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EDIT: Dear AZBilliards was admittedly a bad title for this post. As a resource, AZBilliards is amazing and I have nothing but good things to say. This post was meant to be directed to the pool community as a whole and not AZBilliards directly. My mistake

Thank you for ruining pool for me. Obviously this isn't meant for everyone in the community, but it is meant for a vast majority of you.

I started playing pool about 3 years ago. Joined an APA league and jumped in full force. It was fun. I met new people, I learned new things. I went out each week, had a couple beers and had some real fun.

But then, something weird happened. I found this site. It had a wealth of info...results, interviews...and then I found the forums. At first I was amazed...so many people discussing every single aspect of pool...from equipment to aiming to why pool isn't growing. I used to visit the site every day...trying to soak of info and tips and follow my favorite players.

I didn't know it then, but that was the downfall of pool for me. I started wanting to play better players...play on better equipment. At first it was awesome...but quickly things changed.

I started having "situations" with higher ranked players. They started telling me that I shouldn't be playing with them because I haven't "earned my time." Discouraging to say the least.

I kept reading the forums...reading the bashing of the league that I started in and still play in...the APA. I read so much that I, myself, started disliking the APA and all that they stand for. So I decided to leave it and play in the BCA...a local league here that was amongst the best ones in the area. I played...and I lost...a lot, but I didn't let that hold me back. I kept playing...I kept playing in higher ranked tournaments...I got slowly better.

The one thing I picked up from my time playing with the higher ranked players is the negativity. Nothing is ever right for them. They get mad cause lower ranked players get weight against them. They get mad cause lower ranked players pay lower entry fee's. They get mad because bars don't add money to their tournaments, or don't add enough money. In a word, entitlement.

I grew frustrated with the whole pool scene...started hating it. I didn't quit, but I didn't play very much at all. Then I realized that it all stopped being fun. So I went back to where pool was fun...and went back to playing in the APA and my friends...all of the sudden, I loved pool again.

There is a class system in pool. The APA is the lower class...the "99%" if you will. We are looked down upon because we play on inferior equipment with inferior rules for league operators who are in it for the money. Beer drinkers that play in bars with loud music and rowdy people. We play with handicaps because we aren't good enough for the "real" pool world. Meanwhile, the 1% are out there...playing on their diamond tables with their added money tournaments while they sip ice water and not support the rooms that add this money. It's entitlement at it's best.

"Pool players" feel like room and bar owners owe them the world. The nicest equipment with the nicest cloth. Massive amounts of added money and get rid of all the music and karaoke and people that make the room the money so they can play in quiet. Basically trying to get rid of players like me.

Please don't tell me or players like me that this isn't happening. I've experience this first hand here in Phoenix. I've been ridiculed for playing in the APA. I've been told by A players here in Phoenix that I shouldn't be playing them because I haven't earned my time like they have. Big time players like Scott Frost mocked me because they had to play me in a 9 ball tournament and made fun of me because "I had the gall to ask him to split quarters," for a tournament match.

Hell, I've even been turned away from a tournament because I'm not good enough. And when I do get to play, it's very uncomfortable. The higher rated players make me feel like it's a priviledge to play them. I shouldn't feel this way...but that's what you do.

In a nutshell, get over yourself. You can have your game...because that's all it is...a game. Or have you forgotten that? I will stick with the league that is ruining pool...even though it brings more and more people into it each year. I will stick with the inferior equipment and inferior rules and the loud music and beer drinking because I love where I play and want to support them as much as I can.

I want to go back to a place where the only complaining I hear about is the guys complaining that the wife barely let them come out to play tonight, not some entitled douche bags discussing the ins and outs of their $30 chalk or how this room sucks cause it has Valley's.

GFY...Yes I'm bitter, you ruined the game for me and a lot of others out there, but I'm going back to where it's fun...and will continue to teach my kids my horrible stroke and pool knowledge so they can have fun with this wonderful game. But I will never teach them to become a "pool player" because I don't really wish that on anyone anymore.

tl;dr - Pool used to be fun, I got serious like everyone here said I should and hated it. I'm going back to the APA.
 
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Thank you for ruining pool for me. Obviously this isn't meant for everyone in the community, but it is meant for a vast majority of you.

I started playing pool about 3 years ago. Joined an APA league and jumped in full force. It was fun. I met new people, I learned new things. I went out each week, had a couple beers and had some real fun.

