Got Cheated In Olathe

Getting screwed is not a fair title, getting an icewater roll is better . LOL The break and run pot was well over 50K, and they drew my name, when they draw in beloit, Dave Coles turns off all music, makes everyone stop playing, and about 100 people are around the table, so quiet you can hear a pin drop.

Whitey and i had been going every thursday, about 3 hours for him, and about 5 for me, i think we went like 16 weeks in a row. they draw my name, now i think its worth about 4500 a ball. they rack up 9 ball on a 9 foot diamond, to qualify you must pocket a ball on the break.

if u make a ball then you shoot in rotation, starting with the lowest ,.number ball on the table. if you miss you dont get anything, if lets say you make the 3 ball, now you must pocket the 1 ball to get paid for the 3 ball. lets say you pocket the 1 ball, you can stop or continue to shoot. but if you miss you get nothing.

ok, i break the balls, i make 2 balls on the break, the 1 ball is about 3 inches out of the top corner pocket. the cue ball stops about 2 feet away with a perfect angle to get to my next object ball and probably run out. im excited, its quiet, the croud is coming to life, expecting major damage to the pot. there comes the last ball rolling, the 8 ball, it passes the cue ball where it stopped , rolls at a perfect to almost freeze on the 1 ball, im dead hooked. i take my time, kick 2 rails up behind the 1, the 8 ball is heading table length towards the right corner pocket, the cue ball moves about 2 feet and im straight in on the 2 ball, the 8 hits titty and hangs in the corner pocket.

D, ave Coles called me last night and asked if i was coming to the high rollers tournament next weekend. i dont know if i can make it, but i told dave i would try. it pays great with the auction, they only take 48 entries so get your money in. i am the defending champion and i would love to make it, im working now so it may be tough. tournament is at the carom room in beloit wisconsin,good luck to all.

GARY LUTMAN

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1 Lone Wolf said:
My First Match I draw Joey Grey 146 Players Joey Sells Highest In The Auction I have never posted anything online before i thought this is something that the pool world should know i have had evelyn run a lot of my tournaments over the years and she overall has done well i am having shoulder surgery soon and in just the last couple weeks my shoulder has felt a little better so i picked olathe ks my favorite venue i am friends with dan tull for years my opinion the best tournaments in the midwest and the country in the last 4 years i havent missed 1 i havent played since april 5 because of my injury im playing joey and i am up 7 6 he has missed 1 ball and i havent missed any its my shot and i shoot a long shot on the 3 ball i can bank it or cut it thin the 9 ball is about 6 inches to the right and a little below it i elect to play the 3 9 combo to the right corner pocket i hang the 9 in the corner and play a 2 rail safe the 3 ball is froze directly behind the 7 ball on the rail joey is hooked cant see the three now when i shot i moved the 5 ball with my cue joey says it got in the path of the cue ball i said it didnt and he can leave it there or move it back he goes and gets evelyn and he tells her he thinks the 5 got in the path of the cue ball i tell her i dont think it did she asks joey where the balls were and he says hes not sure i showed evelyn where the balls were now she says theres a 6 inch rule if the cue ball comes within 6 inches its a foul i told her it was farther away than that my back is facing the bleachers and i told her to ask anyone in the bleachers she says shes not asking anyone and calls it a foul ball in hand for joey i said its my word against his he shoots the 3 9 wins game and match 9 7 without a referee or tournament director how can you call a foul call should have gone to the shooter and im up 8 6 with 2 breaks left not 1 person i talked to agreed with that lowlife move by team oklahoma i am so pissed off never been so f ing mad in my life im playing joey were in a soft bracket where joey or myself should get out to meet alex olinger joey plays alex today i am currently working and i lost about 500 there entry fees for both tournaments 120 for half my calcutta 300 for hotel 100 for gas 200 spent in shooters easily iwas playing good enough to possibly win the tournament im talking to players and fans about what happened and evelyn comes up and tells me to shut my mouth about the call or she will bar me from all midwest 9 ball events and she says she will bar me from the building also i forfieted my next match and i kept talking about how i was down right cheated i talked to joey he said he didnt even think he would have got the call i play these guys in a lot of tournaments and i win some and lose some so if team oklahoma evelyn and joey want to make it right send me my 1000 im out or you will never see me at any event you have anything to do with
sincerly
GARY LUTMAN


PS
JAMES DORAN PAY NICOLE KEENEY WORK IT OUT WITH HER
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I got a call from a friend of mine that was in the tournament, and he mentioned something to me about this thread. So I decided to read it.

