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Thanks Brian!

My son does a little hunting and I am forwarding him your entire message.

I knew about Lyme disease but did not know how to increase your chances of not getting it, except to stay out of the woods. I deer hunted for a lot of years, layed on the ground (it was comfortable), slept on the ground (when I was too tired to stay awake), climbed trees, sat on logs (after checking for snakes)even picked up enormous amounts of leaves and dirt off of the forest floor to rub on my clothing to cover my scent. I guess I was lucky in that area.

I will be sure and pass this on to my son. I'll say a little prayer for you and hope you will be seeing things clearly, soon.

You're a good guy to share this and I am sure it will help someone down the road and thanks again.

JoeyA
 
Brian,
First let me say thank you for sharing all the info on Lyme Disease!
Second let me say I hope everything goes well with your treatment. I can only imagine how bad eye shots are...OUCH!!

Most wouldn't bother to talk and educate about the disease like you have. Kiddos to you sir!!
Take Care!!!

Nancy
 
Jay...I too have been asthmatic all my adult life, and used to use albuterol inhalers frequently. 8 years ago I switched to Advair, and have not had to use the emergency inhalers ever since. You might investigate this option with an asthma specialist. Sure works well for me.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

I've been asthmatic all my adult life, with severe allergies to things like the secretions from cats. I can be sitting on a chair (or couch) where a cat was earlier and within minutes my breathing becomes labored. I must get outside quickly and often need to use an inhaler to get my breath back. I had a full fledged asthma attack in 1994 that very nearly killed me. I was minutes from death. :sorry:
 
Brian...You and I talked about this quite a bit when I came to your house. It's unbelievable that this disease can be so debilitating, and life-threatening, and that more is not known, nor anything done to try to eradicate it. You have my wishes and prayers that these injections will help. It's bad enough to have to suffer through the joint and muscle pain...but when it affects your vision too, well that's just terrible. Good luck my friend!

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
 
Brian,

Is it true that Lyme disease is primarily an East Coast problem?

I was told long ago that the Western Fence Lizard here on the West Coast that the ticks feed off of kill the disease in the ticks??

I could Google it, but Im too lazy :)

Good luck with your treatment.

Russ
 
Lyme disease

Studies have shown that Lyme disease is lower in areas where the lizards occur. When ticks carrying Lyme disease feed on these lizards' blood (which they commonly do, especially around their ears), a protein in their blood kills the bacterium that causes Lyme disease. The ticks' blood is therefore cleansed and no longer carries Lyme disease.[7]

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Lizards That Fight Lyme Disease

One of the most common lizards in California, the western fence lizard, helps to battle Lyme disease.

Hiking in the Sierras or strolling along a vacant lot, you will likely encounter one of these spiny, granite-colored lizards doing vigorous pushups. Males have iridescent blue throats and bellies and pushups flash the bright color to court females or defend their territories from encroaching males.

These showy lizards provide more benefits to humans than just entertainment. A protein in their blood kills the bacterium that causes Lyme disease.Western black-legged ticks (Ixodes scapularis) carry the bacterium, Borrelia burgdorferi, in their guts, which they can transfer to a human after biting and remaining attached for 24 to 48 hours. But a tick that sucks the blood of a fence lizard is cleansed of Borrelia, and its bite reduced to nothing more than a nuisance.

Western fence lizards (Sceloporus occidentalis), commonly known as "blue-bellies," occur in a wide variety of habitats throughout California except for extreme desert environments. They can be found from sea level up to 9,000 feet in areas of broken canopy with rocks, fallen logs, or other structures like old buildings and woodpiles
 
Lyme disease

Studies have shown that Lyme disease is lower in areas where the lizards occur. When ticks carrying Lyme disease feed on these lizards' blood (which they commonly do, especially around their ears), a protein in their blood kills the bacterium that causes Lyme disease. The ticks' blood is therefore cleansed and no longer carries Lyme disease.[7]

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Lizards That Fight Lyme Disease

One of the most common lizards in California, the western fence lizard, helps to battle Lyme disease.

Hiking in the Sierras or strolling along a vacant lot, you will likely encounter one of these spiny, granite-colored lizards doing vigorous pushups. Males have iridescent blue throats and bellies and pushups flash the bright color to court females or defend their territories from encroaching males.

These showy lizards provide more benefits to humans than just entertainment. A protein in their blood kills the bacterium that causes Lyme disease.Western black-legged ticks (Ixodes scapularis) carry the bacterium, Borrelia burgdorferi, in their guts, which they can transfer to a human after biting and remaining attached for 24 to 48 hours. But a tick that sucks the blood of a fence lizard is cleansed of Borrelia, and its bite reduced to nothing more than a nuisance.