But then, something weird happened. I found this site. It had a wealth of info...results, interviews...and then I found the forums. At first I was amazed...so many people discussing every single aspect of pool...from equipment to aiming to why pool isn't growing. I used to visit the site every day...trying to soak of info and tips and follow my favorite players.

I didn't know it then, but that was the downfall of pool for me. I started wanting to play better players...play on better equipment. At first it was awesome...but quickly things changed.

I started having "situations" with higher ranked players. They started telling me that I shouldn't be playing with them because I haven't "earned my time." Discouraging to say the least.

I kept reading the forums...reading the bashing of the league that I started in and still play in...the APA. I read so much that I, myself, started disliking the APA and all that they stand for. So I decided to leave it and play in the BCA...a local league here that was amongst the best ones in the area. I played...and I lost...a lot, but I didn't let that hold me back. I kept playing...I kept playing in higher ranked tournaments...I got slowly better.

The one thing I picked up from my time playing with the higher ranked players is the negativity. Nothing is ever right for them. They get mad cause lower ranked players get weight against them. They get mad cause lower ranked players pay lower entry fee's. They get mad because bars don't add money to their tournaments, or don't add enough money. In a word, entitlement.

I grew frustrated with the whole pool scene...started hating it. I didn't quit, but I didn't play very much at all. Then I realized that it all stopped being fun. So I went back to where pool was fun...and went back to playing in the APA and my friends...all of the sudden, I loved pool again.

There is a class system in pool. The APA is the lower class...the "99%" if you will. We are looked down upon because we play on inferior equipment with inferior rules for league operators who are in it for the money. Beer drinkers that play in bars with loud music and rowdy people. We play with handicaps because we aren't good enough for the "real" pool world. Meanwhile, the 1% are out there...playing on their diamond tables with their added money tournaments while they sip ice water and not support the rooms that add this money. It's entitlement at it's best.

"Pool players" feel like room and bar owners owe them the world. The nicest equipment with the nicest cloth. Massive amounts of added money and get rid of all the music and karaoke and people that make the room the money so they can play in quiet. Basically trying to get rid of players like me.

Please don't tell me or players like me that this isn't happening. I've experience this first hand here in Phoenix. I've been ridiculed for playing in the APA. I've been told by A players here in Phoenix that I shouldn't be playing them because I haven't earned my time like they have. Big time players like Scott Frost mocked me because they had to play me in a 9 ball tournament and made fun of me because "I had the gall to ask him to split quarters," for a tournament match.

Hell, I've even been turned away from a tournament because I'm not good enough. And when I do get to play, it's very uncomfortable. The higher rated players make me feel like it's a priviledge to play them. I shouldn't feel this way...but that's what you do.

In a nutshell, get over yourself. You can have your game...because that's all it is...a game. Or have you forgotten that? I will stick with the league that is ruining pool...even though it brings more and more people into it each year. I will stick with the inferior equipment and inferior rules and the loud music and beer drinking because I love where I play and want to support them as much as I can.

I want to go back to a place where the only complaining I hear about is the guys complaining that the wife barely let them come out to play tonight, not some entitled douche bags discussing the ins and outs of their $30 chalk or how this room sucks cause it has Valley's.

GFY...Yes I'm bitter, you ruined the game for me and a lot of others out there, but I'm going back to where it's fun...and will continue to teach my kids my horrible stroke and pool knowledge so they can have fun with this wonderful game. But I will never teach them to become a "pool player" because I don't really wish that on anyone anymore.

tl;dr - Pool used to be fun, I got serious like everyone here said I should and hated it. I'm going back to the APA.

I didn't read it, but I KNOW it's going to be good.
 
Best thing about pool abie10 is that you can enjoy it at whatever level you want....even if it's just in your home. That's all I do, play at home, learn and enjoy the game for what it is less the social part.

Pool, like other games, can bring out the best and worst in people.

If you truly love the game, all the stuff going on in the leagues and such should remain just static in the background. It's a dog eat dog world out there if you choose that playground to play on.

I stay home, play the ghost, and rejoice when I win.:smile:

The ghost never whines and is powerless unless I miss.
 
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Whatever gets you thru the night.

FWIW, Ive had an opposite experience.


Although all the times Ive had the opportunity to play with the 'serious pool people' have been in non tourney situations, they have unfailingly been very generous and a pleasure to be with.
 
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Whatever gets you thru the night.

FWIW, Ive had an opposite experience.


