It appears the person selling/producing fake Sugartrees is an AZ regular!

jimmyg said:
You actually refused to accept a return of a counterfeit cue that you sold to the person. Unbelievable.

PS: Your reason doesn't matter in the least.

J
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Even Wal-Mart gives you six months to return items. :-)

(just playing, although Wal-Mart does give six months I think).

Munching popcorn and enjoying the movie........and wondering how it is that one person ends up with so many counterfeit SugarTrees? With all the pool detectives on AZ scouring Ebay I don't know how this many cues could end up not being outed at the time they were put up for sale. Just seems to me that with SugarTree cues being so in-demand with plain ones going to for what $1500 and up-ish (guessing) that any time the word SugarTree is mentioned on the world wide web there would be dozens of alerts lighting up mailboxes all over the planet.

So it's uncanny that one guy had the misfortune to purchase so many of these sought-after cues in the full belief that they were genuine without any of the other SugarTree hunters in the mix. That's an incredible amount of bad luck for all involved.

Ok, I like interactive movies....
 
jimmyg said:
You actually refused to accept a return of a counterfeit cue that you sold to the person. Unbelievable.

PS: Your reason doesn't matter in the least.

J
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Actually, i did'nt refuse. I told him i would buy it back, but needed some time to do so, and he chose to pursue another avenue of recourse.

I guess you missed the 5 mos., and 3 changed hands later, huh? At what point should a buyer accept some responsibility? He bought, and sold it, just as i did, as did yet another person. Guess that means nothing to you.:rolleyes:
 
Sorry I didn't go count all the links and stuff, how many counterfeit SugarTree cues are we talking about here? 2, 3 or more?

Will this lead to another service of general cue authentication?

I remember when I was pursuing Ricky Lee from Singapore, who was selling counterfeit J.Flowers cases, we were looking at a Richard Black he posted and the consensus was that no one could tell based on the signature if it was genuine or not.
 
danutz said:
Actually, i did'nt refuse. I told him i would buy it back, but needed some time to do so, and he chose to pursue another avenue of recourse.

I guess you missed the 5 mos., and 3 changed hands later, huh? At what point should a buyer accept some responsibility? He bought, and sold it, just as i did, as did yet another person. Guess that means nothing to you.:rolleyes:
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I am always responsible for my own actions, what someone else does before or after me is of no consequence.

Someone either sell a counterfeit item with, or without, prior knowledge. If he knew beforehand, he is a fraud and therefore doesn't care. If he didn't know beforehand, he made a error, is ashamed, and corrects his mistake. Simple. Everything else is BS.

I don't know what happened here, I am only responding to your own statements.

J
 
I purchased the cue from you before I knew who you were. Believe me, I would never have purchased anything from you, had I known you were Charlese9911 on eBay. You may have noticed that I removed my review as well.

I never had any resentment towards you, and I still don't. I just think what you're doing is unethical and dishonest. I don't want anyone else to be taken.

I don't get it. If the cue you sold me was indeed one of your own, you're clearly a talented cue-builder. You did not have any reason to do all the other fishy stuff. I guess maybe you didn't want to take the time to build up your own reputation.

If I were you, I would just come clean, and apologize. After that, make sure you make right all that you've done wrong to people (the best way that you can). Then maybe those on here would forgive you. I know I would. People make mistakes. Just be a man about it.

danutz said:
Wow, thanks man. May i ask you why you bought one of my cues from me, told me you were happy with it, and gave me a good review of it, if you were harboring all this resentment towards me, the whole time? I must say, i'm a bit perplexed.

As far as the fake sugartrees go, i bought them, thinking they were real.
When i found out they were'nt, i took the fake sig off, and sold them, as an unknown, at a considerable loss. Was that not the right thing to do? I thought it was the stand up thing to do.........

There's only one of them out there (that i've owned at least) that still probably says sugartree on it. The one piece purpleheart one. If the guy had'nt waited 5+ mos. to ask for a refund, and got all threatening about it, i would've bought it back too.

So, because i have 1 issue with someone, that is'nt even you, you feel you're doing everyone a favor by dragging me thru the mud, right?
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are the points supposed to be different in lenghts?


...oh, and that table seems fake to me.
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Mr. Adkins (op), i request that you have this thread removed due to it's defamatory, and slanderous nature.

Secondly, you are in breach of our recent cue contract/deal. If you recall, i sold you a cue at a deeply discounted price, for a review of it, in lieu of full payment. 1 of the following 3 things will satisfy this breach.

1. Put the review back up, as it was. (preferred)
2. Send the remainder of payment.
3. Send the cue back. (monies already paid will be considered a non refundable deposit).

Thank you.
 
Ohplayer said:

Here is a thread regarding a Sugartree for sale where danutz asks the seller how the signature looks, and if he can get a picture of it. A fake Sugartree is sold by danutz later that month:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showt...orums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=273599
I can provide more info about this link since i am the buyer of this cue.
I purchased that cue back then. After the purchase i emailed Eric pictures of the cue and he confirmed that it was one of the first sneaky pete cues he made right after moving his shop to NM.
Have emails to back it up if anyone doubts my word.
But great thread.
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Maybe he is part of the "Lock Society" Sher-Lock Holmes...

It seems a little fishy but i understand where danutz is coming from if he is being honest. However it doesn't appear he is being honest. If you bought them under the assumption they were REAL, WHERE DID YOU BUY THEM FROM???

As far as this thread being taken down, here is some food for thought. The damage done, can not be undone. The only way out of this in my eyes (and probably most reading this) is for you to clear your name. This is a a lot of damning evidence, and it has links to every claim. I am hoping that danutz can clearly explain the discrepancies, and make all right. The last thing we need is for a talented cue builder to fold up shop because of something that is not his fault!!!


I'm rooting for you danutz, hope you can explain and prove your not a scumbag.

best,

Justin

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subscribing to this now.
 
in my humble opinion . . .

a good place for danutz to start would be to disclose in detail who he allegedly got the fake sugartree cues from. If there is such a person, you should want to publicly out him, right?

and also the bogus scruggs sneaky pete.

seems like a lot of bad cue-buying luck for one guy; and especially one who has much more than casual knowledge of cues.

at minimum, his actions strike me as very shady.

but I'll reserve final judgement until I see see where this goes.

best,
brian kc
 
Like others have said, explain the Scruggs cue (excuse me, the hack job that was made to resemble a house cue with a TS poorly put on)
 
This all seems very shady on the seller's part. Surely you would remember who you bought these cues from originally hmmmm? Ignorance is not an excuse since you clearly know a thing or two about cues and trying to suggest that they are something they aren't is very underhanded.
 
So what's going on here??? I have a slow day at work, lets hear it danutz. We've all said we want to here you explain in DETAIL what's going on with this???


thanks,

Justin

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