately the patron's choice to decide if it's the kind of place they'd like to spend their money in.
No hoodies and swastikas allowed. Perfectly fine. His business, his dress code. But just leave it at that. No need to hear Paul's moral opinions on the meaning of it all.
This is called "dishing the race card". The staff have strict instructions to deny service to anyone who "dishes the race card". It happens often.
I would like to add that people don't necessarily need to speak to communicate. I will say it again: A person does not get to decide how his attire is interpreted. The dress code is based on an interpretation.
I don't talk about morals. I talk about standards. There is quite a difference. Look, we are talking about how to make pool better. Image plays a role. Get the big picture.
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dom_poppa
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Not jealous at all.
I am happy he's doing good and I am not in the same business as he is, so I am not jealous at all.
I'm saying an establishment with a strict dress code, remember it's only a pool room, not a formal event or wedding, strict dress code only means that the pool room attracts unwanted people. It means it a dangerous place and weirdos have known to be there. I would not be safe. It's a turn-off.
It's like the bar next door with 7 security guards. It only tells you one thing....there has been trouble.
P.S. I have never been there but Gold Crown is a very nice room from the pics on their site.
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I will let your first comment alone. It's wrong and you are trying to get my goat. I will only say I disagree.
Second, yes, I get the picture. You are narrow minded and have your own ideas about hoodies and other scary clothing. Interpretation is subjective to an individuals opinion. I don't get scared or think badly of a person when they are wearing a hooded sweatshirt. I don't have the same feelings about clothing as you do. In fact when I think of hooded sweatshirts it reminds me of running up and down the high school halls in plastic bags trying to make weight for the next wrestling match. Or the girls volleyball team when they bedazzled their school hoodies to look cool. Or Rudy in the movie Rudy. I think he wore a hoodie.
If I ever own a Pool Hall I want people like that in my place and I hope they do wear their hoodies.
You have the right to enforce what ever dress code you want. But when you start slipping and saying things you shouldn't on here be prepared to get called out.
Carry on and have a nice day..
dom_poppa
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you have to remember the pool room owner's are sometimes of the older generation and being where he's from they are probably a little conservative over there.
A hoodie can mean so many things to the older generation.
I can freely generalize as the OP has well with the hoodie comment.:thumbup:
You didn't answer my questions, you ducked. You're just as narrow minded as Paul is {if he is}. You're talking about two different things, you're talking stuff nobody has a problem with by being specific. You're forgetting what Paul is referring to, which is not the same thing. It's not about hooded sweatshirts, it's what they represent and you're refusing to look at his side of it. You may not live where this is seen a lot but, buddy, I sure as hell do!
No no. I am not trying to get your goat. I am being instructive. Having a dress code is only part of it. Effectively administering a dress code takes some experience and know how.
The funny thing.. if the older generation had the slightest clue as to WHY the Hoodie was actually introduced..
Just because the "hip-hop" culture or criminals adopt an article of clothing
doesn't mean all people who wear them fall under the same card. That's called discrimination & ignorance. Under asinine assumptions such as those, you might as well remove all 8 balls from your tables as they can signify gang relation and drugs.
By being specific? That's real funny. The most important thing any room owner can do for the sport of pool is to attract young people, hoodie or not.
Hoodies aren't the issue here. We truly disagree on what the hoodie represents, but that's ok. In my view, hoodies have made a come back and today I would say that they represent the younger generation overall. But the funny thing is my 70 year old Mom wears hoodies all the time. She says they keep her ears warm. I live in Houston, TX. It's hot most of the time. But when the temp drops we have plenty of folks who pull out their hoodies. Mostly from Old Navy.
The real issue is the hooded hood rat. In Houston, we have all types of undesirables in the form of; successful gangsters, hood rats and hardcore criminals. We also have a strong presence of the socially acceptable and desirable young hip hop crowd. We got; white, black, asian, hispanic, so american, african, cuban, dominician, what ever. Some good and some bad and all dress differently and all dress the same. And actually, most of them dress very nice except for the down and dirty hood rat.
Did you see the movie American Gangster with Denzel? I'm sure Paul would allow Frank Lucas in his club.:smile:
The smart criminal, looks no different than me or you. I personally know of a man who spent 30 years behind bars for gang related Murder, and I can guarantee that he could stand by you, hold a conversation and you'd never once assume he was a criminal or thug.
KISS is very simple philosophy
Myself and many, many boaters, outdoor activities individuals and normal individuals of ALL ages use the hoodies for what they are for - Plain and simple. = protection from inclement weather. Difficult to understand ?
Myself and many, many boaters, outdoor activities individuals and normal individuals of ALL ages use the hoodies for what they are for - Plain and simple. = protection from inclement weather. Difficult to understand ?
Good point Bar Box. If Paul's place was being cased out, I doubt he, or anyone else would know it. They would engage him in polite animated conversation to the point that he would gladly give them a tour of the hall and unwittingly give them more info than needed.
That said, he can't give everyone that walks thru the door a criminal record check. There are most likely more people with criminal records that adhere to his dress code than people that try and enter with hoodies and get turned away.
I just wish Paul would stop trying to play the savior of pool by continually stating that he has done this for the good of pool. Paul could probably care less what the owner of the hall 2 counties over is doing. He openly admitted that the main reason he went the route he did was to not give the municipal government any fodder to close him down. Simple, he did this solely for himself and not anyone else.
I know in our small little city that has one large noisy bar with tables and one real hall would not be able to implement a dress code and make a go of it. Most nights there just wouldn't be any customers. In the noisy kids place, the few times I have been there, I have seen no altercations and the real pool hall has had the odd one.
The only altercations that I witnessed have been caused by serving alcohol and not by what the patrons were wearing. I seriously doubt that Paul could post and say that he has never had any fights break out in his place. I imagine that there have been a few and those that happen are caused by alcohol and not clothes.
That said, he can't give everyone that walks thru the door a criminal record check. There are most likely more people with criminal records that adhere to his dress code than people that try and enter with hoodies and get turned away.
I just wish Paul would stop trying to play the savior of pool by continually stating that he has done this for the good of pool. Paul could probably care less what the owner of the hall 2 counties over is doing. He openly admitted that the main reason he went the route he did was to not give the municipal government any fodder to close him down. Simple, he did this solely for himself and not anyone else.
I know in our small little city that has one large noisy bar with tables and one real hall would not be able to implement a dress code and make a go of it. Most nights there just wouldn't be any customers. In the noisy kids place, the few times I have been there, I have seen no altercations and the real pool hall has had the odd one.
The only altercations that I witnessed have been caused by serving alcohol and not by what the patrons were wearing. I seriously doubt that Paul could post and say that he has never had any fights break out in his place. I imagine that there have been a few and those that happen are caused by alcohol and not clothes.
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