Although all the times Ive has the opportunity to play with the 'serious pool people' have been in non tourney situations, they have unfailingly been very generous and a pleasure to be with.

You prolly don't play pool in the phoenix area lol.
 
To be honest its just like any other group. Let's say you drive a honda. You go to a race track and try to race with a group of Ferraris. The drivers all laugh at you and you feel bad. So you go back home to your hood full of Acuras and other Hondas where they make you feel better.


The problem with your whole theory is you may have actually not put in the hard work and time to get to the point these players who are picking on you are at. You may actually suck a lot but I don't know you so I can't make that determination. There is so much blood, sweat, and tears that goes into getting good at this game. When you dedicate that much time to anything it is hard to not look down on those who think that it's just a game. That would be like me coming up to you and saying your children are ugly- but they are just kids so who cares.

If I were one of the top players in these tournaments I would welcome you with open arms. These guys sound pretty stupid to me as you sound like easy money.

Wanna gamble sometime?
 
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To be honest its just like any other group. Let's say you drive a honda. You go to a race track and try to race with a group of Ferraris. The drivers all laugh at you and you feel bad. So you go back home to your hood full of Acuras and other Hondas where they make you feel better.


The problem with your whole theory is you may have actually not put in the hard work and time to get to the point these players who are picking on you are at. You may actually suck a lot but I don't know you so I can't make that determination.

If I were one of the top players in these tournaments I would welcome you with open arms. These guys sound pretty stupid to me as you sound like easy money.

Wanna gamble sometime?

I agree...it is like that...I'm not great...but I'm not the worst player.

I'm not against trying to get better...not in the slightest...I practice, take lessons, read books, all that. It's the attitudes and the holier than though ego's that bug me. Everyone started somewhere...forgetting where you came from will kill anything...even pool
 
We all play pool for different reasons; so you ran into the upperclassmen and found out that a lot of them are @$$___s, yes that is true of a lot of things. I have met both kinds in both settings; if you enjoy the APA play in it, I do not happen to enjoy playing in the APA so I don't (anymore).

There are many that have fun just going out, throwing down a few beers and shooting. there are those that enjoy hard long hours of practice and getting as good as they can be, and there is everything in between. Go and have fun but if you begrudge people that take pool more seriously than that you become a hypocrite.
 
I find your post to be Sofa King accurate.

I wish you the best in making pool fun again. If you find yourself in another region of the country, try again and see if you're not just surrounded by assholes.
 
Thank you for ruining pool for me. Obviously this isn't meant for everyone in the community, but it is meant for a vast majority of you.

I started playing pool about 3 years ago. Joined an APA league and jumped in full force. It was fun. I met new people, I learned new things. I went out each week, had a couple beers and had some real fun.

But then, something weird happened. I found this site. It had a wealth of info...results, interviews...and then I found the forums. At first I was amazed...so many people discussing every single aspect of pool...from equipment to aiming to why pool isn't growing. I used to visit the site every day...trying to soak of info and tips and follow my favorite players.

I didn't know it then, but that was the downfall of pool for me. I started wanting to play better players...play on better equipment. At first it was awesome...but quickly things changed.

I started having "situations" with higher ranked players. They started telling me that I shouldn't be playing with them because I haven't "earned my time." Discouraging to say the least.

I kept reading the forums...reading the bashing of the league that I started in and still play in...the APA. I read so much that I, myself, started disliking the APA and all that they stand for. So I decided to leave it and play in the BCA...a local league here that was amongst the best ones in the area. I played...and I lost...a lot, but I didn't let that hold me back. I kept playing...I kept playing in higher ranked tournaments...I got slowly better.

The one thing I picked up from my time playing with the higher ranked players is the negativity. Nothing is ever right for them. They get mad cause lower ranked players get weight against them. They get mad cause lower ranked players pay lower entry fee's. They get mad because bars don't add money to their tournaments, or don't add enough money. In a word, entitlement.

I grew frustrated with the whole pool scene...started hating it. I didn't quit, but I didn't play very much at all. Then I realized that it all stopped being fun. So I went back to where pool was fun...and went back to playing in the APA and my friends...all of the sudden, I loved pool again.

There is a class system in pool. The APA is the lower class...the "99%" if you will. We are looked down upon because we play on inferior equipment with inferior rules for league operators who are in it for the money. Beer drinkers that play in bars with loud music and rowdy people. We play with handicaps because we aren't good enough for the "real" pool world. Meanwhile, the 1% are out there...playing on their diamond tables with their added money tournaments while they sip ice water and not support the rooms that add this money. It's entitlement at it's best.