I have had the exact same thing happen to me over and over, not once but lots of times, when there was referees -- and still lost the decision. I got madder than hell, but there was nothing I could do about it.

I explained to them what happened. Touching those balls can get pretty brutal when the other guy starts complaining. I have won more arguments when I got up off the table when I wasn't shooting and the other guy was.

It's a bad break. I enforce that rule a lot, especially when I'm gambling, and people try to say that the ball wasn't in the path. If it's anywhere near the path, I call it. Just don't touch the other balls.

A lot of people, for example, will go up over balls to shoot the cueball, and their cuestick lies on the object ball, and that's a foul. But it's not a foul according to the tournament director. That's one of the fouls that ain't called when those people go over the object ball, when it makes that shot so much easier than it is. It's a crock of sh*t, but it is what it is.

Sorry what happened to you, Gary. I heard the way you talked to Evelyn was a little bit rude. I heard you had a little bit to drink, which I have been there. :grin:

I know what you're talking about. Sometimes you can't hold it anymore, but I think there's an easier way to try to get your point across than to tell somebody you're screwing Joey Gray. You could have picked a little bit better way to express your bitterness.

I know I've gotten out of line lots of times when I've been drinking. I've gotten a couple bad calls. When I was playing Shannon Daulton at the SBE Pro/Am tournament, I got a horrible call by a TD that didn't know what jack diddly squat, and they give it Shannon. I yelled out to Allen that I got a bad call, and Allen told me I had to adhere to the TD, which I did ultimately.

In my lifetime playing pool tournaments, I have probably had anywhere from 75 to 100 decisions, and I believe I have been right in almost every decision that I argued about. And take a guess how many I won! Maybe two. So what does that tell you?! Life goes on.

Best of luck, Gary. I hope you can make it up with Evelyn and let bygones by bygones. Tomorrow is another day. :)
 
GoBilliards said:
I'm glad you feel this way cuz I'm calling you out!

Why do you have a 14year old with tripple d cups on your avitar?? LOL
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I wouldn't have had any more to add to this thread if I hadn't been called out several posts ago but here I am once again. :) I'm sure you are kidding but for the record she is Christina Model and she is certainly not anywhere near being underage.
 
GoBilliards said:
I'm glad you feel this way cuz I'm calling you out!

Why do you have a 14year old with tripple d cups on your avitar?? LOL
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And I'm calling you out!

I think she's at least 17 :eek:
:grin:

EDIT. Damned slow phone, too late on the draw. :p
 
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Keith McCready said:
I got a call from a friend of mine that was in the tournament, and he mentioned something to me about this thread. So I decided to read it.

I have had the exact same thing happen to me over and over, not once but lots of times, when there was referees -- and still lost the decision. I got madder than hell, but there was nothing I could do about it.

I explained to them what happened. Touching those balls can get pretty brutal when the other guy starts complaining. I have won more arguments when I got up off the table when I wasn't shooting and the other guy was.

It's a bad break. I enforce that rule a lot, especially when I'm gambling, and people try to say that the ball wasn't in the path. If it's anywhere near the path, I call it. Just don't touch the other balls.

A lot of people, for example, will go up over balls to shoot the cueball, and their cuestick lies on the object ball, and that's a foul. But it's not a foul according to the tournament director. That's one of the fouls that ain't called when those people go over the object ball, when it makes that shot so much easier than it is. It's a crock of sh*t, but it is what it is.

