ABP/US Open - So what is the next move??

Everyone knows that if Barry doesn't bend over, that the ranks of the ABP will be lining up at the door simply because most American pool players are broke.

And if they are broke or they are not, they ALL consider it "THEIR" money to be won, and they don't want anyone else to win it if they can't.

Barry should just go ahead, and have his tournament.

Believe me, those ABP pros will be trying to sneak in left and right.
At that point, Barry should charge them double.

I have no problem whatsoever watching foreign players play championship pool. BRING IT!
CW and the ABP pros who are legitimately involved, can go play in traffic for all i care.

Barry should grown a spine and take a lesson from Mike Zuglan.

Mike runs his turning stones, and anyone who doesn't like the way he runs things, CAN STUFF IT!!!!!!!! Here's your money back crybaby-sissy-pool-player-that-whines-about-everything. The exit door is to your left. Since you don't want this money, i'll gonna take a picture of the winner with the trophy and check, and the cash, and mail it to you for good measure.

Zuglan has nuts the size of grapefruits.
Barry's on the other hand...
 
Wow what a mess, i just read this thread and there are some facts, half truths, and lies(or misunderstandings). Reasons that make no sense, or lots of sense. Depending on how one looks at it.

I just wish we could all just get along and play pool.


I cant comment more than that, i dot want to piss anyone off. I just do my best to get along and have fun, i think if others would do that and concentrate on the center of the CB and their stroke pool would do much better.

kindest regards

eric:)
 
SUPERSTAR said:
Barry's on the other hand...
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Barry could like it rough like this. He had a taste a year or so back and wants so more from the sound of it.

Or he just wants to play the naive innocent type waiting to be rescued like last time with the BCA bailing him out.

In all fairness he got himself into the mess playing ball with the ABP. Let's see who fixes his mess this time.
 
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Unbelievable, that someone could think this is Barry's fault.
Nice try but not this time, are you related to CW? LOL
 
Fatboy said:
Wow what a mess, i just read this thread and there are some facts, half truths, and lies(or misunderstandings). Reasons that make no sense, or lots of sense. Depending on how one looks at it.

I just wish we could all just get along and play pool.


I cant comment more than that, i dot want to piss anyone off. I just do my best to get along and have fun, i think if others would do that and concentrate on the center of the CB and their stroke pool would do much better.

kindest regards

eric:)
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Eric, I know you want to stay out of it. But ya gotta know, most of us really, really appreciate JA here. And he comes off looking really bad when this ABP crap starts getting flung around.

Can you PLEASE try to get that through to him?

No reply necessary. I realize you don't wanna take any public position on this, being so close to the particulars involved.
 
SUPERSTAR said:
Everyone knows that if Barry doesn't bend over, that the ranks of the ABP will be lining up at the door simply because most American pool players are broke.

And if they are broke or they are not, they ALL consider it "THEIR" money to be won, and they don't want anyone else to win it if they can't.

Barry should just go ahead, and have his tournament.

Believe me, those ABP pros will be trying to sneak in left and right.
At that point, Barry should charge them double.

I have no problem whatsoever watching foreign players play championship pool. BRING IT!
CW and the ABP pros who are legitimately involved, can go play in traffic for all i care.

Barry should grown a spine and take a lesson from Mike Zuglan.

Mike runs his turning stones, and anyone who doesn't like the way he runs things, CAN STUFF IT!!!!!!!! Here's your money back crybaby-sissy-pool-player-that-whines-about-everything. The exit door is to your left. Since you don't want this money, i'll gonna take a picture of the winner with the trophy and check, and the cash, and mail it to you for good measure.

Zuglan has nuts the size of grapefruits.
Barry's on the other hand...
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Well said, and a resounding TAP, TAP, TAP!
 
pro9dg said:
The ABP in Chicago issued a statement that their Ranking List would be used to determine the US Open seedings.
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Not sure why they are equating pool to tennis, tennis has skill, and endurance requirements no luck and single elemination, of which we have seen the top players always advance such as Rafa and roger, The Williams..etc, it make sense to seed them, also for the millions of dollars riding on TV coverage.

In pool, top champions vary all the time, and newbie could advance, and it is double elimination and lots of luck so top guns have another chance. Plus as far as TV coverage i do not care if it final round or 1st round if Dennis O plays Darren A i will watch regardless.

If it was to me, i will give a chance to those who never advanced to second round all these years, and not so good players play each other, and top seeds play each others, take top 20 or 30 from each group and mix them in new bracket all double elimination.
 
After reading the thread, and it's very sad to do so:(, my contribution is this;
It's an open tournament and the global interests have to be considered, and not just of few american's .
These bouts with ABP and/or CW (in disguise) has to stop...they aren't doing the game any good.
The game is what's important and the competition that it brings, is meant to be savoured, pure and natural, not diluted or FIXED!
It's okay to think outside the box :eek: and look to other sports for help (ie; tennis, golf). Why to re-invent the wheel if it already exists...just use it.:idea:
Sports are worldwide, the game is worldwide, the tournament scene are worldwide, and the thinking HAS TO BE worldwide!
The BIG picture has to be kept in the foreground and not relegated to the back of the bus...due diligence in every undertaking.
Good Luck,
STAY THE COURSE Barry!!:)
 
amateur hour....

