Top english change to draw after bounces of bottom rail

patrickcues said:
Yes it is a One Pocket shot. It is not hard to execute at all. All you do is hit the shot with a lot of high english. You have to hit the shot very firm. Like your trying to kick one rail the ball back at your hole. When CB comes off the rail it will still have the top english on it CB So when it hits the OB it will suck back to the end rail you kicked off of. I will see if I can get a video of the shot. Most one pocket players knows the shot very well and uses it quite often.
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Aaaah, another objective than making the ball & keeping the CB there. That makes sense. 2 or 3 rails to my pocket & leave the CB by his pocket. I can see doing that straight at the ob but I would not kick at it & try to do it, unless I HAD to try it. That's too unpredictable for me. It's been a long time since I played one pocket. I should get back to it. I hope you can find a video. I'd very much like for everyone to actually see it.
 
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Patrick Johnson said:
I think it was a trick shot artist using a vertical masse stroke on a cue ball slicked up for trick shot performance. And I doubt those are anything like the conditions under which you say this happens so often. It's definitely not any "rare one pocket shot" like the OP asked about.

I can only guess that we're talking about different shots.

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chgo
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Mr. patrickcues says that it is a common one pocket shot, known by many one pocket players.
 
TASK said:
I think the effect you are describing takes place at the 0:31 second mark of this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WebDFOWB3_8&feature=plcp

I'm not sure how he managed to retain that much spin after hitting three rails, but I having a nagging feeling that it was something more than just slick cloth and a good stroke.
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Thanks Task, great video, has the same idea of what i am looking for but he does it after two or three rail kick. I have a feeling his black and red balls are much heavier than normal balls to enable him to get that much action on CB who knows.
 
ENGLISH! said:
Mr. patrickcues says that it is a common one pocket shot, known by many one pocket players.
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Pat was referring to the Venom trick shot in which the cue ball still has masse draw after hitting three cushions. Here is the shot. The video is set to start right at the shot in question.

http://youtu.be/WebDFOWB3_8?t=32s

It has the action in question (from the original poster) but is a very extreme example of it.
 
TASK said:
I have no idea. I'm not very familiar with masses or trick shots, but it is my understanding that there are some types of silicone sprays that can be used to reduce a ball's friction from the cloth, allowing it to retain spin longer. If I had to guess, I would think that something like that was used in the video.
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I was browsing to find a trick shot special CB or OB balls, surprisingly I ran across, YouTube video below, is he using trick cue ball??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH6BwHaADBc
 
Patrick Johnson said:
So far all I've seen are unrelated trick shots and unsubstantiated claims. If it's so common why don't we see any examples here?

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Why don't you SHOW us why it CAN NOT happen. You are the one accusing the OP, myself & now Mr. patrickcues of being at least incorrect if not liars.
 
ENGLISH! said:
Why don't you SHOW us why it CAN NOT happen. You are the one accusing the OP, myself & now Mr. patrickcues of being at least incorrect if not liars.
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We know how it can be demonstrated. Explain exactly how you think it can be undemonstrated.

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It seems like it would be very difficult to do on normal equipment, the reason being that isn't it very difficult to put any significant over spin on a cue ball, especially enough that it would retain that spin after coming off a rail?

The reason it happens when hitting an object ball is that the rolling cue ball converts to spin when it hits an object ball pretty full, like in Dr. Dave's videos.
 
DogsPlayingPool said:
It seems like it would be very difficult to do on normal equipment, the reason being that isn't it very difficult to put any significant over spin on a cue ball, especially enough that it would retain that spin after coming off a rail?

The reason it happens when hitting an object ball is that the rolling cue ball converts to spin when it hits an object ball pretty full, like in Dr. Dave's videos.
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Sorry to disagree, but a rolling ball does not 'convert' to Engish over spin after a collision. It is not difficult 'for me' to put overspin english on a cue ball. Just like draw, it's in the stroke.
 
ENGLISH! said:
I hope you can find one.
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Hi English- i used to have a video on VCR tape i converted to DVD, and throw away the tape out, now my DVD is damaged and cannot view it, i forgot who did that shot on it, maybe Goblin (old one pocket player) the tape from Accuestat , the tape shows kick shots for one pocket game and i saw the shot i swear!!
 
naji said:
Hi English- i used to have a video on VCR tape i converted to DVD, and throw away the tape out, now my DVD is damaged and cannot view it, i forgot who did that shot on it, maybe Goblin (old one pocket player) the tape from Accuestat , the tape shows kick shots for one pocket game and i saw the shot i swear!!
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I know you have seen it. I have it it many times. We have a $1000.00 added one pocket here 3 times a years. I know we will be streaming it again this time August 9-12th. I am positive it will be done again during our tournament.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
We know how it can be demonstrated. Explain exactly how you think it can be undemonstrated.

pj
chgo
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I know it can't be conclusively undemonstrated, because I've done it a few times by accident & I've seen it done several other times by others. You're the one telling THREE(3) eye witnesses that our eyes have lied to us. I totally understand the physics behind it. The only question to any knowledgable billiard player would be, 'can an over 'spinning' cue ball maintain enough spin or pick up enough spin after hitting a rail while traveling the distance of say 1.5 table lengths in total, to collide with an object ball, 'stun' & then 'spin' forward from the spinnig in place as it slows to a point of getting traction or grab as the spin decreases & the friction takes affect.' I know it can because I've seen it & as I've propered, maybe the cue ball jumps into the air after hitting the rail & thus reduces the spin loss that would be taking place if it were traveling ON the cloth, instead of in the much less resistant air.
 
naji said:
Hi English- i used to have a video on VCR tape i converted to DVD, and throw away the tape out, now my DVD is damaged and cannot view it, i forgot who did that shot on it, maybe Goblin (old one pocket player) the tape from Accuestat , the tape shows kick shots for one pocket game and i saw the shot i swear!!
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I totally believe you. Thanks for the info.
 
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