Western fence lizards (Sceloporus occidentalis), commonly known as "blue-bellies," occur in a wide variety of habitats throughout California except for extreme desert environments. They can be found from sea level up to 9,000 feet in areas of broken canopy with rocks, fallen logs, or other structures like old buildings and woodpiles

Hi Russ;

I have heard of these lizards that cleanse the blood within the ticks, however, the question I would have is whether or not the very next time a 'cleansed' tick bites a deer that has the bacteria in its blood, if the tick is once again infected and, therefore, once again poses a threat.

A sincere thanks to everyone who wished me well, I truly appreciate it.

I'm not really concerned over having the procedure done as it is a fairly routine one according to my doc. She said some days she does as many as ten of these - typically, it's performed on elderly patients with a certain kind of macular degeneration.

But while I'm not particularly concerned about it, it's still pretty crazy tht you have to sit still and *watch* as the tip of a syringe is getting closer and closer to your freakin' eyeball. :eek:

you can actually see the med swirling into your eye. I swear...

anybody wanna hit some balls with me instead? :embarrassed2:

best,
brian kc
 
Brian-

Good luck with the procedure. And better luck afterwards in feeling and being better for it.

take care of yourself
 
It's unbelievable that this disease can be so debilitating, and life-threatening, and that more is not known, nor anything done to try to eradicate it.

Scott, plenty is known about Lyme, but little is being done about it. To get an idea of the extent of the cluster f*ck known as "Lyme research", read "Cure Unknown", by Pamela Weintraub. Pam is a professional science writer who lived in Westchester Co, NY. She and her entire family went through repeated attacks of Lyme while living there, getting and staying sick for years despite long-term treatments with mega doses of numerous antibiotics.

Pulling no punches, and using her professional contacts to gain access to info that is not being shared publicly, she went deep into the heart of the problem. It is a scary situation that keeps getting worse every year, with numerous players in the Lyme research medical community who have financial affiliations with drug and insurance companies, and personal career agendas that reek of conflict of interest.

Lyme is not just endemic to the Northeast. Huge areas of Minnesota and most of Wisconsin is just thick with Lyme, and the Sierra Nevadas in California and the Puget Sound area in Washington have it bad. The CDC has tracked over 400,000 cases since the first disease cluster appeared in Old Lyme almost forty years ago. By their own estimates, there may be 10-15 times that many that have gone undetected. That's 4-6 millions Lyme cases, most of them in the Northeast.

So, if the Northeast has about 50 million inhabitants, and 5 million have contracted Lyme, fully 10% of the population here may have contracted the disease, with 90% of these folks never getting treatment. Scary stuff.

Below is the latest CDC distribution map of known Lyme cases.


As a professional fishing guide, wilderness canoe tripper, and part-time chainsaw artist, I've spent a lot of time in places ticks love to go. I've suspected I had Lyme on at least three occasions, but the tests came back negative. Then last year I came down with a full blown case with all the classic symptoms.

Besides the bulls-eye rash, it attacked by nervous system, causing a severe atypical meningitis (fever of 105º) and damage to several cranial nerves. My face became completely paralyzed, by throat was almost paralyzed (making swallowing food a hazardous affair), damage was done to my hearing and my balance was completely disrupted. I actually walked in circles for weeks because of the severe vertigo. I completed several courses of doxycycline and other potent antibiotics, but 18 months later my neurologist can still detect gait disturbances and I almost fall over backward if I look directly up. At this point I assume the residual damage is permanent.

Thankfully, my eye doctor hasn't detected any eye damage due to Lyme, but recently the artificial lens that was put in after a severe eye injury has begun to slip. Because of that, I have double vision and bad blurriness in that eye. If the lens continues to slip, I will likely face blindness since my eye is already so compromised from injury they said they won't attempt another surgery.

Now I am wondering if the Lyme had something to do with this new problem. Any internal tissue degradation could cause the IOL to slip, so an autoimmune response inside the eye could be exacerbating this problem. I'm going to make an appointment to discuss this with my doctor ASAP. Maybe injections can halt this progression before it is too late and the lens slips irretrievable out of place.
 

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Best wishes Brian.

On a brighter note, I'm sure you could still beat me with your eyes closed.
 
I was an Animal Control Officer in MA and had to deal with deer hit by car and also troop through the woods to investigate other animals that were reported as rabid. At one point, I thought I was having a heart attack and was rushed to the hospital, where I stayed for 4 days.

