Mosconi Cup 2012 Day (4) Discussion

If I were Europe I might send Van Den Berg out first because I know he's looking for redemption against Johnny and that's who I would figure would go out first. Then I'd send Niels out second. I'd either send Daz out 3rd to probably win the Cup if the first 2 matches are split, or put Europe on the hill if the US wins the first 2. Nick the greek 4th and Melling in the 5th spot.

Reading these names makes me feel like the US team is toast, the way they've been playing.

Maniac (still hoping for a near miracle!!!)
 
Reading these names makes me feel like the US team is toast, the way they've been playing.

Maniac (still hoping for a near miracle!!!)


I have to admit I feel the same way.....

I don't know if I would leave the big guns in the closet when Europe is looking to win the first two in a row...and be home in time for dinner..
 
Spot on sir!
go away again.
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Singles Matches TODAY • Play in the moment!

Put on your dancing shoes.

USA must take a stand today and find a way to win.

It will be up to each inidividual member of the USA Mosconi Cup Team to find it within himself to get the job done and it will be done by only one ball at a time.

GO USA!
 
If the US doesn't send out Johnny first and Shane second then they are clueless.

Anytime a team is way down entering the final day, you have to topload the lineup, much like Europe did in the Ryder Cup. If you can win the first couple of matches then it sends a message to the rest of the team that there is still a chance.

If they put some of the struggling players first then Shane and Johnny might not even get to shoot and the cup will be over.

If I were Europe I might send Van Den Berg out first because I know he's looking for redemption against Johnny and that's who I would figure would go out first. Then I'd send Niels out second. I'd either send Daz out 3rd to probably win the Cup if the first 2 matches are split, or put Europe on the hill if the US wins the first 2. Nick the greek 4th and Melling in the 5th spot.

I like the way you think about the line-ups.
 
hope we go 4-1 tomorow and throw SVB again to win it!!!

Shane lost pretty badly in his matches. He may not be the best pick...

Archer has been the only consistently strong player. I think if they picked anyone, it would be him. SVB and Dechaine have not been playing well, Dechiane has missed several shots that cost them the sets and points.
 
Well. It's all on now.

I heard somewhere that there has been a tie in past Mosconi cups. Mathematically it could end 10-10. What happens then??? How are the players paid?? Do they play a sudden death?
Gonna be exciting for sure!!

1pm central time

Option 1

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Option 2 - TBD

Option 3 - TBD

Sessions



Monday December 10 – 7.00pm



Match 1 Team match (all 5 to play)
Match 2 Doubles match
Match 3 Singles match
Match 4 Doubles match
(All players to have played once in matches 2 - 4)
Match 5 Singles match (Cannot be the same player as Match 3)



Tuesday December 11 – 7.00pm

Match 6 Doubles match
Match 7 Singles match (Cannot be the same player as Match 3 and 5)
Match 8 Doubles match
(All players to have played once in matches 6 - 8)
Match 9 Singles match (Cannot be the same player as Matches 3, 5 and 7)
Match 10 Doubles match



Wednesday December 12 – 7.00pm

Match 11 Doubles match
(All players to have played once in match 9 - 11)
Match 12 Singles match (Must be the player who did not play in Matches 3, 5, 7 & 9)
Match 13 Doubles match
Match 14 Singles match
Match 15 Singles match
(All players to have played once in matches 12 – 15)



Thursday December 13 – 7.00pm

Match 16 Singles match
Match 17 Singles match
Match 18 Singles match
Match 19 Single match
Match 20 Singles match
(All players to have played once in matches 16 – 20)
Match 21 Singles match (Captain's pick)

Please note, the Captain may not use the same pair twice. There are seven doubles matches and a possible 10 pairings.

There is a 30 second shot clock in operation at all times.



Format

Each match is a race to five racks with alternate breaks. All scotch doubles matches involve alternate shots rather than alternate visits.



Shot Clock Rules

Under the shot clock rules, each player will have up to 30 seconds to complete each shot.

A dedicated tournament official will operate the clock and an audible five-second count down will commence once the player has reached 25 seconds. The clock will start when the last moving ball on the table comes to rest.

Failure to play a shot in the allocated time will result in loss of visit and ball in hand to the incoming player.

In the singles matches, each player is allowed one 30 second extension per rack. This can be called at anytime within the initial 30 seconds.




