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punter

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All this over two shafts! Seems like two people have way too much time on their hands, and have managed to entrap many others in their nonsensical dealings. We've all fallen into this trap, shame on us! I don't even want to delve into the psychology of why humans will go so far to cover up a lie or make one up in the first place. That fault lies deep within all of us, in the darker recesses of our soul. A place the wiser of us leaves untouched for a lifetime.

P.S. IMO that video looks so staged! I don't even want to begin to say all the things I see wrong with it and I'm no Sherlock Holmes. :rolleyes:
Take care all, I've seen about enough. I should have known better than to re-enter this fray. Shame on me.

Very deep.
 

hejests

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I can't believe I actually spent time reading this thread and even watched the video.

The video seemed staged to me and the reaction to being screwed out of two shafts didn't seem genuine at all. That's my 2 cents worth.
 

ComptonCustomCues

Quality Handcrafted Cues
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has everyone missed this little gem. That truck this magical mailman is driving is hard to fake
trentproof.png

The video was uploaded on the same days hours after the mailing reciept. Along with the signature this video is the real deal.
 

ratcues

No yodeling, please.
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Escrow, escrow, escrow. With the way this whole thing has played out, Trent should have sent the cue to a third party and the third party on to Larry. No muss, no fuss.

Now, Trent needs to file a claim with USPS and Larry needs to keep all of the packing material. Let an investigator look into it. If it all weighs out, according to USPS, then Trent didn't send the shafts. If it doesn't weigh out, Larry staged it(doubtful) or USPS could have damaged the box in transit, lost or damaged the shafts, retaped it, and delivered it to Larry.

On a similar note, I have seen damaged merchandise get "lost" in transit because "someone" didn't want to get in trouble or file paperwork. That's not out of the realm of possibility.
 

jhanso18

Broken Lock
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after reviewing the evidence, i vote that MBlades mailed to himself after he got it and is F-ing around for some reason. the duct tape, coupled with the time lay over, and this bad boy is done for me.

That being said, it's unfortunate because I would not do anything with either of these guys now. I like fine knives, and cues and will never have a product new from these two. This is what happens when you handle situations like this poorly. Although I would say in the end that Trent appears to be on the up and up. In this internet day and age, I would rather be doubly cautious and skip doing business with either.

Sad day, but EPIC thread. 24 pages of pure uncut bullshit and loving every post of it!!!


best of luck to both of you,

Justin
 

Pool nerd

Banned
well This has been a huge waste of my life reading all this.....

Seems as though trent is willing to give the blades guy 2 more shafts and try and make this thing end.
 

LucasBilliards

AzB Silver Member
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This is by far the farthest thing from the truth posted so far.

heres my first email to larry

Well i have some bad news. I took the cue to the pool room this morning to test hit it with my playing shaft, it hit really solid and played well. until i hit a extreme low english shot and i heard a funny sound. so i held it up to my ear ear and gave it a few taps and theres a slight rattle at the Ajoint but its deffenitly aparent that its there. I dont know what to do about it, ive never had one rattle like this before.

breaks my heart I really liked this cue, but theres no way it acceptable now. How would you like me to resolve this?

I feel horrible.


I went on to offer a Free cue when i get the shop going again a full refund and send him the only comprable wood in my shop to make it up to him.


then heres his response



Trent
There is nothing to work out, and there is nothing to debate. You have MY PROPERTY.... Send me the completed koa cue and the shafts as agreed upon. The paypal payment has been made for the $135 that I owed you for making the cue with MY STABILIZED KOA MATERIALS. It is now done. YOU HAVE BEEN PAID IN FULL...... PERIOD. Paypal Payment Sent (Unique Transaction ID # 62M39456EU690472L) If I want to use the cue as a tomato stake in my garden thats up to me. If you decide not to follow through with this written agreement its breach of contract and theft.

If I do not receive an email with the tracking # for the completed koa cue and shafts by 10 am Wednesday morning (7-25-12), then I will be filing charges with your local police department, and contacting my attorney for the next legal steps I need to take. I will also be posting all of this, so people can see that you STOLE the stabilized koa from me.

Sincerely,
Larry Shaughnessy



heres my response to that BS

I thought I was making a fair offer but apparently not.

I offered to make you a free cue if u supply the material, just to make it up to you. And refund your money and give you some very nice burl woods. I thought bussiness wise on my part that was more than fair.