You know, the ABP guys really need to understand how unprofessional this all looks. A few weeks before the event......come on really? Barry should tell them all to pound sand, at least this one year, and tell them if they want to discuss things for next year, it needs to be well in advance of the event. In fact, he could even begin discussions the week following the event.

It's shameful how this appears to be being handled. You know the old saying.......something about how you shouldn't $hit where you eat.

I absolutely hate to see this too, because there's a bunch of guys in the ABP that I admire and respect individually. Collectively, this isn't working though. I think it's safe to say that most if not all of us (fans) truly want to see pro pool rise in its stature and grow into a more well-respected aura again, but these kind of juvenile shenanigans aren't the right vehicle to get it there imo.
 
WPA sanctioning of our event in order to acquire the funds required to travel to the United States. Quote from BB letter

what does this really mean?
 
naji said:
WPA sanctioning of our event in order to acquire the funds required to travel to the United States. Quote from BB letter

what does this really mean?
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In other words, the foreign players (non-U.S. players) won't get their expenses paid by their government if the U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship is not sanctioned by the WPA. The WPA holds a little clout with foreign governments, though here in the U.S., to an American, the WPA sanctioning doesn't have the same value. This is because the BCA does not treat the American players the way foreign pool organizations treat their players. Sad but true!

The WPA says it won't sanction the U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship if the ABP is claiming their right to sanction. The WPA doesn't want to be a co-sanctioning body. It's either all or nothing.

In this regard, Barry is fearful that some foreign super stars in pool may not compete in the Open if they are not sponsored by their governments.
 
JAM said:
In other words, the foreign players (non-U.S. players) won't get their expenses paid by their government if the U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship is not sanctioned by the WPA. The WPA holds a little clout with foreign governments, though here in the U.S., to an American, the WPA sanctioning doesn't have the same value. This is because the BCA does not treat the American players the way foreign pool organizations treat their players. Sad but true!

The WPA says it won't sanction the U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship if the ABP is claiming their right to sanction. The WPA doesn't want to be a co-sanctioning body. It's either all or nothing.

In this regard, Barry is fearful that some foreign super stars in pool may not compete in the Open if they are not sponsored by their governments.
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Just tidying up your post Jen.
Any country which is affilliated to the WPA (through theit national association) can apply locally to their country's Olympic funds. Even though pool is not an Ompic sport, this money is still available.
The best examples are the Netherlands where 4 players are paid a little above the Dutch national wage. The also pay a coach who (deservedly) earns a lot more than their wages. Qatar has an Olympic Committee
that funds the World 9 Ball. China weighs in with bonuses for their players who win overseas events.

So the incentive is there for them to travel to a US Open that is WPA Sanctioned..
 
Just curious: can anyone take a stab at what percentage of the US Open 9ball field could be labeled amateur/cannon fodder/non-pro?

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
Just curious: can anyone take a stab at what percentage of the US Open 9ball field could be labeled amateur/cannon fodder/non-pro?

Lou Figueroa
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Rough estimate Lou, about 15-20% of the field are amateur level players, who have virtually no chance of even cashing. They may be good amateur players locally, but in this level of competition they're at the bottom of the heap. Every year one or two of these guys find a way to make the money. So that gives hope to all the other "amateurs" who compete in the Open.

Pro9dg had it right, maybe 80-100 strong players are in the field, all with a good chance of cashing or going deep. Out of that group, maybe only 20-25 have a real chance to win though. That's the long and short of it. :wink:
 
JAM said:
In other words, the foreign players (non-U.S. players) won't get their expenses paid by their government if the U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship is not sanctioned by the WPA. The WPA holds a little clout with foreign governments, though here in the U.S., to an American, the WPA sanctioning doesn't have the same value. This is because the BCA does not treat the American players the way foreign pool organizations treat their players. Sad but true!

The WPA says it won't sanction the U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship if the ABP is claiming their right to sanction. The WPA doesn't want to be a co-sanctioning body. It's either all or nothing.

In this regard, Barry is fearful that some foreign super stars in pool may not compete in the Open if they are not sponsored by their governments.
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Thanks much. Now it is clear.
 
shanesinnott said:
Actually, this past decade would have been:
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A decade is a measurement of time, 10 years. It does not need to start on 1990 or 2000 or 2010. The time period between Jan 1 1986 and Dec 31st 1995 is a "decade".

When someone says the past decade they are saying "the last 10 years" not the "past ten years starting on 2010".
 
Celtic said:
A decade is a measurement of time, 10 years. It does not need to start on 1990 or 2000 or 2010. The time period between Jan 1 1986 and Dec 31st 1995 is a "decade".

When someone says the past decade they are saying "the last 10 years" not the "past ten years starting on 2010".
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Oh, good, nits to pick.

When someone says "in the last century", they don't mean October 1913 through September 2012, probably. They usually mean the 20th century, which depending on how you like to count starts on January 1st, 1900 or 1901.

I think the case is less clear for decades, and we don't do decades like "The Roaring 20s" lately, but I think if someone wanted to say in the last 10 years, they would say, "in the last 10 years."
 
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