"Pool players" feel like room and bar owners owe them the world. The nicest equipment with the nicest cloth. Massive amounts of added money and get rid of all the music and karaoke and people that make the room the money so they can play in quiet. Basically trying to get rid of players like me.

Please don't tell me or players like me that this isn't happening. I've experience this first hand here in Phoenix. I've been ridiculed for playing in the APA. I've been told by A players here in Phoenix that I shouldn't be playing them because I haven't earned my time like they have. Big time players like Scott Frost mocked me because they had to play me in a 9 ball tournament and made fun of me because "I had the gall to ask him to split quarters," for a tournament match.

Hell, I've even been turned away from a tournament because I'm not good enough. And when I do get to play, it's very uncomfortable. The higher rated players make me feel like it's a priviledge to play them. I shouldn't feel this way...but that's what you do.

In a nutshell, get over yourself. You can have your game...because that's all it is...a game. Or have you forgotten that? I will stick with the league that is ruining pool...even though it brings more and more people into it each year. I will stick with the inferior equipment and inferior rules and the loud music and beer drinking because I love where I play and want to support them as much as I can.

I want to go back to a place where the only complaining I hear about is the guys complaining that the wife barely let them come out to play tonight, not some entitled douche bags discussing the ins and outs of their $30 chalk or how this room sucks cause it has Valley's.

GFY...Yes I'm bitter, you ruined the game for me and a lot of others out there, but I'm going back to where it's fun...and will continue to teach my kids my horrible stroke and pool knowledge so they can have fun with this wonderful game. But I will never teach them to become a "pool player" because I don't really wish that on anyone anymore.

tl;dr - Pool used to be fun, I got serious like everyone here said I should and hated it. I'm going back to the APA.

Don't blame AZ for YOUR decisions in life. I get what you are saying about taking the joy out of the game by becoming serious, but in the end you did it to yourself. No one forced you to come to AZ, read everything and let other people make up your mind for you.

Take some accountability for yourself.
 
To be honest its just like any other group. Let's say you drive a honda. You go to a race track and try to race with a group of Ferraris. The drivers all laugh at you and you feel bad. So you go back home to your hood full of Acuras and other Hondas where they make you feel better.


The problem with your whole theory is you may have actually not put in the hard work and time to get to the point these players who are picking on you are at. You may actually suck a lot but I don't know you so I can't make that determination. There is so much blood, sweat, and tears that goes into getting good at this game. When you dedicate that much time to anything it is hard to not look down on those who think that it's just a game. That would be like me coming up to you and saying your children are ugly- but they are just kids so who cares.

If I were one of the top players in these tournaments I would welcome you with open arms. These guys sound pretty stupid to me as you sound like easy money.

Wanna gamble sometime?

You're a dick. Your missed the entire point of the original post.

Josh
 
Don't blame AZ for YOUR decisions in life. I get what you are saying about taking the joy out of the game by becoming serious, but in the end you did it to yourself. No one forced you to come to AZ, read everything and let other people make up your mind for you.

Take some accountability for yourself.

Tap Tap Tap
 
Don't blame AZ for YOUR decisions in life. I get what you are saying about taking the joy out of the game by becoming serious, but in the end you did it to yourself. No one forced you to come to AZ, read everything and let other people make up your mind for you.

Take some accountability for yourself.

This post was addressed to AZ because I'm here...I've had the same discussions with players everywhere...it's meant to be a post to all pool players in general.

i know not everyone falls into this generalization of higher rated players that I have made...but I'm grouping all of them in as one DB group because they do the same to us "lower rated players" as well
 
Sounds just like a buddy of mine. A Mets fan, hating on my Yankees. Well written though, nice read. Funny thing is, I have seen much more whining and complaining at APA matches than money tournaments. Maybe its just me, but I'd rather play a guy who fusses over equipment and the size of the pot. Beats playing a sandbagger.
 
Thank you for ruining pool for me.

Pool used to be fun, I got serious like everyone here said I should and hated it. I'm going back to the APA.[/B]

I started to get burnt out a few(?) years ago and didn't look forward to playing much.. then I realized that I was going for the wrong reasons. Once I decided that I was going because I enjoyed it, it all turned around and I even played better for it.

Best thing about pool abie10 is that you can enjoy it at whatever level you want.

Exactly.
 
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