I have a lot of time and money invested in this aswell, the rings are not chep nor is the phenolic or the pins or the finish. I'm at a lose in this just as much as you.

I urge you to please reconsider my offer. As I do not want a substandard cue to leave my shop.

If you still deam this as a unsatisfactory offer I'm sure we can work it out.


his respones

Trent,
In addition to what has already been stated.......I just want you to know that if I discover that my Koa cue has indeed been sold to someone else, I am not only going after you to recover my property, but your buyer as well, your buyer will never be able to take the cue out in public without repercussions . . . I have also taken pictures of your facebook page showing the the comments and offers you received on my Koa cue during and after its completion. I will be providing this evidence to the police and my attorney.



And he went on to say on here and in email that i sold the cue out from under him im a theif, i stole his property, ill make sure you and anyone who has that cue wont be able to take it in public.

sounds like a real calm person to me.

Trent,
In addition to what has already been stated.......I just want you to know that if I discover that my Koa cue has indeed been sold to someone else, I am not only going after you to recover my property, but your buyer as well, your buyer will never be able to take the cue out in public without repercussions . . . I have also taken pictures of your facebook page showing the the comments and offers you received on my Koa cue during and after its completion. I will be providing this evidence to the police and my attorney.
Sincerely Larry Shaughnessy


all and the rash of emails were sent in one night while i was at work he went off like a cannon.

granted i was mad and said to myself fine he wants his damn property back so back ill cut the cue apart and send him the wood pieces back.

and i posted it with the wrong verbiage

i should have originally said ill disassemble the cue at the rings and send your wood back.


well ive yet again made a good offer to larry and no response 2 black phenolic shafts for the cue so you can atleast play with it.

lets see if i even get a response.


Lmfao this dude can't even keep his lies straight. This is clearly another poor attempt to deceive. His first response was not what you posted above it was this;

>--- On Sat, 7/21/12, Larry Shaughnessy <larrymshaughnessy@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>>From: Larry Shaughnessy <larrymshaughnessy@yahoo.com>
>>Subject: Fw: your message / rattle
>>To: "Trent" <marleycustomcues@yahoo.com>
>>Date: Saturday, July 21, 2012, 6:27 PM
>>
>>
>>Tell me what I owe you and then just send me the cue with the shafts.... Thanks Larry
>>
>>LShaughnessy


Didn't flip out, was in fact very calm. The fact that you edited that message out shows how willing you are to be deceptive. You clearly left that one out because it didn't prove the point you were trying to make. Try harder buddy.
 

jay helfert

Shoot Pool, not people
Gold Member
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has everyone missed this little gem. That truck this magical mailman is driving is hard to fake
trentproof.png

The video was uploaded on the same days hours after the mailing reciept. Along with the signature this video is the real deal.

Tap Tap, good catch there. I also missed that one.
Do I care? NO :wink:
 

cuesblues

cue accumulator
Silver Member
Trent,

Did you really only charge the guy 270 for a complete cue, with 2 shafts?.

That's the part that makes this thread so fascinating.
The forum will spend more than $270 on popcorn.
The chilling video (which is real by the way) just adds to the intensity.
 

TATE

AzB Gold Mensch
Silver Member
After seeing the truck, and especially the unsigned then signed receipt, I have to say I've changed my mind and think the video is real. Dumb, but real. Larry anticipated something.

Then Trent's offer to send two new shafts. That is the clincher. I've flip flopped. Trent is at the table, torturing Larry who is in the chair. We are the helpless sweaters.
 

Mickey Qualls

You study the watch......
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My opinion ?? And I don’t know Larry or Trent from Adam.

People keep mentioning that Larry’s reaction wasn’t typical with what one would expect when they opened a box with zero shafts in it. Truthfully, with all the drama surrounding this entire ordeal, it’s not surprising at all. Hell, just the butt in the shipping container would have been what I would have expected in Larry‘s shoes. I’d be running all sorts of scenarios in my head as to what the contents of that box would be. And in the end, I’d probably figure on “that a**hole sending me just the butt”.

Same thing with Larry even having the camera in the first place. I would have expected some sort of shenanigans from Trent after all the back and forth in regards to ‘cutting the butt up and sending it back in pieces’. So I’d want to document it somehow. Hence the video.