The Break Rules

The following conditions on the break shot apply in all matches at the Mosconi Cup:

1. The balls will be racked higher up the table with the 9 ball resting on the spot.

2. The cue ball must be struck from within a break box in the centre of the table (exact dimensions to be determined).

3. On completion of the break shot, three balls must pass the headstring. This does not include the cue ball. Pocketed balls count, therefore if a breaking player made one ball on the break, only two would be required to pass the headstring. Balls are not required to come to rest past the headstring so a ball that strikes the rail and returns across the head string back down table would be a legal ball.

4. The rack will be lightly tapped in as per WPA guidelines.



Sanctioning

The Mosconi Cup is sanctioned by the World Pool Association, the world governing body for pool which administers the game at many levels across the globe. Membership of the WPA is made up of its continental members and individual national associations are in turn members of their continental associations.



Official Equipment

Balls – Super Aramith TV, Saluc, Belgium
Table – Diamond Billard Products
Cloth – Simonis 860, Simonis, Belgium
Cues & Chalk – Predator Cues, USA
 
This lineup has me scratching my heads... I agree with Vette. Top-loading to get momentum, mojo, and subdue the crowd seems like the obvious strategy.

I hope CJ posts a lot when this is over and shares. And perhaps is open to Q & A.

GO USA! Remember Brookline!
 
Sorry fellas I should've said that the line up is my prediction not CJ's choices. Yeah should've posted that in my original post. :lol:
 
No matter what we need 5 wins today to win the cup. And no matter how you stack the lineup it's close to an impossible task.
 
I think CJ wants to make sure the inexperienced players get experience for next year and the year after!!!!

CJ has the long-term view in mind.
 
Sorry fellas I should've said that the line up is my prediction not CJ's choices. Yeah should've posted that in my original post. :lol:

I am sooo close to giving you red JJ! ;) See whatcha started? lol

KK9 <-- breathing a sigh of relief and will not be voting for JJ to be our selection dude next year!
 
If the US ever wants to win the Mosconi Cup again, we should send our best players- not necessarily determined by points either. I feel like a line up consisting of Earl, Corey Deuel, and Rodney Morris would stand a better chance. Not guaranteed to win, but these guys have experience and are still very talented-join these guys with SVB and Archer and Europe would have something to worry about
 
If the US ever wants to win the Mosconi Cup again, we should send our best players- not necessarily determined by points either. I feel like a line up consisting of Earl, Corey Deuel, and Rodney Morris would stand a better chance. Not guaranteed to win, but these guys have experience and are still very talented-join these guys with SVB and Archer and Europe would have something to worry about

If we did things by how we feel everything would be screwed up.

The guys are there because they worked hard by attending and doing well in points events. By showing exemplary sportsmanship, doing the right thing and by being exciting to watch. All of those things create fans and will get you on the MC.

Go USA!!

Ray
 
2 great safeties........

2 great safeties from Brandon. Both times Europe made the ball and ran out. It's a brutal game.

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If the US doesn't send out Johnny first and Shane second then they are clueless.

Anytime a team is way down entering the final day, you have to topload the lineup, much like Europe did in the Ryder Cup. If you can win the first couple of matches then it sends a message to the rest of the team that there is still a chance.

If they put some of the struggling players first then Shane and Johnny might not even get to shoot and the cup will be over.

If I were Europe I might send Van Den Berg out first because I know he's looking for redemption against Johnny and that's who I would figure would go out first. Then I'd send Niels out second. I'd either send Daz out 3rd to probably win the Cup if the first 2 matches are split, or put Europe on the hill if the US wins the first 2. Nick the greek 4th and Melling in the 5th spot.
I think you are right on the money. The US team can't start out with the lower end of their line up. If they can catch up then the winning momentum will help the players who are left. Put Shane and Johnny up and see what happens and if they can't win then it's over. You can't take a chance on losing with your best players sitting on the bench. The US team has their backs against the wall and they have to come our swinging to have a chance. If the US can even the score it will send a message to Europe and maybe weaken them a little.

Europe played well yesterday, but they had some good luck after the break with the table lay outs. The US would break and make a ball and not have a shot and Europe would break and have a nice lay out. In a short race to 5 even one break with a shot is such an advantage when the other team doesn't get the same chance. The US Team has a big hill to climb to win this match, but they can do it!!!!!

James
 
Yeah that kick on the one ball was just plain brutal. That and he sank the next shot aswell....
 
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