Banking with CTE/PRO ONE

There are no aim points on the rail in CTE PRO ONE-----PERIOD. Pj.
I welcome ANY bank champion to come by to verify or publicly debunk my comments.
I stand by my work in a huge way.
Stan Shuffett
 
Everything in this game is about visual perception, speed and throw. And 2 movements that put the cue at center cb. Just my opinion......
 
Pidge:
...is it reliable to bank using CTE/PRO ONE...?
Me:
Aim at a spot on the rail like you'd aim at a pocket. Should work just as well (if you choose the right spot).
Stan:
There are no aim points on the rail in CTE PRO ONE-----PERIOD. Pj.
OK Stan, no need to go ALL CAPS on me.

But if you want to hit an aim point on the rail with CTE/Pro One, it would obviously work as well as hitting a pocket.

CTE/Pro One does hit pockets, right?

pj
chgo
 
Pj, I did not go ALL CAPS on you. Right?

I do not look at rail aim points for banking.
The system connects me with the proper angle. I deal with speed and sometimes spin. I don't bother with determining angles. No need to. No need to pick out a point on the the rail......
Stan Shuffett
 
Pj, I did not go ALL CAPS on you. Right?
Only on the last word. I can live with it. :)

I do not look at rail aim points for banking.
The system connects me with the proper angle. I deal with speed and sometimes spin. I don't bother with determining angles. No need to. No need to pick out a point on the the rail......
If you say so.

pj
chgo
 
To answer the original OP:

Yes, Pro1 works great with banks. It is covered in the DVD, but as with most things it's up to you to work on the details and practice. Having a good understanding of the effects of speed, spin, and the relationship between the cue ball, object ball, and angle into the rail is helpful.

Personally, I worked on a solid reference speed/spin to shoot most of the normal banks with, and then from there worked with it some more to learn how to best adapt this consistent starting alignment for different speeds and spins. Most of that requires the same adjustments you would make if shooting banks purely by feel, and you can't get away from that - unless Stan has some new secrets... :) So if I'm aligning at A to hit a standard cross side bank, and I need to hit with low outside for position, then I need to learn how to alter my initial "reference" alignment and spin to compensate for that.

Scott
 
So, is it only me that can make the same shot (same angle) using different visuals for different stroke speeds? I don't say that i have good knowledge of your system. Just some basic cte knowledge.

Thanks
 
I don't use one angle for all shots. I use 2 body alignments and 4 ways to bring my cue at center cb for each alignment. 2 x 4 = 8. And this is for center ball hits. If i have to use sidespin i have 4 body alignments and 4 ways (again) to bring my cue to cb with sidespin. 4 x 4 = 16. With all these i can cover all possible angles depending on the speed of my stroke. Maybe this is what works for me. But it is very accurate....
 
Ps611846,
I'd like to how that gets you on the shot line.
I am happy you have something you are confident with.
Stan Shuffett
 
Hi all,
I woke up this morning and logged in and I could not belive it.
Stan is releasing a CTE/PRO ONE dvd version 2.
Stan would have to be one of the most sought after instructors regarding CTE.
You guys don't know how lucky you are living in the USA with such knowledge around you with the price of a local plane ticket.

Stan any chance that visuals and moving in to cue ball can be done from the players prospective.
Put me down for one!
I'm excited.;)
 
336Robin,
From your post it is clear that you do not understand CTE PRO ONE.
There is absolutely NO need to look at a cushion. And there is so much more.
Stan Shuffett

I 1000% concur. Furthermore you are too modest so I will brag for you. Stan has snapped off at least one decent bank pool event. And he is from Kentucky where they would rather play bumps even than get the five in nine ball.

www.jbcases.com
 
Hi all,
I woke up this morning and logged in and I could not belive it.
Stan is releasing a CTE/PRO ONE dvd version 2.
Stan would have to be one of the most sought after instructors regarding CTE.
You guys don't know how lucky you are living in the USA with such knowledge around you with the price of a local plane ticket.