And for what it’s worth, my mailman’s schedule is pretty predictable. I get the mail around 2:00 - 2:15 every day, and if I’ve run the tracking number that morning, then I know the package is ‘out for delivery’ and coming “today” (the 6th). So I’d have everything set up by 1:30, if not earlier.

Truth be told, after getting (no pun intended) the shaft on the bay a couple of times, I do the following:
I have a Kodak EIS video camera. Whenever I sell anything, I label and pack as much of the box as I can at home, while still being able to remove the item. When I get to the post office, I film A) my inspection of the item, B) my placing it in the box, C) sealing the box, and D) standing in line until I give it to the clerk. It’s all one continuous shot.
Once the customer receives the item, and everything’s good (I.e. feedback left, customer satisfied), I can delete the video.
Anybody can take pictures of a full box. And then take things out of that box before taping it up.

I guess if I were Trent, and thought (even for a second) that Larry was going to pull some $h!t, I would have been in full CYA mode, and filmed everything from packing the box until I gave it to the mail clerk.

So now it’s being suggested that Larry took the shafts out and repackaged the box with NO shafts and shipped it to himself again…… just out of spite ??? Seriously ????
All Larry has ever wanted was the cue with his KOA wood, and the two shafts. Which is (to my understanding) what he paid for. So what’s the point of dragging this entire ordeal out ?? Two more shafts ??

I’m curious, why did this apology thread start BEFORE Larry received the box ???

The creation of this thread almost seems like ‘blowback’ was expected. If Trent even considered for a moment that Larry may try to pull a fast one, why not cover your ass with a video ? Keep it in your ‘back pocket’ if he thinks Larry will try to say nothing was shipped ??

Something doesn’t seem right on Trent’s side.....
 

LucasBilliards

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
after reviewing the evidence, i vote that MBlades mailed to himself after he got it and is F-ing around for some reason. the duct tape, coupled with the time lay over, and this bad boy is done for me.

That being said, it's unfortunate because I would not do anything with either of these guys now. I like fine knives, and cues and will never have a product new from these two. This is what happens when you handle situations like this poorly. Although I would say in the end that Trent appears to be on the up and up. In this internet day and age, I would rather be doubly cautious and skip doing business with either.

Sad day, but EPIC thread. 24 pages of pure uncut bullshit and loving every post of it!!!


best of luck to both of you,

Justin

So you're saying he had enough time to open the package after receiving it at 4pm on 8/6/12, come up with this scheme, repackage everything up, get it back to the post office in time to have it redelivered on 8/6/12 and then film this staged video and post it by 6pm? The video was posted to youtube less then 3 hours after the package was delivered according to USPS.
 

jhanso18

Broken Lock
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BTW,

BEST...
THREAD...
EEEEEEEEVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sorry, forgot that in my last post.



Justin
 

Spimp13

O8 Specialist
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Paging Disco for photoshop.....

TAR # ....

Trent vs Larry
Day 1 Best 2 out of 3 wrapping a cue and shafts in a box with whatever materials you choose.

Day 2 Best 2 out of 3 creating a video of opening the box with reactions (creativity gets bonus points)

Day 3 Best 2 out of 3 Lie Detector test

$5k each winner take all and the loser gets a tattoo that says "I'm a Piece of Sh*t" on their forehead.
 

jhanso18

Broken Lock
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So you're saying he had enough time to open the package after receiving it at 4pm on 8/6/12, come up with this scheme, repackage everything up, get it back to the post office in time to have it redelivered on 8/6/12 and then film this staged video and post it by 6pm? The video was posted to youtube less then 3 hours after the package was delivered according to USPS.



yup, Pretty much. I'm sure I'm wrong, but don't really care.


everything else in that post stands. In order to avoid a HUGE pain in the ass, don't do business with people you think might be sketchy unless you meet them, or have some sort of cover, EBAY, PAYPAL, etc. either way this thing ends I would never do business with either of these guys unless it was in person, Cash exchanged for completed goods.



Justin
 

Fast Lenny

Faster Than You...
Silver Member
after reviewing the evidence, i vote that MBlades mailed to himself after he got it and is F-ing around for some reason. the duct tape, coupled with the time lay over, and this bad boy is done for me.

That being said, it's unfortunate because I would not do anything with either of these guys now. I like fine knives, and cues and will never have a product new from these two. This is what happens when you handle situations like this poorly. Although I would say in the end that Trent appears to be on the up and up. In this internet day and age, I would rather be doubly cautious and skip doing business with either.