As it turned out, I had Lyme Disease and had an interesting strain that was attacking my internal organs. This disease is crazy and can hit people in different ways. You generally hear about joint pain, but I had chest and gut pain, and as the OP said, he has eye issues. *edit* Forgot to mention, which I realized I should of put in after reading the other posts, I also had Bells Palsy, which is a complete paralyzation of one side of the face, which lasted for 4 weeks. Like I said, this disease is crazy, the test for it comes back with tons of negatives, and lots of people go completely untreated or mistreated.

Everyone, PLEASE be careful and take proper precautions any time you are out in a high grass/woodsy area. Strip down your clothes, change to shorts, and shake the worn clothes outside. Then give yourself a full inspection for anything that looks like a small black dot. These deer ticks are not anywhere near the size of a regular tick.

The department of agriculture is looking into ways to put up salt licks that have tick repellent in them, but keep in mind, deer are not the major carrying animal of deer ticks. Rodents carry more "deer" ticks than deer do, so salt licks are only a partial solution. I find that most solutions concentrate only on deer, which I find to be a weakness in solving the problem.

Regardless, be careful, inspect yourself if out in the woods, and don't leave anything in your yard that invites deer or rodents towards your house.
 
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Yeah I do a lot of hunting in maryland , as the season starts mid September Bow only the weather is still warm. Plus being in the woods earlier to start setting up game cams,corn, scout around etc. the area I live in has a ton of deer. We went in the woods and August and when walking out we stood in this guys driveway talking at the car. We happened to look down at our feet / legs and saw things moving. We were covered and by no exaggeration we had over 2-300 teeny tiny ticks on us. We freaked out! If you ever saw two men strip down to their boxers and drive home in them it was us that day. I had someone bring spray and a lighter we didn't know what to do. It was like an alien invasion.

After research I found out these were called seed ticks. They hang out in large numbers. It's ticks larve basically and can't bite you yet. All you do is take a good tape wrap it around your hand and start sticking them to it. Easy huh but if you didn't know this you will freak the F out lol

Good luck with your medical issues as ticks are horrible creatures . The perm spray for clothing works great and kills on contact , do not get it on or spray directly on the skin
 
I'm so sorry. I will pray that everything goes well with your treatment. Lyme disease terrifies me, it just sounds like one of the most difficult things to deal with.
:hug:
Loren
 
Yeah I do a lot of hunting in maryland , as the season starts mid September Bow only the weather is still warm. Plus being in the woods earlier to start setting up game cams,corn, scout around etc. the area I live in has a ton of deer. We went in the woods and August and when walking out we stood in this guys driveway talking at the car. We happened to look down at our feet / legs and saw things moving. We were covered and by no exaggeration we had over 2-300 teeny tiny ticks on us. We freaked out! If you ever saw two men strip down to their boxers and drive home in them it was us that day. I had someone bring spray and a lighter we didn't know what to do. It was like an alien invasion.

After research I found out these were called seed ticks. They hang out in large numbers. It's ticks larve basically and can't bite you yet. All you do is take a good tape wrap it around your hand and start sticking them to it. Easy huh but if you didn't know this you will freak the F out lol

Good luck with your medical issues as ticks are horrible creatures . The perm spray for clothing works great and kills on contact , do not get it on or spray directly on the skin

I'd be careful with this synopsis, 9BallKing. Those "seed ticks" (as you refer to them) are tick nymphs, and yes, they DO bite:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tick#Life_cycle_and_reproduction

There are certain species of ticks where the males do not feed on blood as much as the females (the females of virtually all blood-feeding insects and arachnids are the main culprits), but the males are still arachnids, and bite/feed nonetheless.

As can easily be seen in Sloppy Pocket's attached map above, it's the northeast U.S. that has, by far, the most occurrences of tick-borne diseases such as Lyme, Ehrlichiosis, Anaplasmosis, etc. And the unfortunate part of this is that most of these cases *are* transmitted by the tiniest of the ticks -- including nymphs -- because people just don't see them or catch them in time. (Large ticks, by comparison, you'll most likely see -- and feel crawling on your skin -- before they have a chance to attach and feed to engorgement. They feel like a "flappy" skin tag under your clothing.) Many times, those small ticks/nymphs will feed to engorgement, drop off, and you won't be the wiser that it happened, because even after engorgement, they are still smaller than the head of a pin.

