Diameter of shaft

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I got great responses from my weight of cue thread, so now what about the diameter of the shaft. I shoot with a Cognoscenti and tried an untouched shaft which is 13.2mm. I have to say it had great accuracy and I never miss cued but could not get alot of action from it. I shoot with an 11mm and can get alot of action out of it. Is this again a personal preference or is there a difference between a thick shaft compared to a skinny one. Thanks.
 
Shaft Diameter

Pool is one instance where having a thin shaft is preferred.:groucho:

I have shot with an 11mm all my life and find a much more accurate sight line to the OB than with a 13mm. The disadvantage to a narrower tip is the loss of action via extreme English. Since you shoot with an 11, you know that you get just over 2 tips worth of English. I find that plenty for over 90 % of shooting situations.

So for me; (and perhaps yourself), I find the greater accuracy of an 11mm outweighs the minimal loss of action.

Great question !
 
oldgame said:
I got great responses from my weight of cue thread, so now what about the diameter of the shaft. I shoot with a Cognoscenti and tried an untouched shaft which is 13.2mm. I have to say it had great accuracy and I never miss cued but could not get alot of action from it. I shoot with an 11mm and can get alot of action out of it. Is this again a personal preference or is there a difference between a thick shaft compared to a skinny one. Thanks.
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You can get all the action anyone else gets using your shaft. Try a new tip and practice you stroke.

Kim
 
whammo57 said:
You can get all the action anyone else gets using your shaft. Try a new tip and practice you stroke.

Kim
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This is correct - no shaft produces more spin or speed than another.

The only practical difference between shafts is squirt. One minor problem with lower-squirt shafts is that they may be slightly less forgiving of minor cueing errors - if you accidentally hit a little offcenter the shaft's squirt won't entirely compensate.

I use a very thin shaft (9mm or so) for two reasons:
- It produces less squirt (because weight near the tip is reduced).
- I can see where I'm hitting the CB better.

pj
chgo
 
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When comparing my 12.5mm Mezz WD to my 12.8mm Mezz Alpha, I find the WD easier to draw and spin, but the Alpha more forgiving.

Maybe it's the shaft diameter or not, but I am not the only one who feels this way about these 2 shafts.

What about the Predator Z and 314 ?
 
ronscuba said:
What about the Predator Z and 314 ?
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I have a 314-1 and a Z2. I can draw back up table 7 diamonds and then back down table 5 diamonds with either shaft. The Z2 might (might) go one more diamond than the 314-1 but the overall CB spin is that close.
 
MitchAlsup said:
I have a 314-1 and a Z2. I can draw back up table 7 diamonds and then back down table 5 diamonds with either shaft. The Z2 might (might) go one more diamond than the 314-1 but the overall CB spin is that close.
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What about the forgiveness ? I thought I saw a general consensus of the 314 being the more forgiving shaft. Maybe due to the diameter or taper or something else ? Maybe the thinner diameter makes people use more english unintentionally ?
 
As with all things in this world, you can't get something for nothing. There are always trade-offs.
Bigger cue shafts are less likely to err, on centerball hits, because more of the tip stays closer to center, for a much longer (relatively speaking) period of time. Conversely, the smaller shaft with smaller tip is more likely to err, on centerball hits, because of it's inherrent propensity to wander off center during the course of the stroke. This phenomenon can be exasab..., exaserb..., increased, when hitting the cue ball with force.
Interestingly, one would think that smaller diameter shafts would be less expensive, because there is less wood in the shaft. Such is not the case and should be reported to the authorities.
I think the next point of discussion might include butts. Flat, or round? you decide. :smile:
 
Could someone please tell me where you can find shafts under 12mm? Seems like everywhere i look online the new shafts are 12mm+ the meucci ultimate weapon is 11 and a quarter but its an LD shaft and im not really wanting an LD shaft.
 
