ABP/US Open - So what is the next move??

JAM said:
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Well, after all, it is the "U.S." Open, right? :wink:

I'd venture to guess that the European governing body of professional pool wouldn't extend a helping hand to an American player the way the BCA helps foreign players. It's a joke!
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I am gonna restrict my comments to the ABP/ US Open, a/c is off in our building and I don't wanna overheat!

I think Barry needs to say: Any MFs that wants to use my tournament's output as the basis for ,or contributory to, any points system or any other non-Barry-related item has gots to pay.

And there is a special discount for multi-year agreements.
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JAM said:
Well, if the BCA ever wanted to do something to help American pool, the move would be this: Anybody that affiliates themselves with the ABP will be banned from BCA ranking points.

Fight fire with fire, dag nab it! :mad:
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Tap tap tap. They have no problem with ruining an event.. nuff said.
 
RedEyeJedi said:
"A- Is the ABP attempting to prevent attendance by foreign participants?"

Yes, I'm sure that's exactly what they're doing. :rolleyes:
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Mr. RedEyeJedi "from Orlando, Florida" (home of Charlie Williams), what the ABP is attempting to do is strong-arm American pool by using pool promoters' events that the ABP doesn't spend one penny on. That's what they're doing, and it's not fair that they can use somebody else's work product and claim it as if they have something to do with it.

In the real world of business, they'd be sued if they tried such a thing.
 
Mr. RedEyeJedi "from Orlando, Florida" (home of Charlie Williams)..
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I'm sorry, I stopped reading at that point. I live in Orlando, home of Mickey Mouse, too. I'm also in his pocket. :cool:
 
Black-Balled said:
Can you blame the ABP for wanting some help?

60% of the past decade's winners are not Americans:
Past Champions Men's Division Year/ Winner
2011 Darren Appleton (2)
2010 Darren Appleton
2009 Mika Immonen (2)
2008 Mika Immonen
2007 Shane Van Boening
2006 John Schmidt
2005 Alex Pagulayan
2004 Gabe Owen
2003 Jeremy Jones
2002 Ralf Souquet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Open_9-Ball_Championships
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If you are saying make it only US players then that is what is suppose to be called and no none US joins, but it is Open to all and i expect all to show up otherwise they are going to loose my 10 or $20 for the stream big deal but i expect others have same feeling. I want to see all big guns battle it out.

Behrman, ABP, BCA to meet immediately and sort things out. I hate it when big boys argue, with no regard to the spectators.
 
efirkey said:
Can you blame the american pro players for trying to start an organization that has their best interests in mind? Correct me if I am wrong but I get the impression that the BCA doesn't help out the american pro players.

Maybe the BCA should represent the amateur players and the ABP represent the Pros. I'm sure it is a lot more complicated than that though.
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Question:
"Can you blame the American pro players for trying to start an organization that has their best interests in mind"?
Answer: Absolutely not!

Question:
Is the ABP that organization?
Answer: Absolutely not

Question:
Does CW's ,use the ABP, and the pro players as his personal pawns
for his own personal power trip, while making them (the pro players)
look worse by being associated with him.
Answer: Absolutely

Question:
How long will the pro players associated with the ABP put up with this?
Answer: It's been to long already, but who knows!

CW will back down, and just let the ABP players play, for he doesn't
want to look not in control, when they play anyway.
 
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Black-Balled said:
I am gonna restrict my comments to the ABP/ US Open, a/c is off in our building and I don't wanna overheat!

I think Barry needs to say: Any MFs that wants to use my tournament's output as the basis for or contributory points system, or any other non-Barry-related item has gots to pay.

And there is a special discount for multi-year agreements.
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You know, I think you're on to something. That's a *GREAT* idea.

The U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship entry fee should be $500 to all non-ABP members, $2,500 to all ABP members, and $5,000 to all "Dragon Players."

Problem solved! :)
 
JAM said:
You know, I think you're on to something. That's a *GREAT* idea.

The U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship entry fee should be $500 to all non-ABP members, $2,500 to all ABP members, and $5,000 to all "Dragon Players."

Problem solved! :)
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I was kinda thinking more along the lines of licensing.

But perhaps a business case could be made for 'additional admistrative effort' the ABP member's participation requires.
 
naji said:
If you are saying make it only US players then that is what is suppose to be called and no none US joins, but it is Open to all and i expect all to show up otherwise they are going to loose my 10 or $20 for the stream big deal but i expect others have same feeling. I want to see all big guns battle it out.

Behrman, ABP, BCA to meet immediately and sort things out. I hate it when big boys argue, with no regard to the spectators.
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I cetainly do not feel the Open shold be anything but OPEN. Pay your $ and flip the coin.

I am saying that it appears to be a cowardly move by the ABP to impose conflict did did not exisit before, knowing it will lower the quality of play significantly:

By Barry Behrman - 2012-10-05
the press release this morning from the ABP has put us in a very difficult position that unfortunately endangers the future of the U.S. Open 9-Ball Championships. Many of the players from the 25 or more countries that attend the U.S. Open are dependent upon WPA sanctioning of our event in order to acquire the funds required to travel to the United States. If we lose the WPA sanctioning we would lose the ability to feature these great international players. I have been informed that the WPA will only accept co-sanctioning from the home federation of the country in which an event is held. The WPA does not accept co-sanctions. As accepting a sanction from the ABP would force the WPA to pull their sanction of the U.S. Open
 
Black-Balled said:
I cetainly do not feel the Open shold be anything but OPEN. Pay your $ and flip the coin.

