Spin Throw Combinations

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I hit this shot in a recent tournament and ran the rack out.

The 6-7 combo was not dead - it was outside the pocket. The 6 and 7 were not close enough together to throw the 7 in the usual way.

I decided to spin the 7 in off the 6 using a lot of cue ball right english. The right english spin on the cue ball imparts left english on the 6, which throws the seven to the right. What made this shot a little tricky was I decided to go rail-first to get the shape on the 6 ball.

I was happy to pull this one off!


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[Banks]

With how the 6 moved, at least in your diagram, it looks as though you must've clipped it from the bottom - whereas your diagram makes it look as though you hit it perpendicular to the rail or maybe even cut it towards the rail on the way back. I've been working on these, too, since they seem to come up a lot, but I don't have as good of luck when coming off the rail unless they're nearly wired. I may have cut the 6 with draw in this case if they're a little far away - using the draw to hit the rail and come back up and clip the 6 for a leave. Whatever you did do, it worked and you did it well!

 

[3RAILKICK]

That's too much knowledge. Nice shot. No wonder you took home the SoCal open trophy.

The rail first made this a next level shot.

Very cool shot.

 

[quadrary]

that shot could be made with no spin by going rail first as you did it made it a kick combo which is extremely difficult but since the angle of cut for the combo going rail first is less than 90 degrees could have been done with or without spin as long as the first object ball is hot at the correct point.

 

[TATE]

that shot could be made with no spin by going rail first as you did it made it a kick combo which is extremely difficult but since the angle of cut for the combo going rail first is less than 90 degrees could have been done with or without spin as long as the first object ball is hot at the correct point.

I probably could have made it without spin. The spin just makes the 7 ball more likely to throw toward the pocket and it also helped get the cue ball out of the way.

I could have also made the shot cutting the 6 straight into the 7 with right english but then the cue ball would have been let loose around the table and the 8 and 9 were downtable as possible blockers. This way I was pretty sure I would come up with some kind of shot on the 6 if I made the 7.

The point I wanted to make is that spin throw has a pretty strong gear effect on these close combinations. Some shots are possible that visually may not look like they're "on".

 

[Banks]

I probably could have made it without spin. The spin just makes the 7 ball more likely to throw toward the pocket and it also helped get the cue ball out of the way. Also, you never know if the 6 and 7 skid on contact it will throw the 7 out away from the pocket.

I could have also made the shot cutting the 6 straight into the 7 with right english but then the cue ball would have been let loose around the table and the 8 and 9 were downtable as possible blockers. This way I was pretty sure I would come up with some kind of shot on the 6 if I made the 7.

Still a nice shot and should I ever be allowed to play while in SoCal, I look forward to getting a hefty spot! Thanks! :thumbup:

 

[LAlouie]

I'd rather see the video. I know you know you did what you did, but I don't know if the balls reacted as you think they did.

 

[Hits 'em Hard]

I could have also made the shot cutting the 6 straight into the 7 with right english but then the cue ball would have been let loose around the table and the 8 and 9 were downtable as possible blockers. This way I was pretty sure I would come up with some kind of shot on the 6 if I made the 7.

Couldn't you have also used bottom-bottom-right to really the same effect? If I'm reading the table right, bottom-bottom-right would lead the 6 ball heading more towards the side pocket, and the cue ball coming back towards the side rail and out to leave for the 6 in the side.

 

[TATE]

Couldn't you have also used bottom-bottom-right to really the same effect? If I'm reading the table right, bottom-bottom-right would lead the 6 ball heading more towards the side pocket, and the cue ball coming back towards the side rail and out to leave for the 6 in the side.

Rail first, then yes. But if you mean a thin cut into the 6 ball bottom right would send the cue ball flying.

 

[TATE]

I'd rather see the video. I know you know you did what you did, but I don't know if the balls reacted as you think they did.

