Don Sherman / sureman183

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I would be more than happy to escrow the cues to help bring this situation to closure.

This whole ordeal sucks a$$.

Don certainly does not seem willing to do the right thing... I know I'm going to get an ear full from him the next time I see him, so be it.

I know Chris very well, have done several deals with him, and have hung out with him at the SBE the past three years. The cue world has dealt him a losing hand time and time again. He does not deserve what he has received when he is trying to support the trade. He is as honest as the day is long.

Bottom line... the Gus should have been sent back to Chris, or the cash value of the original deal... period. Anything less is unacceptable... and the current outcome is unacceptable...
 
This Is A really Sad Situation......

Sureman's lack of written response to any of these threads is very disheartening and portrays him, correctly or incorrectly, as a dishonest Forum member. I do not know that to be true but there's a pattern to these facts and there's a lot of money involved in this cue transaction.......Don should recognize that his days are over as a cue seller on the Forum unless he clears this mess up.....who in the right mind would ever buy anything from "Sureman" based upon the situation at hand?

I've purchased three cues thru the Foum and have had the sellers list the cues on e-bay with a buy it now listing price we agree upon and buy the cues using Paypal. I know it's not fool proof but all my cue purchases have gone off without a hitch and it costs me a few bucks more since I offer to pay the seller's e-bay fees since I was the party that insisted using e-bay & Paypal.

"Sureman" needs to get his affairs in order fast and make this right or everyone on the forum should avoid doing any business with him again.

Based upon what I've read and his lack of action, I'll never buy anything from "Sureman" and the last two cues I bought were over $2500 each.......('06 Scruggs & 10-'91 Mottey). I'm looking to buy another ivory joint cue right now and have a few cue-makers in mind.....I already have my name on the list with Deanoc for an ivory joint Schon cue but I'm also interested in buying another cue right now.

Rest Assured that my next cue purchase will definitely not be with "Sureman".....the only thing "sure" about "Sureman" that I can see is to proceed with due caution dealing with him or even better, just be smart and avoid doing any business with him.

And the offer extended by the other forum member to return the Showman cue was a great gesture from a guy that cares about trying to lend a helping hand to a situation he did absolutely nothing to cause happen......thank goodness for the good people on the Forum.

I never liked the notion of using a escrow agent for cue purchases but it's starting to make a lot more sense when you buy a high-end, collectible cue. I hate doing that but after reading what's happened with "Sureman", I'm beginning to think might be the prudent thing to do.....we'll see.

Matt B.
 
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Salamander said:
Having gone through a similar painful experiance with a cuemaker that f'ed up one of my cues, lied, and then refused to make it right, I would say that you are the recipient of a bad deal.

You can continue as I did and try and get some resolution, but most likely this Don fellow will not budge. More than likely he does not have the cash to make it right, even if he wanted to.

You can continue to "bash" him on Az., which will undoubtedly affect his business, which will ultimately cause him more loss to his business than the money that he made on this transaction. There is some satisfaction in that, but it won't get your money back. Along the way, be prepared to respond to and listen to the Don "groupies" that think he is above repute.
Or you can "chaulk it up to a bad deal" and move on.

Either way, I sympathize with your loss. I suppose if you do enough deals on this website you eventually will encounter a bad transaction.

Good luck.
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Looks like all we'll hear is the deafening sound of silence

Don should come forward with his version of this fiasco, assuming it's divergent of the OP'S
 
Don Sureman

Don....You stopped at my house and did quite a few deals, on the way back from Phila show, and spent a lot of money. Sold you Southwest cues, Southwest shafts, etc and the Schon. If you over extended yourself and went short of cash, return my Southwest Cues and shafts, and the Schon in the same condition and I'll return your money if you need it to get out of this jam. I hate to see things like this go down. Maybe this will help get you out of this jam...maybe it won't, but the offer is there...Duke....
 
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Sureman's lack of written response to any of these threads is very disheartening and portrays him, correctly or incorrectly, as a dishonest Forum member. I do not know that to be true but there's a pattern to these facts and there's a lot of money involved in this cue transaction.......Don should recognize that his days are over as a cue seller on the Forum unless he clears this mess up.....who in the right mind would ever buy anything from "Sureman" based upon the situation at hand?

I've purchased three cues thru the Foum and have had the sellers list the cues on e-bay with a buy it now listing price we agree upon and buy the cues using Paypal. I know it's not fool proof but all my cue purchases have gone off without a hitch and it costs me a few bucks more since I offer to pay the seller's e-bay fees since I was the party that insisted using e-bay & Paypal.

"Sureman" needs to get his affairs in order fast and make this right or everyone on the forum should avoid doing any business with him again.

Based upon what I've read and his lack of action, I'll never buy anything from "Sureman" and the last two cues I bought were over $2500 each.......('06 Scruggs & 10-'91 Mottey). I'm looking to buy another ivory joint cue right now and have a few cue-makers in mind.....I already have my name on the list with Deanoc for an ivory joint Schon cue but I'm also interested in buying another cue right now.

Rest Assured that my next cue purchase will definitely not be with "Sureman".....the only thing "sure" about "Sureman" that I can see is to proceed with due caution dealing with him or even better, just be smart and avoid doing any business with him.

And the offer extended by the other forum member to return the Showman cue was a great gesture from a guy that cares about trying to lend a helping hand to a situation he did absolutely nothing to cause happen......thank goodness for the good people on the Forum.