While walking my dogs, I always try to stay away from brush, piles of leaves, etc., and I check myself thoroughly if I suspect I was in a tick-infested area. Sometimes, after playing with my dogs after a walk, I'll "feel" something crawling on my arm or the back of my leg, and sure enough, it's a large tick that was repelled by the Advantix treatment on my dogs, and is instead finding a place to attach on me. That's scary, because the smaller ticks and nymphs I won't feel. DEET is your best friend in these cases.

-Sean
 
A similar case but still different

Before I came up to the DC area from Georgia, I had went fishing at a friend's pond.

A couple of days later I discovered a slightly engorged tick on my hip. I pulled it off and sounded its death knell.

A few days later I had flu like symptoms but it wasn't fly season. I had to go the doctor anyway to discuss some of the medications I'm on anyway and thought I had better bring it to his attention.

He diagnosed me with Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever. The most deadly of the tick borne diseases.

Within a couple of more days, the fever really started spiking up to 104.8. I could feel the stiffening in my neck and figured it may have been the meningitis starting to take its hold. I felt absolutely miserable.

The antibiotics did their job and I recovered. What I am not aware of is if there are any residual effects such as there are associated with Lyme disease.

The good note is that I won't be be able to contract Spotted Fever again but now that I'm in MD, I'm sure that the possibility of contracting Lyme is there.

I know it is not the same as Lyme but it is none he less something to be aware of at all times.

To those of you have had to deal with tick borne diseases, I am with you and feel for you.
 
Well, despite a near mishap (the technician girl was just about to pretreat my eyeball with the exact same antibiotic drops that sent me to the ER in 2006 with hives, but lucky fo me, just as she was about to squeeze some in, I asked about it and she stopped and called a nurse in who checked into it and determined they were about to do some harm - wtf - I shoulda kept my mouth shut and I might have got a new car out of it. ha! Yeah, my luck I probably would have croaked.) Okay, this bracketed commentary is way too long, let me start the sentence over.

Well, despite the near mishap described above, I made it through the unpleasantness and today all I have is some soreness and some redeye. And, oh yeah, the beautiful memory.

The reason I ever got back into pool after an approx 20 year layoff was because of the ongoing effects Lyme disease had on me and I figured pool would help me to regain some of my hand-eye coordination and maybe even some spatial reasoning as I try to sort out patterns and defensive shots.

The vast majority of people I have known with chronic lyme disease have had less arthritic involvement and much more in the way of neurologic problems - central nervous system to be more precise. And this has been the case for me in addition to the autoimmunity.

I couldn't speak for months, I sat drooling like the village idiot. I couldn't go out in the daylight, I had to hang blankets over the windows to block out the light. I repeatedly became lost in my hometown. There were visual, auditory and ocilofactory halleucinations, cognitive impairment, encephalitis. For about two years straight, almost every single day I thought I was going to die. I had 5 spinal taps (anothe procedure that if it were a ride at Disney, I promise there'd be no wait to get on). :yikes:

I have been treated for the Lyme as an in-patient at three CT hospitals, Boston Medical Ctr, The Lahey Clinic, Texas A&M, Johns Hopkins, and the NIH in Bathesda, MD.

Suffice to say, this completely preventable illness can be a real game changer - or game ender. And it makes no difference at all how tough you are - this shit can bring you to your knees.

I had a good friend who was as tough as they come, a real man's man. He was a Connecticut lobsterman and when you gave him a smack on the back it was like you were hitting concrete. He contracted Lyme and was in so much physical pain he ended up shooting himself in the heart while leaving a note asking that his intact brain be used for research. RIP Kevin Smith!

Okay, that's more than enough gloom and doom.

Here is where I was gonna work in some responses to some of the comments in this thread but this post has gotten way too long and maybe even too NPR and etc., etc.

I may be a wee bit too passionate on this particular subject, as well.

Anywho, I'm worn out and may take another pass at this tomorrow.

Thank you all very much for your kind words and all. It was most appreciated, I assure you.

Oh, one last thing -

Tickborne diseases have been around for a v-e-r-y long time. One of my favorite quotes on the subject is just below. When did he write that? Did I read the dates correctly? :yes:

"Ill-favored ticks ...the foulest and nastiest creatures that be." - Pliny the Elder (23-79 A.D.)

On that note, keep safe and thanks for bearing with what I'm sure was a somewhat disjointed, maybe even approaching discombobulated post.

I'm pushing 'send' regardless. :sorry:

best,
brian kc
 
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Mr. Brian,

WOW, You just missed a scratch. That's why I'm very leary of the medical profession lately. Keep in mind they just 'practice' medecine.

I hope the treatment helps. I'll pray that it does.

Best Wishes,
 
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