Have you tried setting it up? The shot is hit at a fairly low speed, rail first, lots of right english, hitting kind of thickly into the 6. The trick is to throw the 7 ball in, not cut it.

 

[ENGLISH!]

that shot could be made with no spin by going rail first as you did it made it a kick combo which is extremely difficult but since the angle of cut for the combo going rail first is less than 90 degrees could have been done with or without spin as long as the first object ball is hot at the correct point.

I agree & the spin off the rail is harder to control its' effect on the six(6) to the seven(7). But... that's the the way he saw it & shot it & made it & got the position he wanted, So... good shot. That's what I've been alluding to in many of my posts. There is not ONLY one way to shoot a shot as some on here seem to dictate. Again good shot.

 

[ENGLISH!]

I probably could have made it without spin. The spin just makes the 7 ball more likely to throw toward the pocket and it also helped get the cue ball out of the way.

I could have also made the shot cutting the 6 straight into the 7 with right english but then the cue ball would have been let loose around the table and the 8 and 9 were downtable as possible blockers. This way I was pretty sure I would come up with some kind of shot on the 6 if I made the 7.

The point I wanted to make is that spin throw has a pretty strong gear effect on these close combinations. Some shots are possible that visually may not look like they're "on".

I agree & you're right about the amount of effect. I sometimes miss such shots because I over do it occasionally fogetting the 'power' it can have.

 

[ENGLISH!]

I'd rather see the video. I know you know you did what you did, but I don't know if the balls reacted as you think they did.

Does not matter. He accomplished what he wanted to do. Maybe the diagram is not perfectly accurate. Does that progam allow you draw a curved 'spinnig ball' line?

 

[ENGLISH!]

Couldn't you have also used bottom-bottom-right to really the same effect? If I'm reading the table right, bottom-bottom-right would lead the 6 ball heading more towards the side pocket, and the cue ball coming back towards the side rail and out to leave for the 6 in the side.

There is more than TWO(2) ways to skin a cat.

 

[ENGLISH!]

Rail first, then yes. But if you mean a thin cut into the 6 ball bottom right would send the cue ball flying.

Not necessarily so. You can shoot that with a soft sliding & spinng cue ball. The 'trick' is to do it with a kind of popping stroke, pulling the stick back with no follow through. You don't need the speed or momentum, you just need the side spin with the low.

 

[Banks]

Does not matter. He accomplished what he wanted to do. Maybe the diagram is not perfectly accurate. Does that progam allow you draw a curved 'spinnig ball' line?

You assume he's questioning the path based on a curve.

There's a difference between saying what you did and being wrong while not knowing, or knowing what you did and not making it perfect on a little computer table layout.. I'm guessing it's the second part.

 

[ENGLISH!]

Have you tried setting it up? The shot is hit at a fairly low speed, rail first, lots of right english, hitting kind of thickly into the 6. The trick is to throw the 7 ball in, not cut it.

You seem to be only taking about the way you did it and as I've said the diagram might not be perfect. but as I see it there are quite a few ways to make the shot. But, the bottom line is, you made the shot the way YOU saw it. GOOD on you.

 

[ENGLISH!]

You assume he's questioning the path based on a curve.

There's a difference between saying what you did and being wrong while not knowing, or knowing what you did and not making it perfect on a little computer table layout.. I'm guessing it's the second part.

I don't understnd. Are you saying he does not know what he did?

 

[Banks]

I don't understnd. Are you saying he does not know what he did?

No, I'm saying you don't know what the other poster was questioning. Enjoy the rest of your thread, though. :wave3:

 

[TATE]

You assume he's questioning the path based on a curve.

There's a difference between saying what you did and being wrong while not knowing, or knowing what you did and not making it perfect on a little computer table layout.. I'm guessing it's the second part.

I think the cue ball was steeper (greater angle) into the shot than I diagrammed. After trying this some time tonight I was lucky to get the shot I got afterward because the tendancy is to leave the cue ball on the rail.