I am saying that it appears to be a cowardly move by the ABP to impose conflict did did not exisit before, knowing it will lower the quality of play significantly:

By Barry Behrman - 2012-10-05
the press release this morning from the ABP has put us in a very difficult position that unfortunately endangers the future of the U.S. Open 9-Ball Championships. Many of the players from the 25 or more countries that attend the U.S. Open are dependent upon WPA sanctioning of our event in order to acquire the funds required to travel to the United States. If we lose the WPA sanctioning we would lose the ability to feature these great international players. I have been informed that the WPA will only accept co-sanctioning from the home federation of the country in which an event is held. The WPA does not accept co-sanctions. As accepting a sanction from the ABP would force the WPA to pull their sanction of the U.S. Open
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It's a chicken-sh*t move to pull something like this several weeks before the event, which begins October 21st.

If Barry Behrman wanted to do the right thing, he should ban all ABP members and go with the flow.

It's sickening that the Behrmans bend over backwards to kowtow to these players, giving them byes if they arrive a day or two late. He goes out of his way each year to put on this event and ends up getting kicked in the butt. I feel bad for Barry.

Throw all the names in a hat, pick 'em, and let the games begin.

Personally, I don't get why sanctioning is so damn important. Pool ain't ever going to the Olympics.
 
JAM said:
Personally, I don't get why sanctioning is so damn important.
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Because it would give them some kind of "legitimacy" and encourage them to pull the same stunts in the future, setting a precedent for other tournaments to be pushed around by people that are so kindly gracing them with their presence.

Heck, Barry already showed them that they can pull his strings.. of course they're going to keep at it.

If the ABP is so awesome, why don't they put on their own tournament? :rolleyes:
 
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Banks said:
Because it would give them some kind of "legitimacy" and encourage them to pull the same stunts in the future, setting a precedent for other tournaments to be pushed around by people that are so kindly gracing them with their presence.

If the ABP is so awesome, why don't they put on their own tournament? :rolleyes:
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If that's the case, then I think Barry needs to grow some gonads and tell the ABP that every ABP member will be prohibited from playing this year in the 2012 U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship. Why should he suffer because of them wanting to flex their ABP muscle?

Barry, if you're reading this, be a dragon slayer and do the right thing. Stand up for yourself. You're the one in the driver's seat, not them. They're freeloaders.
 
The sanctioning matters pretty much everywhere but the good old USA... In many countries players are subsidized by their governments because the IOC has recognized Cuesports...

While we may not see pool in the Olympics anytime soon there are people actively trying to make it happen and not just dismissing the notion as "never gonna happen".....
 
The Renfro said:
The sanctioning matters pretty much everywhere but the good old USA... In many countries players are subsidized by their governments because the IOC has recognized Cuesports...

While we may not see pool in the Olympics anytime soon there are people actively trying to make it happen and not just dismissing the notion as "never gonna happen".....
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Pool in the Olympics ain't gonna happen. The next time it's up for consideration is, I think, 2032.
 
2032... Man I'm gonna look odd out there with my cane amongst all those young whipper snapper Olympians :grin:

You may be correct JAM but that doesn't change the fact that in other countries the players get assistance just from the IOC recognition...

Embracing the concept could go a very very long way to removing the stigmata on the game in the USA.....
 
The Renfro said:
2032... Man I'm gonna look odd out there with my cane amongst all those young whipper snapper Olympians :grin:

You may be correct JAM but that doesn't change the fact that in other countries the players get assistance just from the IOC recognition...

Embracing the concept could go a very very long way to removing the stigmata on the game in the USA.....
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Check out the website that is responsible for pool getting in the Olympics. Look at how wonderful this website is to navigate, and then click on the button located on the left-hand side that says "News" ---> HERE

If I was on the Olympic Committee for Considering new entrants into the upcoming games, I'd take one look at that website and quickly discount it. That website is awful.:embarrassed2:
 
The Renfro said:
2032... Man I'm gonna look odd out there with my cane amongst all those young whipper snapper Olympians :grin:

You may be correct JAM but that doesn't change the fact that in other countries the players get assistance just from the IOC recognition...

Embracing the concept could go a very very long way to removing the stigmata on the game in the USA.....
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"...in other countries the players get assistance just from the IOC recognition..."
What does that even mean?
 
JAM said:
If that's the case, then I think Barry needs to grow some gonads and tell the ABP that every ABP member will be prohibited from playing this year in the 2012 U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship. Why should he suffer because of them wanting to flex their ABP muscle?

Barry, if you're reading this, be a dragon slayer and do the right thing. Stand up for yourself. You're the one in the driver's seat, not them. They're freeloaders.
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I agree...this is the 2nd year in a row that the ABP has made demands at the last moment.

Not acceptable and incredibly disruptive to business operations.

It ain't the ABP that is at theend of the rope...yet.
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