Important One Pocket Rule Dispute

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ChrisBanks

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I have again found myself in a game of one pocket, and again the game was the subject of controversy.

I am leading 7-4. My opponent has just scratched. The ball I wish to hit is approximately 5% past the headstring, and 95% behind it. Just a sliver of the ball is over the line.

I suggest that I be able to shoot this ball because we had not established any rules regarding it before the game started. After lobbying with a few others, I am not allowed to shoot the ball. I even offer to flip for it, but no deal.

And would you believe, my opponent INTENTIONALLY spotted the 9-ball, because he thought it would give me the most difficulty (of course I made it).

So, do you think my case has any merit?
 
No. The 2 standard rules are either 1/2 the ball must be past OR the entire ball must be past. I have never heard of anyone playing that if ANY of the ball is past it counts.
 
Ball touching line

Well the rule is that if its touching the line its behind the line! Bar none and i have played ra and grady and jj one pocket in my lifetime and i can tell u thats "the" rule! Sincerly.......sparky
 
mark8950 said:
Well the rule is that if its touching the line its behind the line! Bar none and i have played ra and grady and jj one pocket in my lifetime and i can tell u thats "the" rule! Sincerly.......sparky
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Many people play that if 1/2 or more is over than you can shoot it.
 
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I've always heard and used the base of the ball. That would insure that at least half is past
 
I've never heard of a case where the situation you described would result in the ball being playable. Anyone have a copy of the world standardized rules handy?
 
Here's the WPA rule:

http://www.wpa-pool.com/web/the_rules_of_play#6.11

6.11 Bad Play from Behind the Head String
When the cue ball is in hand behind the head string, and the first ball the cue ball contacts is also behind the head string, the shot is a foul unless the cue ball crosses the head string before that contact. If such a shot is intentional, it is unsportsmanlike conduct.
The cue ball must either cross the head string or contact a ball in front of or on the head string or the shot is a foul, and the cue ball is in hand for the following player according to the rules of the specific game.
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I've always heard the base of the ball, but this rule isn't clear about that. Maybe it's somewhere else in the WPA rules, but I didn't find it.

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Here's the WPA rule:


I've always heard the base of the ball, but this rule isn't clear about that. Maybe it's somewhere else in the WPA rules, but I didn't find it.

pj
chgo
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According to the WPA:
8.13 Position of Balls
The position of a ball is determined by the projection of its center vertically downward onto the playing surface. A ball is said to be placed on a line or spot when its center is placed directly over that line or spot.
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(But note that the WPA does not promulgate rules for one-pocket.)
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Here's the WPA rule:


I've always heard the base of the ball, but this rule isn't clear about that. Maybe it's somewhere else in the WPA rules, but I didn't find it.

pj
chgo
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Rule 8.13 defines the position of a ball:
8.13 Position of Balls
The position of a ball is determined by the projection of its center vertically downward onto the playing surface. A ball is said to be placed on a line or spot when its center is placed directly over that line or spot.
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... I see I was just a little tardy.

While the WPA does not directly govern one pocket, the best one pocket rules available are on onepocket.org and they refer to the WPA rules for items not covered. See http://www.onepocket.org/one_pocket_pool_rules.htm I think they do not specify anything separate from the WSR for in/out of the kitchen.
 
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The base of the ball is and always has been the line of the ball.

When you spot the ace in a rack, what part of the ball has to be on the spot? 5%? No, the center.

If you play any game where you spot a ball, you ALWAYS spot it on center, not on the edge of the ball.

Sorry OP, you were wrong and every pool player in every hall will tell you so.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Rule 8.13 defines the position of a ball:
8.13 Position of Balls
The position of a ball is determined by the projection of its center vertically downward onto the playing surface. A ball is said to be placed on a line or spot when its center is placed directly over that line or spot.
​
... I see I was just a little tardy.

While the WPA does not directly govern one pocket, the best one pocket rules available are on onepocket.org and they refer to the WPA rules for items not covered. See http://www.onepocket.org/one_pocket_pool_rules.htm I think they do not specify anything separate from the WSR for in/out of the kitchen.
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Truthfully I know that I had the short end of this argument, but it adds some excitement to the game if the rules are challenged once in a while.
 
I and everyone else agree the base of the ball or whole ball must be outside the line. Sounds to me like you were in a jam and looking for a chessey way to get out of it,offering even to flip after everyone that ya'll ask said base or whole ball. Also if I wanted to spot a ball I thought that I thought would be hard to make for a spot shot, it would be the 8 ball.--Smitty
 
ChrisBanks said:
I have again found myself in a game of one pocket, and again the game was the subject of controversy.

I am leading 7-4. My opponent has just scratched. The ball I wish to hit is approximately 5% past the headstring, and 95% behind it. Just a sliver of the ball is over the line.

I suggest that I be able to shoot this ball because we had not established any rules regarding it before the game started. After lobbying with a few others, I am not allowed to shoot the ball. I even offer to flip for it, but no deal.

And would you believe, my opponent INTENTIONALLY spotted the 9-ball, because he thought it would give me the most difficulty (of course I made it).

So, do you think my case has any merit?
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Experienced 1pocket player, when playing for actual money, will usually discuss/negotiate *at least* three things before the first ball is hit:

How will sleepers be handled? You snooze you lose or will they be put up when they are noticed, after each player has had an inning?

Are we playing" three consecutive fouls" is loss of game?

And, are we playing "base of the ball" or the whole ball?

The reason is every room has slightly different rules and even if two guys are from the same room, a discussion of these and other factors (like are we paying after each game or putting them on the wire) helps things go smoothly. Don't clarify these issues beforehand at your own peril.

Lou Figueroa
 
ChrisBanks said:
Truthfully I know that I had the short end of this argument, but it adds some excitement to the game if the rules are challenged once in a while.
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Some rules sure, but placement of the balls, not so much.

Do you count a ball as in the pocket is a bit of it is hanging over the edge of the hole?

I wish they would start enforcing the random racking rules (no pattern racks) and cue size/weight rules. "Nice safety man, let me get my 4oz 12" fiberglass cue with the molten lava tip so I can jump over that ball 1 inch in front of me". Bleh...
 
Bob Jewett said:
Rule 8.13 defines the position of a ball:
8.13 Position of Balls
The position of a ball is determined by the projection of its center vertically downward onto the playing surface. A ball is said to be placed on a line or spot when its center is placed directly over that line or spot.
​
... I see I was just a little tardy.

While the WPA does not directly govern one pocket, the best one pocket rules available are on onepocket.org and they refer to the WPA rules for items not covered. See http://www.onepocket.org/one_pocket_pool_rules.htm I think they do not specify anything separate from the WSR for in/out of the kitchen.
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Just to add a point: the object ball base can placed on the 'Head String' but the cue ball base must be placed behind the 'Head String'.

6.10 Bad Cue Ball Placement
When the cue ball is in hand and restricted to the area behind the head string, it is a foul to play the cue ball from on or below the head string. If the shooter is uncertain whether the cue ball has been placed behind the head string, he may ask the referee for a determination.

So if an object ball base is on the head string and the cue ball base is slightly behind the head string, you could cut the object ball back to a head corner pocket. Not so useful for One Pocket but yes for 14.1 and other games where the cue ball is placed behind the head string.
 
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