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Tramp Steamer said:
As with all things in this world, you can't get something for nothing. There are always trade-offs.
Bigger cue shafts are less likely to err, on centerball hits, because more of the tip stays closer to center, for a much longer (relatively speaking) period of time. Conversely, the smaller shaft with smaller tip is more likely to err, on centerball hits, because of it's inherrent propensity to wander off center during the course of the stroke. This phenomenon can be exasab..., exaserb..., increased, when hitting the cue ball with force.
Interestingly, one would think that smaller diameter shafts would be less expensive, because there is less wood in the shaft. Such is not the case and should be reported to the authorities.
I think the next point of discussion might include butts. Flat, or round? you decide. :smile:
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All shaft dowels start off at 1 in dia the joint is about 0.850 on most cues

the smaller the shaft the more work .:eek:

smaller shaft should cost more. :rolleyes:


thus proving you have been under charge all this time.:killingme:


MMike
 
mortuarymike-nv said:
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All shaft dowels start off at 1 in dia the joint is about 0.850 on most cues

the smaller the shaft the more work .:eek:

smaller shaft should cost more. :rolleyes:


Correct me if I'm wrong, MM, but I thought all shaft dowels started out as tree limbs.
Nonetheless, your point is well taken, and I'll pass it on down to the higher-ups. :smile:
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ronscuba said:
What about the forgiveness ? I thought I saw a general consensus of the 314 being the more forgiving shaft. Maybe due to the diameter or taper or something else ? Maybe the thinner diameter makes people use more english unintentionally ?
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I agree that the 314 is more forgiving (at least in 314-1 format). It took my game a long time to really get a grip on the Z2. In the middle of matches when the pressure starts to boil, I would just "lose it" and start missing all kinds of stuff. It took me a full 3 months of play to overcome whatever it was.

Shaft diameter? Don't know, where I bridge my cue, the 314-1 and the Z2 are essentially the same diameter.
Taper? Probably has something to do with the 314-1's forgiveness.
Tip size? Might have something to do with it, but I really don't know.
Tip? No I changed the Z2 to the same tip I use on th 314-1 the third day I had the cue.
Balance? Maybe; the Z2 is a bit lighter at the nose.
 
BigDaddyInc....Any cuemaker can turn down a shaft to your specs. Almost all production cues come with 13mm standard, with the exception of LD shafts, which run 13, 12.5, and 11.75 generally.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

BigDaddyInc. said:
Could someone please tell me where you can find shafts under 12mm? Seems like everywhere i look online the new shafts are 12mm+ the meucci ultimate weapon is 11 and a quarter but its an LD shaft and im not really wanting an LD shaft.
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Patrick Johnson said:
This is correct - no shaft produces more spin or speed than another.

The only practical difference between shafts is squirt. One minor problem with lower-squirt shafts is that they may be slightly less forgiving of minor cueing errors - if you accidentally hit a little offcenter the shaft's squirt won't entirely compensate.

I use a very thin shaft (9mm or so) for two reasons:
- It produces less squirt (because weight near the tip is reduced).
- I can see where I'm hitting the CB better.

pj
chgo
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9mm? Are you sure? What shaft is that?
 
evanandpeaches said:
I couldnt play with anything less than 13mm, that just proves everyone is different. Find what you like and stick with it, dont let anyone talk you out of what feels comfortable to you.
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I am the same as evanandpeaches. All of my shafts (except a 314-2) are 13 mm or over. At 6", several shafts get much thicker than that. I can put plenty of spin on the cue ball with little effort. I prefer hard tips to soft tips. But that is just my taste.

Go with what works for you. IMO the quality of your stroke is most important.

Greg
 
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Tramp Steamer said:
mortuarymike-nv said:
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All shaft dowels start off at 1 in dia the joint is about 0.850 on most cues

the smaller the shaft the more work .:eek:

smaller shaft should cost more. :rolleyes:


Correct me if I'm wrong, MM, but I thought all shaft dowels started out as tree limbs.
Nonetheless, your point is well taken, and I'll pass it on down to the higher-ups. :smile:
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tramp steamer
its ok 0.125 is not much to talk about .but if its that important then it would at least be 1 or 2 bucks .
LOL
I would like to see the cue makers face when you suggest that you should get a break because you want a small shaft.

If all else fails we could just shoot pool And I will buy the first round.:thumbup:
MMike
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