Sad day, but EPIC thread. 24 pages of pure uncut bullshit and loving every post of it!!!


best of luck to both of you,

Justin
The cue was delivered on the 6th and video posted on the 6th so how could he have mailed it to himself? The duct tape is irrelevant because Trent posted a picture, we know nothing about what happened after that pic was posted. I think Larry is being honest IMO, I might have some choice words after opening the box with no shafts in it though, he might be happy to finally at least have the butt of the cue after all of this and not everyone flips out and shows it. I do not buy that someone stole the shafts out of the box and left the butt, I would think it would have been the other way around to be honest.

Larry knew the package was coming that day because tracking will tell you the delivery date so he was ready with camera in hand. I know a rough time when the mail man is coming at my place and if I lived in a cul-de-sac like Larry does its easy to know when the guy is making stops on my street especially in a small quiet neighborhood.

Larry is not wrong here from the evidence presented, there are 2 things that happened, Trent did not send the shafts or someone stole them while in transit, you can take your pick of the two. If I were Trent and I knew I sent those shafts out then I would not be offering to send him two more shafts, I would tell him he is a lying POS and to shove it, then I would be done with this all.
 

Fast Lenny

Faster Than You...
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my opinion ?? And i don’t know larry or trent from adam.

People keep mentioning that larry’s reaction wasn’t typical with what one would expect when they opened a box with zero shafts in it. Truthfully, with all the drama surrounding this entire ordeal, it’s not surprising at all. Hell, just the butt in the shipping container would have been what i would have expected in larry‘s shoes. I’d be running all sorts of scenarios in my head as to what the contents of that box would be. And in the end, i’d probably figure on “that a**hole sending me just the butt”.

Same thing with larry even having the camera in the first place. I would have expected some sort of shenanigans from trent after all the back and forth in regards to ‘cutting the butt up and sending it back in pieces’. So i’d want to document it somehow. Hence the video.

And for what it’s worth, my mailman’s schedule is pretty predictable. I get the mail around 2:00 - 2:15 every day, and if i’ve run the tracking number that morning, then i know the package is ‘out for delivery’ and coming “today” (the 6th). So i’d have everything set up by 1:30, if not earlier.

Truth be told, after getting (no pun intended) the shaft on the bay a couple of times, i do the following:
I have a kodak eis video camera. Whenever i sell anything, i label and pack as much of the box as i can at home, while still being able to remove the item. When i get to the post office, i film a) my inspection of the item, b) my placing it in the box, c) sealing the box, and d) standing in line until i give it to the clerk. It’s all one continuous shot.
Once the customer receives the item, and everything’s good (i.e. Feedback left, customer satisfied), i can delete the video.
Anybody can take pictures of a full box. And then take things out of that box before taping it up.

I guess if i were trent, and thought (even for a second) that larry was going to pull some $h!t, i would have been in full cya mode, and filmed everything from packing the box until i gave it to the mail clerk.

So now it’s being suggested that larry took the shafts out and repackaged the box with no shafts and shipped it to himself again…… just out of spite ??? Seriously ????
All larry has ever wanted was the cue with his koa wood, and the two shafts. Which is (to my understanding) what he paid for. So what’s the point of dragging this entire ordeal out ?? Two more shafts ??

I’m curious, why did this apology thread start before larry received the box ???

The creation of this thread almost seems like ‘blowback’ was expected. If trent even considered for a moment that larry may try to pull a fast one, why not cover your ass with a video ? Keep it in your ‘back pocket’ if he thinks larry will try to say nothing was shipped ??

Something doesn’t seem right on trent’s side.....
tap-trentshead-tap!
 

crabbcatjohn

AzB Silver Member
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people are lazy

So you're saying he had enough time to open the package after receiving it at 4pm on 8/6/12, come up with this scheme, repackage everything up, get it back to the post office in time to have it redelivered on 8/6/12 and then film this staged video and post it by 6pm? The video was posted to youtube less then 3 hours after the package was delivered according to USPS.

People seem to just make opinions on things without reasearching the threads, Trents lack of including the nice emails from Larry in his earlier post speaks volumes. The threatening emails didn't even happen until Trent started a thread saying he was going to cut up his cue, video tape it and send it to him in pieces. That should show everybody who is the person with the mental problems is here..
 

cueaddicts

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Here's another possible angle worth considering. These two are in cahoots and the joke is really on all of us.... :eek:
 
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