What identifies a Titlist conversion
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Sounds more like a giant bra size...lol
Cheap knock off? I would think it would be harder to tell if it is an expensive knock off. :wink:
Anyway, you have one stamped with numbers? That sounds like the ones made in the late 60's early 70's. They were Brunswick cues made by Adam.
They were originally made by Brunswick, but then they later farmed them out to Schmelke and Adam. Whether or not you consider those "cheap knock-offs" is a matter of perspective I think. As far as I know the Schmelke blanks were quite good and although not nearly as collectible the Adam cues were quite good as well. I have seen conversions here that were actually made from later Schmelke blanks, not Brunswick, and nobody said anything derogatory about them. Many like the newer brighter veneers while some prefer the older stuff. (To be fair, sometimes the older veneers turn out pretty bright too, once they are turned down.)
I never saw an Adam one with a number like that though...I thought they were all just three digit numbers. So maybe yours is something else? The best is to post detailed pics.
Please post pics.
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Maybe not. Some Hoppes were made in Japan, by Helmstedter, after
production in the US halted.
They shipped bunches at a time, so the butts and shafts were marked
so they could be matched up by dealers. Or so I have been told.
Dale
Chopdoc said,
Not stamped, written in pencil on the shaft collar where its hidden in the butt collar when put together. I'll get some picks made tomorrow.
Not stamped, written in pencil on the shaft collar where its hidden in the butt collar when put together. I'll get some picks made tomorrow.
Interesting. As was said, the Adam made ones were stamped. This one has me curious.
I look forward to pics.
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I'm curious why you would think something written in pencil would imply
a knock off. Many cuemakers or owners would put identifying marks
on the face of shafts.
Does the cue look like a Titlist/Hoppe?
Dale
Personally, I think John Davis makes the best Titlist blanks ever made by anybody, and the best playing titlists too, but I've never seen one that tried to pass itself off as an original Brunswick blank. When they're converted, they're usually called "tributes" with pride, I guess because Brunswick doesn't rent/own him, and he's "borrowing" the classic design. John Davis blanks usually go for $350-$375 but can go higher...I've seen one for for $500, which is around what a decent original Titlist is.
The veneer colors and Brunswick name are what pretty much what defined what a Titlist is, and the prongs were lots of diffenent kinds of woods, ebony being the most rare and, therefore, desireable. The veneers are Magenta, Teal, Mahogony and Natural, from outside in, in varying degress of brightness. Most conversions are, or can be, brought up to original brightness. The knockoffs have a hard time matching the veneer colors without looking cheap. Here's a couple shots of a Judd/Davis ebony titlist tribute beauty with ivory joint, kangaroo wrap, and ivory Hoppe ring:
The veneer colors and Brunswick name are what pretty much what defined what a Titlist is, and the prongs were lots of diffenent kinds of woods, ebony being the most rare and, therefore, desireable. The veneers are Magenta, Teal, Mahogony and Natural, from outside in, in varying degress of brightness. Most conversions are, or can be, brought up to original brightness. The knockoffs have a hard time matching the veneer colors without looking cheap. Here's a couple shots of a Judd/Davis ebony titlist tribute beauty with ivory joint, kangaroo wrap, and ivory Hoppe ring:
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Ok I'm cue stupid but I'm learning. In this recent thread the cue is identified as not being a titlist.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=291743&highlight=titlist
Is it the uneven points, wood, veneer, finish, butt, and/or inlays? The comments imply that it should be obvious and that this is a common question.
I'll get pics of mine up when things slow down this week but I think I may get the same comments.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=291743&highlight=titlist
Is it the uneven points, wood, veneer, finish, butt, and/or inlays? The comments imply that it should be obvious and that this is a common question.
I'll get pics of mine up when things slow down this week but I think I may get the same comments.
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Well, actually, if the 93 is in centimeters, then the size is 36.6 DD.
Just about right!! :thumbup:
Gary
The veneers, without a doubt, are not Brunswick Titlist.
Thanks. Mine are Maple, Mahogany green purple but uneven points. One looks repaired or just bad work. I'll get pics tomorrow night.
BTW, Nice Aussie in your avatar. I miss mine.
Call me a stickler but, a 'conversion' uses a Titlist as a blank.
A 'tribute' uses a blank that looks like a Titlist, as in your pics.
I'm sure you are aware of this, but someone like the OP, trying to learn
new info, might get confused.
Dale(acting chief of the semantics police)
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For clairity, my comment was specifically about Titlist conversion/tribute
cues.
Two similar but distinct entities - the OP was asking about Titlist.
If someone makes a shiny new cue from a Titlist - that's a 'conversion'.
If he uses instead a blank that looks like a Titlist - that's a 'tribute'
Dale