I never liked the notion of using a escrow agent for cue purchases but it's starting to make a lot more sense when you buy a high-end, collectible cue. I hate doing that but after reading what's happened with "Sureman", I'm beginning to think might be the prudent thing to do.....we'll see.

Matt B.
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Couldn't agree more, this really needs to be posted in the Wanted/Forsale
forum and the Cue and Case Gallery forum so no one else gets screwed.
 
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duker said:
Don....You stopped at my house and did quite a few deals, on the way back from Phila show, and spent a lot of money. Sold you Southwest cues, Southwest shafts, etc and the Schon. If you over extended yourself and went short of cash, return my Southwest Cues and shafts, and the Schon in the same condition and I'll return your money if you need it to get out of this jam. I hate to see things like this go down. Maybe this will help get you out of this jam...maybe it won't, but the offer is there...Duke....
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Thank you very much Duke!


In my opinion, when I sent the Gus back I lost all of my leverage. He was able to dump two cues for a Gus and keep the money.

I'm sure he will lose more money in sales from AZ than it would cost to just make things right. It makes no sense.

But it wouldn't because I'm a man of my word.


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itsfroze said:
Couldn't agree more, this really needs to be posted in the Wanted/Forsale
forum and the Cue and Case Gallery forum so no one else gets screwed.
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Nothing is for sale, so it would get pulled.


How about posting a link to this thread in your signatures? That would get the message to more people.


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Don Sherman should have man up and posted his side of this deal, but instead he took the chicken chit way out.
 
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Very good of Peter to offer you the Showman back.
Much more than Don has done for you so far.

Chris, a couple of times I read where you offered Don money.
As in, Don, keep $500 for your trouble, Don, keep $300 for shipping and your trouble.

This isn't right that you are throwing money at his feet.
He owes you exactly what you have into your deal and maybe he should throw you a little back for all your trouble.

That and maybe cut you a heck of a deal on a cue in the near future.

Maybe we should all carry that sig line for a while until Don decides to tell his side of the story. Oh, I forgot, he doesn't have one. Apologize and make it right plus a bit of gravy for you.

People have to start realizing that if they are going to dick members around on AZ, it won't be forgotten about soon.
 
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Blue Hog ridr said:
Very good of Peter to offer you the Showman back.
Much more than Don has done for you so far.

Chris, a couple of times I read where you offered Don money.
As in, Don, keep $500 for your trouble, Don, keep $300 for shipping and your trouble.

This isn't right that you are throwing money at his feet.
He owes you exactly what you have into your deal and maybe he should throw you a little back for all your trouble.

That and maybe cut you a heck of a deal on a cue in the near future.

Maybe we should all carry that sig line for a while until Don decides to tell his side of the story. Oh, I forgot, he doesn't have one. Apologize and make it right plus a bit of gravy for you.

People have to start realizing that if they are going to dick members around on AZ, it won't be forgotten about soon.
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I understand what you mean. And I fully appreciate your support.


Don knows he has the best of me... for now. I may need to pursue legal action if he chooses to continue on this path.
 
There was a point during this debacle that some folks gave Don a break and blamed the wife. I feel that he probably used her to speak for him because he doesn't have the balls to man up and admit he is wrong.

Never met the man and have no desire to, this is just my opinion, your mileage may vary.
 
TheCueHunter said:
My wife's a lawyer but she's not cheap:grin::eek:
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I think I need to start the process in CT and then transfer to either PA (where the transaction took place) or MI (where Don lives).


Maybe we can talk over the weekend...


<~~~~~~definitely not poor :grin:
 
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He wouldn't be the first 'good guy' to decide to take a bad road ...:angry::angry:
 
This is why over the last 17 years in this business, I do fewer and fewer deals. I have locked myself into basically one cuemaker to minimize the B.S. What a shame.

I have know Don for a long time and I am really disappointed in how this whole thing went down. Chris does exactly what he says he will do 100% of the time and ends getting fu*%ed for it.

Chris, I wish there was something I could say or do to help. Take care.

JimmyK
 
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There are good guys and then there are...

It's nice to see these two good guys step up.
They see there's a problem and try to offer help.

First you have Tinh339. this is how he tries to help:

I just hate to see good guy getting burned. Don, If you read this..I like you to know that if i can help in any way to resolve this issue that you have with Chris. I willing to give up the Showman if that can help you guys out....Let me know.
Regards
Peter

NICE GOING Tinh339 :thumbup:
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Next you have duker, this is how he tries to help:

If you over extended yourself and went short of cash, return my Southwest Cues and shafts, and the Schon in the same condition and I'll return your money if you need it to get out of this jam. I hate to see things like this go down. Maybe this will help get you out of this jam...maybe it won't, but the offer is there...

NICE GOING Duker :thumbup:

Really nice gestures from both of you guys, always good to see good people trying to help!
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Then you have Don Sherman / sureman183
This is what he does to help: NOTHING

First he screws Chris, then he won't return his calls, then he screws him
again, still not responding to attempts at communication, then, and get
this he says he's done. WTF

WAY TO GO Don :mad:

Not only did you screw Chris, but you screwed yourself how many people
here on AZ will deal with you after this they would have to be crazy.

You know right from wrong and you know you're wrong in this matter.

CLOSE TO 9,000 VIEWS ON THIS THREAD ALREADY I'D BE TRIPPING
OVER MYSELF TO MAKE THIS RIGHT IF I SOLD CUES, JUST SAYING
 
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