Stan any chance that visuals and moving in to cue ball can be done from the players prospective.
Put me down for one!
I'm excited.;)

This is what I have always wanted from these Aiming System DVDs is a Point of View from a shooters prospective. I own the first DVD and hope to own the second one too but if this can be added I will def buy it.
 
So the question is really, is it reliable to bank using CTE/PRO ONE using (this is a very general way of putting it) a 2:1 diamond line of aim for soft banks and 3:1 line of aim for firm banks using the above system depending on the type of cut?

OK, lets just take ONE simple shot that you could cut with some ease in the side pocket. Here is the shot setup. Place the object ball 1/2 diamond up table from the side pocket, one diamond away from the cushion. Now place the Cue ball on the same line, 1/2 diamond up table from the pocket and 3 diamonds from the cushion. This puts the CB 2 diamonds away from the OB, set up so that if you hit center to center, the OB would come back straight into the CB.

Now, using ProOne, this is a B/CTE Inside Pivot. That puts the OB in in the center of the side pocket that it is nearest. Same visual, B/CTE but use an outside pivot and it goes cross side, center of the pocket.

Of course, as has been mentioned, if you need to, for position purposes, use inside or outside spin on the CB, then it's going to change the path of the OB and those things, you'll just have to practice. Nobody can tell you exactly how much to allow, because everyones cue hits differently, your tip may induce more or less spin than mine, your "stroke speed" may be different than mine, etc. and on top of that, every table plays differently, but set this shot up and try it, hitting center cue ball, medium speed (I hate that term... Medium... what the heck is "medium". I really like numbers and I use numbers to guage speed, but regardless of terminology, just don't knock the devil out of it)... it just goes in, not having to reference spots on the rail. I don't care about the rail. It's just something that gets in the way of the bank I'm about to make and unless I'm "turning a ball" into a pocket, I don't pay any attention to the rail. Whole different subject, there, so we'll steer clear of that for now.

Just get on the table, if you have a good understanding of Pro One, then you will, after hitting a few balls, be able to see how the same initial alignment will offer 2 different shots. On some shots you can align CTE to the OTHER edge and in many cases, that gives you two more shots, then edge to a or c and inside and outside pivots and that gives you more shots, then 1/8 to 1/8 and inside and outside pivots and that gives you even MORE shots... all from one CB/OB position. Now, there are NOT going to be 8 to 16 shot possibilities from every position on the table, but will (impeding balls aside) be at least two options and sometimes 4 or MORE.

Play with it... let ProOne teach YOU what it can do... you may be surprised. There is one shot that I have learned to love... an easy little 15 degree cut in the corner that, by changing pivots and or edges, can go straight in the corner, cross corner, cross side, 3 in the side, 3 in the corner or 1 in the long corner. 6 shot possibilities from one cue ball/object ball position. Not all high percentage shots, but playing with those lines and knowing where that OB is going to go by changing those perspectives, makes either shot making or SAFETY PLAY options almost endless, all using ProOne.

Bob
 
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I 1000% concur. Furthermore you are too modest so I will brag for you. Stan has snapped off at least one decent bank pool event. And he is from Kentucky where they would rather play bumps even than get the five in nine ball.

www.jbcases.com

JB,
I note where Stan lives, what he said and am paying attention to the fact that there might be something I can learn. I have no disparaging remarks to make concerning cte or Stans product. Im happy people are interested in pool. I think pool is something worth doing and I wish more people played. Since I dont hit every bank I attempt Im still in the learning stage and its fun for me. Stan is in Kentucky but you do get to North Carolina....if youre ever through Winston Salem lets play some.

Just another lovely day in paradise.....

336Robin :thumbup:
 
I am very proud of the fact that there has only been one update to DVD # 1; the addition of C for left cuts and A for right cuts.

I am using the same film/editing crew for my new work and there are obvious advantages in that decision.

Yes, the players perspective will be well-covered, particularly during any system instruction.

The system info in DVD # 2 is important but that alone would never have been enough to prompt me to do a second DVD.

It is my new info that really compelled me to launch into another very costly project.
Even if you are an expert on CTE PRO ONE, I think you will be very pleased with my new material concerning CTE.

Stan Shuffett
 
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