Sorry what happened to you, Gary. I heard the way you talked to Evelyn was a little bit rude. I heard you had a little bit to drink, which I have been there. :grin:

I know what you're talking about. Sometimes you can't hold it anymore, but I think there's an easier way to try to get your point across than to tell somebody you're screwing Joey Gray. You could have picked a little bit better way to express your bitterness.

I know I've gotten out of line lots of times when I've been drinking. I've gotten a couple bad calls. When I was playing Shannon Daulton at the SBE Pro/Am tournament, I got a horrible call by a TD that didn't know what jack diddly squat, and they give it Shannon. I yelled out to Allen that I got a bad call, and Allen told me I had to adhere to the TD, which I did ultimately.

In my lifetime playing pool tournaments, I have probably had anywhere from 75 to 100 decisions, and I believe I have been right in almost every decision that I argued about. And take a guess how many I won! Maybe two. So what does that tell you?! Life goes on.

Best of luck, Gary. I hope you can make it up with Evelyn and let bygones by bygones. Tomorrow is another day. :)
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Thanks for jumping in here, Keith. And thanks for adding your perspective.

Hope things are well with you folks. Please tell JAM we miss her here.
 
This thread is exactly the reason why we should be playing fouls on all balls, like the rest of the world plays pool! It has ALWAYS been that way in Straight Pool tournaments forever! Please don't tell me you need a ref on every table. It's much harder to enforce the rules, without a ref, playing cue ball fouls only. This thread is proof of that.
 
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jay helfert said:
This thread is exactly the reason why we should be playing fouls on all balls, like the rest of the world plays pool! It has ALWAYS been that way in Straight Pool tournaments forever! Please don't tell me you need a ref on every table. It's much harder to enforce the rules, without a ref, playing cue ball fouls only. This thread is proof of that.
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Best post on the thread.
 
Luxury said:
Yeah, the age of being "PC" is coming to a close. Thank God! If we just continue to react in the "everyone makes mistakes" mode then people will just continue to act like drunk maniacs.

The useful purpose that calling someone out that acts like this serves is to set a standard in the hopes that other pool players don't continue to mar this beautiful sport. Hope you understand where I'm coming from now.
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Wow, the first liberal ever to be against political correctness! Its easy to play the perfect person in internet fairyland! Must make you feel like a big person that can throw stones at anyone without any faults of your own! Tell us the secret to being a perfect person? Oh, do you play pool? Have any video we can see?
 
runthetable said:
So what happens when the shooter just denies hitting a ball on the table?

I like that unwitnessed calls go to the shooter. It gives the shooter a chance to show his character to others. If you foul and call it on yourself it speaks volumes. I've seen others and myself lose big swings gambling by calling a foul on myself that nobody ever saw. Like touching the CB with a practice stroke and barely moving it.

In this case the call goes to the shooter. And I never heard of a "6 inch" rule for the ball that may have interferred if it had not been moved.
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I don't recall Evelyn saying anything about any 6" rule, did you? If you have a dishonest player, then rules are no longer the problem. My contention is that it is far easier to play with all ball fouls, then with cue ball fouls only.
 
jay helfert said:
I don't recall Evelyn saying anything about any 6" rule, did you? If you have a dishonest player, then rules are no longer the problem. My contention is that it is far easier to play with all ball fouls, then with cue ball fouls only.
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I agree, but the player can still claim, he/she did not touch a ball. We all will be dead before this is fixed. :deadhorse:
 
DRW said:
I agree, but the player can still claim, he/she did not touch a ball. We all will be dead before this is fixed. :deadhorse:
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If you touch a ball by accident and it rolls 6", it is hard for a player to then lie and say it didn't accidentally move.
 
I agree there Mr Jay..........

jay helfert said:
This thread is exactly the reason why we should be playing fouls on all balls, like the rest of the world plays pool! It has ALWAYS been that way in Straight Pool tournaments forever! Please don't tell me you need a ref on every table. It's much harder to enforce the rules, without a ref, playing cue ball fouls only. This thread is proof of that.
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For the same reason we just call the hole and not all the kisses and rails when making a ball.

It's just cut and dried.

I was at a poolhall the other night and they were playing base of the ball as far as the ball being in the kitchen.

They got a flashlight out and looked under the ball to see if any of the base was actually touching the line. I don't know how this is definitive at all. The ball was clearly in the kitchen but just a few threads from the cloth were almost touching the object ball in question. I think if any part was touching the line they were going to call it out. Pretty strange I thought.

Plus I thought this was a little rediculous. But when in Rome you have to do what the Romans do.

I'm sure there is alot of controversy when they have a tournament there with alot of out of towners.

Can you imagine refs carrying around flashlights?
 
After reading this thread, I find it interesting that so many of our community still believe our reputation about character or behavior isn't that bad. That sponsors have nothing to fear. Maybe its time to just put a judge on every single match. And make it part of the greens fee. Every ball touched is a foul. Three balls touched loss of game etc. Pool has a long way to go to come back to being accepted in mainstream culture if this is how we continue to handle bad situations. :frown:
 
Keith McCready said:
I got a call from a friend of mine that was in the tournament, and he mentioned something to me about this thread. So I decided to read it.

I have had the exact same thing happen to me over and over, not once but lots of times, when there was referees -- and still lost the decision. I got madder than hell, but there was nothing I could do about it.

I explained to them what happened. Touching those balls can get pretty brutal when the other guy starts complaining. I have won more arguments when I got up off the table when I wasn't shooting and the other guy was.

It's a bad break. I enforce that rule a lot, especially when I'm gambling, and people try to say that the ball wasn't in the path. If it's anywhere near the path, I call it. Just don't touch the other balls.

A lot of people, for example, will go up over balls to shoot the cueball, and their cuestick lies on the object ball, and that's a foul. But it's not a foul according to the tournament director. That's one of the fouls that ain't called when those people go over the object ball, when it makes that shot so much easier than it is. It's a crock of sh*t, but it is what it is.

Sorry what happened to you, Gary. I heard the way you talked to Evelyn was a little bit rude. I heard you had a little bit to drink, which I have been there. :grin:

I know what you're talking about. Sometimes you can't hold it anymore, but I think there's an easier way to try to get your point across than to tell somebody you're screwing Joey Gray. You could have picked a little bit better way to express your bitterness.

I know I've gotten out of line lots of times when I've been drinking. I've gotten a couple bad calls. When I was playing Shannon Daulton at the SBE Pro/Am tournament, I got a horrible call by a TD that didn't know what jack diddly squat, and they give it Shannon. I yelled out to Allen that I got a bad call, and Allen told me I had to adhere to the TD, which I did ultimately.

In my lifetime playing pool tournaments, I have probably had anywhere from 75 to 100 decisions, and I believe I have been right in almost every decision that I argued about. And take a guess how many I won! Maybe two. So what does that tell you?! Life goes on.

Best of luck, Gary. I hope you can make it up with Evelyn and let bygones by bygones. Tomorrow is another day. :)
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Great post and from the heart. Thank you Keith.
 
Really does perfect grammer matter in this situation....don't think so.... I've known Gary since early 90's and he stands as tall as any of us and is one fine player and I respect him without doubt. I've been playing the game for 50 years and if there has not been a Ref called to the table to watch a hit or declare a foul has been committed...the ruling goes to the shooter at the table...it is never been declared by he said she said and it is damn shame a person is black-balled for speaking their mind. I lived a similar situation when the McDerrmot tour was run by John McCheasney in Lincoln,Neb in mid 90's....I was the newbie player and my opponent had been follower for some time and I admittedly committed a foul, but made the 9-ball hill hill in doing so...which the 9-ball spots and game goes on....John moved several balls in showing me my error and then allowed re-rack and opponent got to break and snapped the 9....game over. Bad beat...lesson learned, but McCheasney committed a bigger error than I and left me on the short end....to make a long story short....the director is not right because they're the director and Gary should not be black-balled for his infraction of player conduct.
 
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